explain to me how football isnt fixed

Masu485 · 08-10-09, 05:04 PM

i think every game in every major league is fixed. but then again, everyone thinks i'm crazy

Casperwaits · 08-10-09, 05:09 PM

Considering only 4% of all bets are placed in Vegas, I highly doubt this game was fixed. Keep in mind, if a game was going to be fixed, it wouldn't be so obvious.

jackpot269 · 08-10-09, 05:14 PM

Whats amazing to me is how they always fix the side i didnt pick!

pavyracer · 08-10-09, 05:14 PM

Fixed games are usually blowouts. Since not all players, umpires, coaches, owners are involved in the fix the ones involved in the fix have to make sure the fix will be definitely successful in case the ones not in the fix sniff the fix out and decide they do not want to be involved in the fix. No fixes are left on chances.

dwaechte · 08-10-09, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

No fixes are left on chances.

Like all of Donaghys games?

Seriously, sometimes fixes only involve one or two guys and are meant to payout long term rather than with a 100% success rate.

donjuan · 08-10-09, 05:23 PM

Why would anyone fix a push?

VegasDave · 08-10-09, 05:23 PM

It made perfect sense to me...

If it were, say, 3 seconds left, you could take the snap, take a few steps back, and kneel. With 10 seconds left you had to kill clock, and that was the way to do it. If you kick the ball, you risk a return or a fair catch which sets up a bomb. If you don't run your ass off to the endzone, you risk getting your punter tackled.

Yes it sucked for Tennessee backers but I don't know how anyone came to the idea that it was fixed.

VegasDave · 08-10-09, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

Why would anyone fix a push?

And this.

pavyracer · 08-10-09, 05:24 PM

You have to be naive to believe Donaghys was the only one involved. This is what David Stern wants you to believe. Players, coaches, refs and owners have to be involved in a fix. Donaghy was the scapegoat.

Willie Bee · 08-10-09, 05:27 PM

Good lord! One preseason game into the season and we're already talking about contests being fixed?! Whew! Gonna' be a long season for some of the excuse factories out there.

rm18 · 08-10-09, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

Why would anyone fix a push?

That is the best fix because then you can hit a middle, if you go for a middle big payout with no chance of a big loss.

edlaw · 08-10-09, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by rm18

Quote:
Originally Posted by donjuan
Why would anyone fix a push?

That is the best fix because then you can hit a middle, if you go for a middle big payout with no chance of a big loss.

good point and did he have to cross the goal line?its j/alot of unsolved questions that arrive and that no 1 really has the answers for which makes it interesting to some its logical and others questions/i believe u add the human element in all SPORTS and it j/seems to convient to not only add a spread to a game but add an under and over so now your predicting the score and to do this almost every game and every week is awfully good or is that j/good CAPPING (alright) i believe if u r going to gamble and if u even believe this alittle the trick is to be on the right call it's j/something else to add in your heads,i believe someday some-1 will write a book and tell all ,how long he lives after the book is written is another story remember that magician who let all the trick out of the bag and all the other magician despice him now but yet he continues

edlaw · 08-10-09, 05:54 PM

and last yr,remember ed hockley and how many steeler games were BS.! calls palamalu t.d. call late in the game it hit the ground,he caught it and if it did hit the ground it was a fumble there's alot of rules changed this yr see how that affects the turn-out of games this yr

rm18 · 08-10-09, 05:57 PM

but the play they made gave them the best chance to win the game even though it was almost 100% doing calling a different play

flyingillini · 08-10-09, 05:57 PM

Intuitive_Edge · 08-10-09, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by donjuan

Why would anyone fix a push?

Ugh.. most should have moved off that number and many did, so it wasnt a push for a lot of people.

Anyways.. did anybody catch Al's comment last night ? Talking about how that result at the end might have changed the result for some. Hmm.. do you think he might have an idea of whats up.

edlaw · 08-10-09, 06:14 PM

i dont want anybody to get the wrong impression j/take in consideration maybe sometimes there r better games to bet on,last yr i made alot of money on college ball,inwhich it has its moments too and i made some on the pro s more on college though to each is own,but play w/caution esp; new rules this yr.,and wish every-1 BOL this yr in football,so go get em

and thanks for hearing me out and the comments

Leverage · 08-10-09, 06:17 PM

Cry

BarkingToad · 08-10-09, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

You have to be naive to believe Donaghys was the only one involved. This is what David Stern wants you to believe. Players, coaches, refs and owners have to be involved in a fix. Donaghy was the scapegoat.

