Chargers in a must win 5th game of season!!!!!!!!

[iLogan]

San Diego will welcome Denver on Monday night. They are looking for the challenge knowing it can ill-afford to drop deeper in its current hole. The Broncos led the AFC West at 5-0, with the Chargers trailing at 2-2.

Remeber last year when the Broncos collapsed after having the division all wrapped up? Chargers won the games they had to win. This year however the game they need to win is on the 5th game of their season. I expect Chargers to put the Broncos back down to earth. They have played beyond their means and should be put back into reality after Monday nights game.

The Chargers will take this game and put it all together on MONDAY NIGHT big stage. Did you know it has been so long since the CHARGERS scored on their first drive of the game. Watch tomorrow that changes. If you can get a prop they will score on their first drive TAKE IT!

That may just set the tone for the whole game, if they do score on their first possesion.

LaDainian Tomlinson is healthy,and I expect him to have a big night.
Sproles is fresh off the bye look for these two backs to light it up.

Shawne Merriman has been practising and I expect him to get a sack in order to display his lights out act on the big stage. Which will get the crowd into the game more than they already will be.
--CB Antonio Cromartie didn't win over any friends when he ripped the coaches for employing a zone defense in Pittsburgh, a scheme that had Cromartie playing soft and getting picked on with regularity. Cromartie could see his playing time reduced.

Antoine Cason maybe the KEY factor for the Chargers secondary. Antonio Cromartie, appears to being replaced. Cason leads the Chargers with two interceptions.

Bottom line Chargers are in a must win already. I believe you will see the team we have thought we were going to see when the season started.


Take the Chargers -3.5

From the same guy that thinks the Angels can beat the Yanks. LMAO

DENVER +3

[Dark Horse]

I can't beleive how many people actually think the Broncos are good.

That's because they are. Not great. Good.

The Chargers, on the other hand, are not as good as people think. Too many injuries on defense, too one-dimensional on offense. Josh Daniels out-coached Bellichick last week. Norv is 'innocent' compared to those two.

This game can't be compared to last year's decisive game, when Denver was already well on the downward slope. Too much has changed since then. There is something to say for the must-win angle, but I wouldn't make too much of it.

[pimike]

Good luck bud...love the Chargers tonight. Trying to find -2.5 @ -135 of less.

Ok everything I said about the Chargers FORGET IT, ALL OF IT!


DIOGEE comes in to my thread I am like 0-5

[RoagBettor]

pimike, you've made the right call. Most of the books have the line at 3.5. They think that the public thinks there's no way Denver can lose by more than 3. The books that have it at 3 have Denver +3 at plus money. It was the same way with the Giants yesterday.

If Denver had lost to Cincy and New England the Chargers would be favored by 6 pts. A tipped ball and a coin flip is all that's kept Denver from being 4-2 going into tonight.

[SportsTerminator]

Denver has been barely winning... that stops tonight. Chargers win...

[lakerboy]

Last night the public was on the falcons and the books lost. Same as colts game last week against tennessee. then on monday books cleaned up on Jets loss. tonite i see them cleaning up on denver loss. i dont know for sure but the pattern looks good. remember last year when the jets came in all high and mighty into sd.

[diogee]

Ok everything I said about the Chargers FORGET IT, ALL OF IT!


DIOGEE comes in to my thread I am like 0-5

Too true...no idea how the hell that is possible. Been doing well this year...not quite as bad as the jinx I had on EP36 in bases. Think that was 0-9 or 0-10 when I posted in his thread.

[pimike]

pimike, you've made the right call. Most of the books have the line at 3.5. They think that the public thinks there's no way Denver can lose by more than 3. The books that have it at 3 have Denver +3 at plus money. It was the same way with the Giants yesterday.

If Denver had lost to Cincy and New England the Chargers would be favored by 6 pts. A tipped ball and a coin flip is all that's kept Denver from being 4-2 going into tonight.

My thinking exactly this is a 6-7 line in my mind

[iLogan]

My thinking exactly this is a 6-7 line in my mind

haha GL

[RoagBettor]

If the books (not the public) thought Denver were an elite team, and that the Chargers were that bad, the line would be under 3.

Now, anything can happen in a game, but if the Chargers do their thing I expect them to beat the snot out of the Broncos. I'm even considering the adjusted spread at Chargers -10.5 for +255.

[patsfan2727]

Again, you must think its the 2007 Chargers.

Take a look at the numbers and you may be surprised...

