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  • DIRTYDOG1
    SBR Rookie
    • 11-27-11
    • 15

    #1
    Why all the love for KC.....what you need to know!


    Hello my friends...

    For the life of me I can not understand why all the love for the Kansas City Chiefs that I am seeing and hearing! I think there is a TON of value baked into this line which is currently KC -10 over Carolina after opening KC -11.5 or -12 depending on where you looked. Why you ask? Simple, Ole Joe Public sees a seemingly unbeatable Chiefs team that is destined to be a participant in the Super Bowl at seasons end going up against a 3-5 straight up win Carolina Panther team heading nowhere this season.

    That very well may be true, however, its all about the point spread and as it relates to public perception and in that regard the odds maker has set a premium on those wishing to place a wager on Kansas City and for good reason as the Chiefs enter this contest having won three straight outings and covered all three contests ATS and have now covered 5 of their last 6 outings.

    In this contest Kansas City will face a Carolina team that has now lost their past 3 straight outings, are only 3-5 straight up on the season and has a current ATS record of 4-4, and what's more, Kansas City gets to face this seemingly toothless Carolina Panther team in their home digs at Arrowhead Stadium, so what's not to like about Kansas City in this matchup???

    For starters how about motivation? The Chiefs currently have a three game lead in the AFC West, have defeated their last two opponents (Denver and Jets) by a combined score tally of 78-25 and in this contest will face a losing non-conference opponent, and ooooohhhh by the way, the Chiefs are on a bye following this contest....kinda makes you wonder about their focus entering this affair doesn't it?

    On the flip side of things, this Panther team continues to play hard, while true they own a 3-5 straight up mark on the season, its equally true that only once in those five losses did they lose by more than 8 points and that was their 14 point loss in week two at Tampa (17-31), as a matter of fact if you were to set aside that 14 point loss to Tampa, you would find their other four losses were by an average of 5.5 points.

    Carolina enters this contest with extra rest having played last Thursday which was a 17-25 loss to Atlanta, however, don't lose sight of the fact that Carolina played that Thursday nighter on four days rest after a heartbreaking 24-27 loss at New Orleans which makes me think these Panthers were not prepared mentally to face Atlanta on that short week.

    In the big picture, Carolina has had the extra rest to recharge their collective batteries and they should be the more focused team in this contest. A check of the SOS (strength of schedule) season to date reveals that Kansas City has faced the NFL's 30th ranked schedule while Carolina has gone up against the leagues 11th ranked set of opponents.

    Carolina's defense has already played six contests against QB's ranked in the top 15 of the NFL in QB rankings this season, including games against Raider Derek Carr (#8) and Drew Brees (#6) and have also faced the likes of Matt Ryan (twice #11), Tom Brady (#14) and Kyler Murray (#15)....of these superior NFL QB's Carolina has faced this season, Carr and Murray are the most like Chiefs Mahomes (#2) in terms of being a duel threat to pass and/or to take off and run.....Carolina lost to Carr 30-34 and defeated Murray 31-21.

    Chief QB is the better QB in this contest over Panther Teddy Bridgewater, but don't blindly think Mahomes is super man and unbeatable. Mahomes enters this contest with a completion rate of 67.3 and a TD to INT ratio of 12 to 1 over his past five outings (Jets, Denver, Buffalo, LV, NE) but a deeper look-see reveals KC's last two opponents were Denver and the Jets who own a combined win/loss record of 3-12 straight up and five of the twelve TD's Mahomes has tossed over his last five outings came last week against the hapless Jets, Mahomes threw no more than two TD's in any of the other four games against Denver, Buffalo, Las Vegas, and New England.

    The Chief defense will have to contend with dual threat QB Teddy Bridgewater who for the season has completed 71.6% of his tosses and over his last five outings has a completion rate of 69.6% which is pretty darn consistent, Bridgewater also has a TD to INT ratio of 7 to 4 over his last four contests and for the season is the NFL's 8th ranked passer in terms of yards per pass with a 7.65 and is also ranked 8th in terms of yards per play.