From the little bit I've seen, you come up with good stuff pavyracer. When do you think it will come out more NBA players are on the juice besides Rashard Lewis?

LT Profits · 08-10-09, 06:52 PM

Al Michaels is the best and he ALWAYS makes betting references.

For example, if a 10-point underdog is getting blown out by 17 and then scores in the final seconds, he'd always say "And now for the all-important extra point!"

edlaw · 08-10-09, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Leverage

Cry

like i said i had a push so please im not "crying "dont get the wrong impression last nite was j/a good reminder for me let me tell u a story when i was 13 in 1973 i use to play the football slips well i had 3 winners and all i needed was the 4th to win $10,ok,the team i was waiting on was MIAMI remember this is 1973 well it was 4th quarter less than a minute to play larry ZONKA j/carried 3 players inside the 10 yd line first down 3 times they handed off to zonka gets to less than a yr on the goal,they line-up and let the clock expire if they hand-off to zonk again im a winner but they dont i listen to the game on a radio in my closet b/that was they on way i could get the game in on my radio i will never forget @ 13 the lesson in learn that day and it is something i will never forget as long as i bet sports

kroyrunner89 · 08-10-09, 07:38 PM

well i mean in this case the books wouldn't want a push because they don't profit at all now (although i didn't look idk what percentage of people had ten -3, it might have erased a loss). i do believe some games are fixed, i've seen lots of games where there's a huge head scratching play that changes a gambling outcome. but i think those games are few and far between, so i choose to just ignore it

pavyracer · 08-10-09, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by BarkingToad

From the little bit I've seen, you come up with good stuff pavyracer. When do you think it will come out more NBA players are on the juice besides Rashard Lewis?

The marquee players are all juiced. Ray Allen is juiced unless you believe a 38 year old can play 100 games a year for 48 minutes every night in the NBA and barely miss a shot.

BarkingToad · 08-10-09, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

The marquee players are all juiced.

Not Lebron too?! Say it isn't so Det. Zach Nichols, say it isn't so.

fiveteamer · 08-10-09, 08:28 PM

LOL first game already with the fixes.

4TH AND STUPID · 08-10-09, 09:13 PM

the play was very legitimate, and will happen again many times over in the same situation.

i am a titans fan for years and can tell you jeff is one of the safest coaches out there - will not take ANY risk.

with ten seconds left, you can NOT punt, and if you down yourself too early the other team may get a chance.

guaranteed option to win is to back up and kick it out of the endzone or just run out of the endzone.

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO a fix.

Enogsiwon · 08-11-09, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

The marquee players are all juiced. Ray Allen is juiced unless you believe a 38 year old can play 100 games a year for 48 minutes every night in the NBA and barely miss a shot.

Finally someone who gets it..

jjgold · 08-11-09, 05:07 AM

No pro sports are fixed because players make too much money

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A player is going to bet $2000 on a game

LOL!!!!!!!

Get this fukin thread out of here

head_strong · 08-11-09, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

No pro sports are fixed because players make too much money

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A player is going to bet $2000 on a game

LOL!!!!!!!

Get this fukin thread out of here

I'm not weary of the players because they don't have complete control of the game.....the officials, referees, umpires, do.

I've seen some very odd things in my time, that would make anyone wonder no matter which side you were on.

Tim Donaghy confirmed some of this suspicion.

As for the other sports I have my theories, but I'm not getting into all that because I don't feel like typing for the next hour.

Basically Donaghy caused mass paranoia among the sports betting world. Every loss someone takes it makes it easy to justify by saying the game was fixed. The thing people need to remember is crazy plays happen, things happen, if you are on the right side of these game changing/deciding plays then you got lucky, if you are on the wrong side you got unlucky.

Are a small percentage of games fixed, of course....too much money involved, it is not like fixing games started yesterday. Back before the 1919 Black Sox scandal, everything in between, and whatever else is still to come. It will always be there.