Tomlinson 20 carries/70 yards 3.5 AVG 1 TD
Sproles 37carries/90 yards 2.4 AVG 1 TD
Moreno 81carries/337 yards 4.2 AVG 1 TD
Buckhalter 37 carries/267 yards 7.2 AVG 1 TD

So both Moreno AND Buckhalter have had more yards and have run for a higher average than both Tomlinson AND Sproles.

Rivers: 90.6 rating 1245 yards 6 TD 3 INT, 35-17 career 67% wins
Orton: 97.4 rating 1236 yards 7 TD 1 INT, 26-12 career 68% wins

So Orton has a higher rating, more TD's and fewer INTs than Rivers. AND he has a higher (slightly) career winning percentage.

Combine that with Denver's advantage both on O and D line, two players called Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal and I ask you again, who has the better players? In fact, the only place SD has a CLEAR advantage this year might be tight end.

As for coach, one is 5-0...one is 2-2. Nuff Said.

Again, its not the 2007 Chargers...its 2009 folks!

But dude, its PHILLIP RIVERS.....lol
some people look at Orton and see a homeless man's beard and think, hey he sucked on Chicago.....do a youtube search on KYLE ORTON 4th QUARTER COMEBACKS. dude is seriously underrated as far as his ability in the clutch.

Cracks me up when people just see a name and don't let their opinion ever change. Cracks me up even more when people can't spell the lead running back of the team they are wagering on......its SPROLES, by the way.

[pimike]

If the books (not the public) thought Denver were an elite team, and that the Chargers were that bad, the line would be under 3.

Now, anything can happen in a game, but if the Chargers do their thing I expect them to beat the snot out of the Broncos. I'm even considering the adjusted spread at Chargers -10.5 for +255.

I have them in a pleaser at -9 so yes it is a good play

[patsfan2727]

Dude, the Broncos have allowed 43 points in 5 games
(thats an average of 8.6 points per game)
so your thinking with the pleaser is that they will LOSE by 10+
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY SAY THIS IS A GOOD PLAY WITH A STRAIGHT FACE.
you're so locked in to your opinion pimike that you can't see the facts....

[MrBlue]

I play SU only now a days but I love reading threads here to look for good information(stats/trends) to help me pick my winners.

I agree that the numbers favor DEN but numbers dont always mean anything when it comes to the NFL. If they did PHI would have won easilly yesterday. NYJ too. But they didnt. Am I comparing either of those teams to DEN? No not at all. Im just saying stats are great tools but they dont always matter.

DEN is riding high and feeling cocky. SD is angry and embarrassed.

Im taking the home team in a dvision game like this one.

Good luck to all of you!

[TheSkeptic]

So you're saying that San Diego is desperate and that Denver are playing with house money? I'll take the team that's relaxed and proven themselves in the first 5 games of the season vs. the team that is scared of going 2-3 and 3.5 games back in the division.

Swagger is a lot in football and perception is reality. McDaniels has Denver believing they are contenders. Norv has got his team eroding by the week. Again, I'll take the points in a game where I believe the dog should be favored.

[RoagBettor]

When the books have a sign up "FREE MONEY, BET THE BRONCOS!" that tells me all I need to know.

[pimike]

When the books have a sign up "FREE MONEY, BET THE BRONCOS!" that tells me all I need to know.

Yep. I just can't understand how people think the Broncos are actually a playoff team.

[Parligod]

I think it's tricky tonight but here's my thoughts...

Edge for Chargers: (1) coming off a bye week; (2) playing at home; (3); playing a big rival; (4) in a "must win" situation; and (5) injuries are not as much a factor as earlier this season.

Edge for Broncos: (1) Excellent D (superior, actually); (2) coming in 5-0 against proven teams makes SD's "must win" scenario a wash; (3) better coaching (yes I said it); playing a big rival (another wash but I'll give tiny edge to SD).

Honestly guy's the Chargers are one of my favorite teams but Denver's playing some solid football this year. And don't say they've only beat up on easy teams, we know this isn't true. Prior to the Pats game people were saying "yeah they're undefeated but watch them get ganked when the Pats come to town" and look what happened? Now they're facing a 2-2 Chargers team that is NOT the same as last year, or the year before. There's arguments both ways but I'll take the 5-0 "underdog."

[RoagBettor]

Proven teams? Cincinnati, Cleveland, Oakland and Dallas are proven teams?