    Add it all up and I think Carolina with dual threat QB Bridgewater under center, has a better than average chance of keeping the chains moving and the Chiefs offense on the sidelines watching, I also think these Panthers have a punchers chance at pulling the outright upset over what will probably be an unfocused Chief team....Give me CAROLINA +10.

    Take care my friends and be well

    Jim






  • House
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-04-11
    • 7088

    #2
    Let me guess , you’re a Raiders fan 😂
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    • L8night
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 05-04-13
      • 5535

      #3
      Originally posted by DIRTYDOG1


      Hello my friends...

      For the life of me I can not understand why all the love for the Kansas City Chiefs that I am seeing and hearing! I think there is a TON of value baked into this line which is currently KC -10 over Carolina after opening KC -11.5 or -12 depending on where you looked. Why you ask? Simple, Ole Joe Public sees a seemingly unbeatable Chiefs team that is destined to be a participant in the Super Bowl at seasons end going up against a 3-5 straight up win Carolina Panther team heading nowhere this season.

      That very well may be true, however, its all about the point spread and as it relates to public perception and in that regard the odds maker has set a premium on those wishing to place a wager on Kansas City and for good reason as the Chiefs enter this contest having won three straight outings and covered all three contests ATS and have now covered 5 of their last 6 outings.

      In this contest Kansas City will face a Carolina team that has now lost their past 3 straight outings, are only 3-5 straight up on the season and has a current ATS record of 4-4, and what's more, Kansas City gets to face this seemingly toothless Carolina Panther team in their home digs at Arrowhead Stadium, so what's not to like about Kansas City in this matchup???

      For starters how about motivation? The Chiefs currently have a three game lead in the AFC West, have defeated their last two opponents (Denver and Jets) by a combined score tally of 78-25 and in this contest will face a losing non-conference opponent, and ooooohhhh by the way, the Chiefs are on a bye following this contest....kinda makes you wonder about their focus entering this affair doesn't it?

      On the flip side of things, this Panther team continues to play hard, while true they own a 3-5 straight up mark on the season, its equally true that only once in those five losses did they lose by more than 8 points and that was their 14 point loss in week two at Tampa (17-31), as a matter of fact if you were to set aside that 14 point loss to Tampa, you would find their other four losses were by an average of 5.5 points.

      Carolina enters this contest with extra rest having played last Thursday which was a 17-25 loss to Atlanta, however, don't lose sight of the fact that Carolina played that Thursday nighter on four days rest after a heartbreaking 24-27 loss at New Orleans which makes me think these Panthers were not prepared mentally to face Atlanta on that short week.

      In the big picture, Carolina has had the extra rest to recharge their collective batteries and they should be the more focused team in this contest. A check of the SOS (strength of schedule) season to date reveals that Kansas City has faced the NFL's 30th ranked schedule while Carolina has gone up against the leagues 11th ranked set of opponents.

      Carolina's defense has already played six contests against QB's ranked in the top 15 of the NFL in QB rankings this season, including games against Raider Derek Carr (#8) and Drew Brees (#6) and have also faced the likes of Matt Ryan (twice #11), Tom Brady (#14) and Kyler Murray (#15)....of these superior NFL QB's Carolina has faced this season, Carr and Murray are the most like Chiefs Mahomes (#2) in terms of being a duel threat to pass and/or to take off and run.....Carolina lost to Carr 30-34 and defeated Murray 31-21.

      Chief QB is the better QB in this contest over Panther Teddy Bridgewater, but don't blindly think Mahomes is super man and unbeatable. Mahomes enters this contest with a completion rate of 67.3 and a TD to INT ratio of 12 to 1 over his past five outings (Jets, Denver, Buffalo, LV, NE) but a deeper look-see reveals KC's last two opponents were Denver and the Jets who own a combined win/loss record of 3-12 straight up and five of the twelve TD's Mahomes has tossed over his last five outings came last week against the hapless Jets, Mahomes threw no more than two TD's in any of the other four games against Denver, Buffalo, Las Vegas, and New England.

