week 13 pre-gm NFL

[2daBank]

ten+6.5 ive been riding the VY bandwagon from the jump and i cant see any reason to get off of it now. ten been doing much better not giving up the huge plays against the pass that were killing them early in the year. i think they make payton work for his points try and grind out 1st downs on offense running the clock and giving them a chance at the end. also leaning under 46 in this 1

kc+5.5 throw out last weeks gm against a steamrolling sd team and kc has been playing decent fb nothing real impressive but lets face it den isnt worldbeaters themselves. kc is always a tough spot to play and although den could easily win this gm i like my chances of kc keeping it close

pats-4 there been some strange line movement in this gm not really sure what its all about i just dont see how a mia team that clearly misses ronnie brown keeps up with a pats team coming off that mon nite disaster. i look for ne to be pissed off and take it to mia. mia secondary is trash and i really cant see why brady and co. dont put up points. i be the 1st to say i like henne have from the start but his wrs are not getting it done and i look for pats d to bounce back a little and cause this group some problems

sf-1 little rlm going against me in this 1 as well. i know sea plays better at home but they also play great against really bad teams not so good against teams that are on or above there level. i really like the 49ers in this spot to get back to .500 and set up a big matchup with arz next week. singletary always has this team playing hard(minus a half or 2) there d is certainly good enough to limit sea and there sorry offense. frisco offense has been clicking at times with smith behind center and crabtree showing why he wanted more money then heyward-bey throw in that beast at te and i just think frisco is the better team

also leaning
sd-13.5
was+9.5
dal-2.5
pit/oak und37
ten/indy und 46

as always looking forward to every1s thoughts on these gms. if you think im wrong about any of these by all means talk me out of it just dont come in here with bs picks w/o any thought or logic behind why as im just looking for other ppls insights on these gms not to intrested in "locks"

[tKL]

some of those picks are pretty similar to mine. for my card im playing

TEN +7 (i agree that VY is on fire. Titans are also hungry for this game and colts are just cruising. I think they will be in for a surprise of their first loss of the season)
SD -13 (SD is on fire. I've always liked SD when the season is coming to an end but i never depend on them once playoffs start rolling around)
SF +1 (just like the titans, they're extremely hungry for this game and a spot in the playoffs)
HOU/JAG under 46 1/2 (i really think houston is going to do much of the scoring and the jags play will be a repeat of how badly they got smashed by SF last week)

good luck to you

[2daBank]

gl tKL i wouldnt count sd out in the playoffs to early this year if i was you though. sd could very well be the most balanced contender the afc has this year and since there bye week there d has been playin like there back on the juice. not to mention the last few years with a beat up team they have shown me alot in the playoffs proving they can go just about anywhere and compete if not win

[FadeCommonSense]

I go with Peyton until he proves me otherwise. As for the others, I am along similar bets as you.

[2daBank]

i understand riding with peyton but there last 5 gms i believe they have won by a combined 18 points and although i think ten has a great shot at the win here +6.5 is more than enough imo

[2daBank]

sd-13.5 really dont like laying this kind of road chalk but sd is on a tear and cle is cle after all. really cant find many points for cle in this 1 sd defense has been playing great since the bye and there offense just has to many weapons. i look for lots of cle mistakes and sd cruising to a 2 plus td victory. grabbing it now as i dont want it to get to 14

[2daBank]

wash+9.5 im sure this will not be a popular pick and really cant blame any1 for sticking with the saints in this 1. this seems to be a classic letdown spot for n.o. to me coming off the big emotional mon night win now they have a short week playing in the cold in wash. wash has issues no doubt but they have been playing decent fb as of late and for some reason i think this gm may be a little closer than expected. hell the more i talk about this 1 the more i am not convinced som1 please talk me out of this 1

[Jerbowski]

sd-13.5 really dont like laying this kind of road chalk but sd is on a tear and cle is cle after all. really cant find many points for cle in this 1 sd defense has been playing great since the bye and there offense just has to many weapons. i look for lots of cle mistakes and sd cruising to a 2 plus td victory. grabbing it now as i dont want it to get to 14

Cleveland screwed me last week on my card. I took Cinci to cover and they didnt. I guess I dunno who Im more pissed at....Cleveland or Cinci. Anyways, I didnt really want to go against them 2 weeks in a row as huge dogs but I also think that SD is a way better offense than Cinci. Im going with SD as well to cover.