[sweetjones55]

PIMIKE, come on how can you be so surprised about people thinking the Broncos are good? They have a solid running game as always, a great receiver in Marshall, DJ Williams one of the best LB, Champ Bailey one of the best DB's, Elvis Dumervil one of the best pass rushers, and Brian Dawkins a surefire hall of famer at safety. Hate on Kyle Orton all you want but he is a very efficient passer and a winner. Eddy Royal and Stokley are surehanded receivers. They may not be a top 3 team but they definitely are good.

Did I mention they are 5-0? I got a question for all you Charger backers, How many points have the Broncos given up in the 2nd half their last four games? I gurantee you will be shocked to see the number.

[Parligod]

Proven teams? Cincinnati, Cleveland, Oakland and Dallas are proven teams?

I loooooove how you omit the Patriots. Dallas is comparable to the Chargers this year in that they came in overrated, but they don't suck. And btw the Bengals may not be elite, but they are pretty solid this year. LOL at you implying they're an average/bad team.

[RoagBettor]

I omitted the Pats because they are a proven team...after yesterday. But they barely beat Buffalo in their first game, and Brady was still finding his way back into game shape. Also, the Broncos have owned the Pats in Denver over the years (even when the Pats were champs).

None of those other teams are proven. Dallas, Cleveland and Oakland are in the bottom 7 of the league, and the Bengals just got their asses handed to them by the Texans at home.

Geez.

[RoagBettor]

At Bookmaker the line just went from -3 -130 to -135 back to -130, and the ML went from -170 to -190. If that's not asking for Denver money I don't know what is.

[sweetjones55]

GL tonight guys, should be a great game at the very least.

[demize21]

denver + points

[Eccocide]

I leaned SD thinking the books want you to take the undefeated team getting 3.5. But every tout and 90% of the forums I read are on the Chargers. That usually means one thing - go the other way. Plus, books are begging for late Charger money giving -3.5 at even or plus money.

Denver +3.5, under 45.

[Parligod]

Roag - okay Dallas is not a great team, but like your thoughts on NE I think they got off to a sluggish start and will improve over the season. Cincy lost yesterday but 28-17 is not a downright "beating." Can we at least agree that Cincy's schedule has been against some solid teams? GB, Pitt, Balt, Houston among the 6 games played...

Also interesting note on the line shifting. I think we can agree in the very least that the line placement was great this week, as it seems to be inducing a lot of bets.

[RoagBettor]

I take back everything I said. Denver and Orton are for real, and the Chargers suck.

Congrats Denver backers.

[iLogan]

I have them in a pleaser at -9 so yes it is a good play

[DrStale]

I take back everything I said. Denver and Orton are for real, and the Chargers suck. Congrats Denver backers.

The 2 returns certainly helped early on, what has impressed me about the Broncos tonight is how they played in the 2nd half on the road. They overcame the home crowd in a big way and just kept moving the ball against a secondary that couldnt keep up (with the exception of Cromartie). The Chargers right now certainly have the ability to move the ball down the field but the inconsistency with which they do it is killing them. In the 2 minute drill they look unstoppable.

[sweetjones55]

PIMIKE, come on how can you be so surprised about people thinking the Broncos are good? They have a solid running game as always, a great receiver in Marshall, DJ Williams one of the best LB, Champ Bailey one of the best DB's, Elvis Dumervil one of the best pass rushers, and Brian Dawkins a surefire hall of famer at safety. Hate on Kyle Orton all you want but he is a very efficient passer and a winner. Eddy Royal and Stokley are surehanded receivers. They may not be a top 3 team but they definitely are good.

Did I mention they are 5-0? I got a question for all you Charger backers, How many points have the Broncos given up in the 2nd half their last four games? I gurantee you will be shocked to see the number.

The answer to this question was zero. Today Denver holds SD to a measley 3 points in the 2nd half. I tried my best to pull you off this one PIMIKE, on to the next oneeeee.

[TheSkeptic]

Another square bet for me...another win. Congrats Denver backers! Went 3-0 tonight.

[pimike]

I take back everything I said. Denver and Orton are for real, and the Chargers suck.

Congrats Denver backers.

I second that!!!!!!

[pimike]

From the same guy that thinks the Angels can beat the Yanks. LMAO

DENVER +3

They did win dumbass

[iLogan]

They did win dumbass

But did the chargers

At least I didn't start a thread about the Yanks, and not to mention I'm 5-2 with the Yanks. I didn't get a chance to bet with them tonight, and I'm glad.

Oh yeah, and I will keep taking the yanks ML. BOL to you and the Angels.