      The Chief defense will have to contend with dual threat QB Teddy Bridgewater who for the season has completed 71.6% of his tosses and over his last five outings has a completion rate of 69.6% which is pretty darn consistent, Bridgewater also has a TD to INT ratio of 7 to 4 over his last four contests and for the season is the NFL's 8th ranked passer in terms of yards per pass with a 7.65 and is also ranked 8th in terms of yards per play.

      Add it all up and I think Carolina with dual threat QB Bridgewater under center, has a better than average chance of keeping the chains moving and the Chiefs offense on the sidelines watching, I also think these Panthers have a punchers chance at pulling the outright upset over what will probably be an unfocused Chief team....Give me CAROLINA +10.

      Take care my friends and be well

      Jim






      very nice write up, best of luck on the play
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      • DIRTYDOG1
        SBR Rookie
        • 11-27-11
        • 15

        #4
        Originally posted by House
        Let me guess , you’re a Raiders fan 😂
        Hello my friend....

        Actually as a handicapper / gambler I really do not have a favorite team other than the one that I am wagering on to cover in a given contest. However, I must admit that I grew up loving my hometown Pittsburgh Steelers and in my early years of handicapping made the fatal mistake of betting Steeler games with my heart and NOT my head.

        Needless to say I have learned my lesson about keeping personal feelings out of the mix, if for some reason you can not view the game related stats in an unbiased manner its best to stay completely away from that contest.

        Take care and be well my friend!

        Jim



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        • HilltopTony
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 01-09-10
          • 767

          #5
          BOL with your pick. I can see Carolina hanging around. 27-20
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          • House
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-04-11
            • 7088

            #6
            Here’s a write up that supports what you’re saying . Panthers +10 at Chiefs
            Kickoff: 1 p.m. ET on Sunday | More Game Info

            I have a theory, the historic profitability of which I will test using Action Labs.

            I believe it’s likely that the sports betting public tends to undervalue teams in three distinct situations.

            Off a loss
            On the road
            As underdogs
            My theory is that if we triangulate these factors and look at them in combination — if we screen for road dogs off a loss — we’ll find teams that have beaten the vigorish (the sportsbook surcharge).

            Not all teams are either road dogs off a loss or home favorites off a win, but it’s instructive to compare these two cohorts and see how they do against the spread (ATS) and in return on investment (ROI).

            Road Dogs Off a Loss: 762-672-39 ATS | 3.4% ROI
            Home Favorites Off a Win: 719-735-41 ATS | -2.9% ROI
            A 3.4% ROI might not seem like much, but over a sample this large it’s significant. Within Action Labs, road dogs off a loss have earned an A- grade.

            This looks like an angle we can exploit, especially this year, when home-field advantage has been minimized due to COVID-19 restrictions on attendance.

            And if you look at the numbers, it turns out that this year has been the most profitable one for this trend. In 2020, road dogs off a loss are 24-13-0 ATS (25.6% ROI).



            And last year was the third-most profitable one for this trend: 45-28-5 ATS (18.1% ROI).

            Could there be a reason (other than COVID-19) for road dogs off a loss to be especially undervalued over the past two-ish years?

            Yes.

            I say this as an inordinately non-sharp bettor, but going against road dogs off a loss is a very square thing to do. It’s the act of a novice. A neophyte. A newbie. And since 2019 many new and inexperienced bettors have entered the market as more states have legalized sports speculation.

            Road dogs off a loss have been undervalued this year and last year because the overall market is now more unsophisticated. And we should look to exploit this. Hence, the Panthers, who have a career ATS dominator in quarterback Teddy Bridgewater.

            All Situations: 31-11 ATS | 44.6% ROI
            Underdog: 21-5 ATS | 58% ROI
            Visitor: 17-3 ATS | 65.8% ROI
            Road Underdog: 16-2 ATS | 73.6% ROI
            Of all the bets I’ve made this season, this is probably a top-five favorite. I took the Panthers at +10.5 but like them down to +10
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            • Mike Huntertz
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 08-19-09
              • 11240

              #7
              KC has won by 14+ in 5 of 7 wins.....they can light it up.
              The wind may affect the score.
              GL
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              • Mike Huntertz
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 08-19-09
                • 11240

                #8
                Originally posted by House
                Here’s a write up that supports what you’re saying . Panthers +10 at Chiefs
                Kickoff: 1 p.m. ET on Sunday | More Game Info

                I have a theory, the historic profitability of which I will test using Action Labs.