[Jerbowski]

wash+9.5 im sure this will not be a popular pick and really cant blame any1 for sticking with the saints in this 1. this seems to be a classic letdown spot for n.o. to me coming off the big emotional mon night win now they have a short week playing in the cold in wash. wash has issues no doubt but they have been playing decent fb as of late and for some reason i think this gm may be a little closer than expected. hell the more i talk about this 1 the more i am not convinced som1 please talk me out of this 1

I hate you. I have been losing sleep over this play. Now, reading your post, makes me want to take Was more. Ill make you a deal- we both stay away from this mess.

[Jerbowski]

ten+6.5 ive been riding the VY bandwagon from the jump and i cant see any reason to get off of it now. ten been doing much better not giving up the huge plays against the pass that were killing them early in the year. i think they make payton work for his points try and grind out 1st downs on offense running the clock and giving them a chance at the end. also leaning under 46 in this 1

kc+5.5 throw out last weeks gm against a steamrolling sd team and kc has been playing decent fb nothing real impressive but lets face it den isnt worldbeaters themselves. kc is always a tough spot to play and although den could easily win this gm i like my chances of kc keeping it close

pats-4 there been some strange line movement in this gm not really sure what its all about i just dont see how a mia team that clearly misses ronnie brown keeps up with a pats team coming off that mon nite disaster. i look for ne to be pissed off and take it to mia. mia secondary is trash and i really cant see why brady and co. dont put up points. i be the 1st to say i like henne have from the start but his wrs are not getting it done and i look for pats d to bounce back a little and cause this group some problems

sf-1 little rlm going against me in this 1 as well. i know sea plays better at home but they also play great against really bad teams not so good against teams that are on or above there level. i really like the 49ers in this spot to get back to .500 and set up a big matchup with arz next week. singletary always has this team playing hard(minus a half or 2) there d is certainly good enough to limit sea and there sorry offense. frisco offense has been clicking at times with smith behind center and crabtree showing why he wanted more money then heyward-bey throw in that beast at te and i just think frisco is the better team

also leaning
sd-13.5
was+9.5
dal-2.5
pit/oak und37
ten/indy und 46

as always looking forward to every1s thoughts on these gms. if you think im wrong about any of these by all means talk me out of it just dont come in here with bs picks w/o any thought or logic behind why as im just looking for other ppls insights on these gms not to intrested in "locks"

As a Dolphins fan I am not going near this one. HOWEVER, NE is 1-4 on the road this year.......Miami lost a bitch of a game against Buffalo. The Dolphins, if they have ANY hope of making the post season, need this win vs a division rival. I know that the matchup has NE written all over it, but, reading between the lines, I almost want to take my boys.......

[2daBank]

i think that is a deal i can live with jerbowski..mabey
i didnt touch cincy last week as they just dont score enough to lay that much to any1 and like i said im never really a fan of laying this many points did with sd at home last week and just hoping they can keep the money train rolling on the road against this shit cle team

[Jerbowski]

BTW, you will notice in the above post that I said ALMOST want to take my boys.........

[2daBank]

i understand pats havnt really won any road gms if you throw out tampa in london(which i dont really count) problem is my friend w/o ronnie brown as much as i like this mia team and there coach they are not a playoff team. brown means so much to this offense he just does things williams can not do. dont get me wrong williams does a good job but he just isnt a single back carry the load kind of guy. really high on the future of your franchise though so hang in there and get some damn wrs!!

[2daBank]

4 gms VY has started for ten against the colts have been decided by a combined 14 points and ten is 4-0 ats. not a big trend guy but thats pretty impressive especially when you consider c.johnson was still in college

[Jerbowski]

i understand pats havnt really won any road gms if you throw out tampa in london(which i dont really count) problem is my friend w/o ronnie brown as much as i like this mia team and there coach they are not a playoff team. brown means so much to this offense he just does things williams can not do. dont get me wrong williams does a good job but he just isnt a single back carry the load kind of guy. really high on the future of your franchise though so hang in there and get some damn wrs!!

.....yeah I know.......the truth hurts.......

[2daBank]

could be worse...you could live in stl. at least your team has hope which is more than you can say for the rams, browns, oak and a few other terribly run franchises

[2daBank]

dal-2 i have a few issues of my own on this 1 as well but after watching plenty of nyg football this year i just cant find any reason to ride with them on this 1 except romo sucks in dec. honestly the romo factor and the fact i dont like dal coaching staff are only thing holding me back. nyg has clearly lost there identity they no longer control either line of scrimmage and have become increasingly reliant on eli to throw the ball not even sure eli should be playing from what ive heard he is risking futher injury the more he plays on the bum foot. dal schedule is brutal the rest of this year and as much nyg must win talk as ive heard i believe there season is done and if dal wants any shot they better win this gm. i look for dal defense to rise to the occasion and get after eli (dont really have to worry about a run gm) long as romo can play relativly mistake free fb(asking alot i know) i see dal going into ny playing the more punishing brand of football and come out with a win

[Jerbowski]

dal-2 i have a few issues of my own on this 1 as well but after watching plenty of nyg football this year i just cant find any reason to ride with them on this 1 except romo sucks in dec. honestly the romo factor and the fact i dont like dal coaching staff are only thing holding me back. nyg has clearly lost there identity they no longer control either line of scrimmage and have become increasingly reliant on eli to throw the ball not even sure eli should be playing from what ive heard he is risking futher injury the more he plays on the bum foot. dal schedule is brutal the rest of this year and as much nyg must win talk as ive heard i believe there season is done and if dal wants any shot they better win this gm. i look for dal defense to rise to the occasion and get after eli (dont really have to worry about a run gm) long as romo can play relativly mistake free fb(asking alot i know) i see dal going into ny playing the more punishing brand of football and come out with a win

Well, this is where I tend to agree with ya, bud. I think Homo is well aware of his December woes and really wants to prove a point that he can win in Dec. BUT (don't you hate when I say that?) its in New York in December. I live in Canada and its getting pretty nippy out there. Homo is used to a dome-sweet-dome. I havnt checked the forecast for this game, so I guess I should just keep my trap shut, but I do think that the weather will be a factor. Either way, these teams play a good game of football when they meet.
Just in case you are interested, here are my picks-

KC +6.5 (this is the only one that worries me)
Hou -2 (Jax just sucks. Hou has tons of offense averaging 23.5 ppg)
Ten + 6.5 (hey, Im with you with Vince Young until he proves otherwise)
Was +9.5 (a little leery, but with Washingtons pass defense, gotta chance it)
TB +6 (Carolina....Jacksonville....same thing.........)
SD -13 (they are in the zone.......Cleveland isnt.)
SF +1 (I agree with you on this. SF is getting better. Seattle Shithawks= yuck)
Min -3 (not really sure why I picked this one.....convince me otherwise..)
POSSIBLY GB -3 (Im still not sold on The O-line with all of Rogers sacks on him, but they are getting better. However all I have to say is 2 words RAY LEWIS.)

Good luck regardless, bud.
Peace

[aznxangel19]

good luck with everyones picks

[2daBank]

[quote=Jerbowski;2691198]Well, this is where I tend to agree with ya, bud. I think Homo is well aware of his December woes and really wants to prove a point that he can win in Dec. BUT (don't you hate when I say that?) its in New York in December. I live in Canada and its getting pretty nippy out there. Homo is used to a dome-sweet-dome. I havnt checked the forecast for this game, so I guess I should just keep my trap shut, but I do think that the weather will be a factor. Either way, these teams play a good game of football when they meet.
Just in case you are interested, here are my picks-

KC +6.5 (this is the only one that worries me)
Hou -2 (Jax just sucks. Hou has tons of offense averaging 23.5 ppg)
Ten + 6.5 (hey, Im with you with Vince Young until he proves otherwise)
Was +9.5 (a little leery, but with Washingtons pass defense, gotta chance it)
TB +6 (Carolina....Jacksonville....same thing.........)
SD -13 (they are in the zone.......Cleveland isnt.)
SF +1 (I agree with you on this. SF is getting better. Seattle Shithawks= yuck)
Min -3 (not really sure why I picked this one.....convince me otherwise..)
POSSIBLY GB -3 (Im still not sold on The O-line with all of Rogers sacks on him, but they are getting better. However all I have to say is 2 words RAY LEWIS.)

Good luck regardless, bud.
Peace[/quote

staying away from the tb/car gm ive seen a few good cappers on tb so its probly the right pick car potential to explode with the running gm and tbs lack of run defense has me scared off it but gl

havnt really thought about min/arz gm yet every time i do it gives me a headache. if you made me pick a side right now id say min but that may change 3 more times b4 sunday night

monday night i really like the under. hou/jax if i played it hou would be the only play dont think i could ride with jax in this gm..so for what its worth it looks like a real solid card to me.