                I believe it’s likely that the sports betting public tends to undervalue teams in three distinct situations.

                Off a loss
                On the road
                As underdogs
                My theory is that if we triangulate these factors and look at them in combination — if we screen for road dogs off a loss — we’ll find teams that have beaten the vigorish (the sportsbook surcharge).

                Not all teams are either road dogs off a loss or home favorites off a win, but it’s instructive to compare these two cohorts and see how they do against the spread (ATS) and in return on investment (ROI).

                Road Dogs Off a Loss: 762-672-39 ATS | 3.4% ROI
                Home Favorites Off a Win: 719-735-41 ATS | -2.9% ROI
                A 3.4% ROI might not seem like much, but over a sample this large it’s significant. Within Action Labs, road dogs off a loss have earned an A- grade.

                This looks like an angle we can exploit, especially this year, when home-field advantage has been minimized due to COVID-19 restrictions on attendance.

                And if you look at the numbers, it turns out that this year has been the most profitable one for this trend. In 2020, road dogs off a loss are 24-13-0 ATS (25.6% ROI).



                And last year was the third-most profitable one for this trend: 45-28-5 ATS (18.1% ROI).

                Could there be a reason (other than COVID-19) for road dogs off a loss to be especially undervalued over the past two-ish years?

                Yes.

                I say this as an inordinately non-sharp bettor, but going against road dogs off a loss is a very square thing to do. It’s the act of a novice. A neophyte. A newbie. And since 2019 many new and inexperienced bettors have entered the market as more states have legalized sports speculation.

                Road dogs off a loss have been undervalued this year and last year because the overall market is now more unsophisticated. And we should look to exploit this. Hence, the Panthers, who have a career ATS dominator in quarterback Teddy Bridgewater.

                All Situations: 31-11 ATS | 44.6% ROI
                Underdog: 21-5 ATS | 58% ROI
                Visitor: 17-3 ATS | 65.8% ROI
                Road Underdog: 16-2 ATS | 73.6% ROI
                Of all the bets I’ve made this season, this is probably a top-five favorite. I took the Panthers at +10.5 but like them down to +10
                Great read, much appreciated.
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                • 44 Mag
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 10-14-13
                  • 34491

                  #9
                  WTF is this, a book writers convention???
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                  • spippen
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-17-09
                    • 3874

                    #10
                    Normally I might take the +10, however since Carolina play Tom Brady and The Bucks at home in Carolina, for me it is Chiefs -10 or whatever or pass. Your write is solid none the less. I'm just more of a situational player.
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                    • dirtycash66
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-13-12
                      • 2958

                      #11
                      Cant trust bridgwater
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                      • DIRTYDOG1
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 11-27-11
                        • 15

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dirtycash66
                        Cant trust bridgwater


                        Hello my friend....

                        Its awful hard to go against Teddy Bridgewater's mark of 15-2 ATS as a betting doggie tho!

                        take care and good luck!!

                        Jim
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                        • DIRTYDOG1
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 11-27-11
                          • 15

                          #13
                          Originally posted by spippen
                          Normally I might take the +10, however since Carolina play Tom Brady and The Bucks at home in Carolina, for me it is Chiefs -10 or whatever or pass. Your write is solid none the less. I'm just more of a situational player.


                          Hello my friend...

                          Don't you find it strange that the line opened up Kansas City -11.5 or -12 depending on where you looked and since this past Thursday has not moved off a solid -10 even tho' 57% of all wagers and just over 62% of all monies wagered have come in on the Chiefs? Sometimes keeping an eye on the line movement will tell you tell a bit!

                          Take care and good luck!

                          Jim




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                          • agharah1
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-07-10
                            • 2304

                            #14
                            You could just write: KC no run defense.
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