[Shahbucks]

I like the skins to cover. Got that one 28-17. Redskins match up pretty good on defense but how many times have we said that this year? This reminds me of TB, Mia, Nyj games this year. Teams that don't score or get enough turnovers. I might play the skins but this is me just being objective.

[Shahbucks]

I'm big on SF this week. The pk line was right but SF wins this game with in 3-7pts. SF will shut down the run and lock up in the red zone. Both stats that favor the 9ers GL

[Shahbucks]

My card for Sun

Bal +3.5
SF -1
Hou -1
Tam -5.5
Den -4.5
Phi -5.5

Smaller play on these dogs

Stl +9.5
Was +9.5
Det +13.5
Cle +13.5

Not playing these but here the rest of my board

Min 28-24
Dal pk
Oak 10-23
NE 26-21
Ind 30-20
Jets 21-17 (covered Thursday)

[Jerbowski]

My card for Sun

Bal +3.5
SF -1
Hou -1
Tam -5.5
Den -4.5
Phi -5.5

Smaller play on these dogs

Stl +9.5
Was +9.5
Det +13.5
Cle +13.5

Not playing these but here the rest of my board

Min 28-24
Dal pk
Oak 10-23
NE 26-21
Ind 30-20
Jets 21-17 (covered Thursday)

Yeah, I noticed through the week that the line jumped HUGE in the Eagles favor. Must be because of the Atl injuries. Also, those smaller plays on the dogs look pretty good, but I am leery on the Cleveland pick. I like the Rams pick but 2dabank might not!

[iceminers26]

Good Luck

[2daBank]

Yeah, I noticed through the week that the line jumped HUGE in the Eagles favor. Must be because of the Atl injuries. Also, those smaller plays on the dogs look pretty good, but I am leery on the Cleveland pick. I like the Rams pick but 2dabank might not!

if i played the rams gm i would take the points 4sure. that is why i dont have a play on it as ive told you i cant bet on this team only against and this isnt a week to go against imo bears almost as bad not quite though..gl

[woody78]

Liking the Titans +7 or any more. Will buy the hook and be one them tomorrow for sure.

[2daBank]

let me be the 1st to say this week has disaster written all over it for som1 there are so many gms being bet 1 sided this week its not even funny. that being said a few of them i cant find any reason to lay off so far here is what i got..
ten+6.5
wash+9.5
kc+6
ne-4 (line still moving wrong way has me a little nervous)
dal-2
sd-13.5
sf-1
still looking at totals and a few more gms. let me know what you think

[2daBank]

oak/pit und 37 fired up pit team against oak only thing that worrys me is if oak defense doesnt show up and play a little. dont see oak scoring much in this 1 actually starting to lean torwards takin pit as well.

ten/indy und 46 offense been getting most the attention on both teams but ten defense is much improved and they are keeping the rock longer on offense. we know indy can play d and there offense can move the ball. this is a case where i feel good offense combined with solid ds leads to a lower scoring gm if that makes sense. last team with ball wins but there wont be as many points on the board at this point as most ppl think... 24 points wins this gm

hou/jax ov 47 this number is up there for a reason. every1 saw jax "lay a egg" last week on the road against a better than avg sf defense. hou offense should put up plenty of points against sorry pass defense. seems like these two dont ever mind high scoring gms between them

[2daBank]

arz/min und 48 another gm where offenses will get most the attention. arz defence while not ranked real well at times has proved they are capable of playing very solid they create turnovers and ap has had problems holding the rock. i think ap will have big gm yardage wise and hopefully control the clock. few things gonna make this 1 scary 4sure. arz secondery takes lot of heat but imo its mostly because they have serious problems getting any pressure up front. there have been a few gms where they have been picked apart but when you look back at them the qb had all day to throw the ball(problem #1). 2nd problem is obviously will arz even attempt to run the ball or just keep slinging it? id like to think that they realize they have to do something or whoever plays qb will be in a world of hurt. i look for both of these defenses to play reasonably well although as long as 1 comes to the party think this will be ok.

[2daBank]

bal/gb und 42.5 very important gm for both teams in gb in the cold. gb defense has been very good bal offense isnt anything to write home about pack should be able to use woodson almost like a safety to control rice and bal wrs havnt shown me anything in weeks. on the other side of the ball bal defense has certainly fallen off a little but this is still a squad full of talented players with a ton of pride in basically a must win gm for them i look for killa ray and co to bring it

[2daBank]

wtf is going on with the ne/mia gm? any1 know 4sure?