Do Carolina Panthers Suck as bad as their record?

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 02:47 PM

This was the same problem as 2 to 3 years ago.

OTL · 10-21-16, 02:54 PM

Yes. They are a team that relied on a few exceptional players to carry them. Now that Josh Norman is gone and Cam is at a diminished capacity, the lack of talent here is clear as day.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 04:25 PM

The core of talent is still there... BUT the loss of an exceptional corner-back in Josh Norman is soooo noticed.

They are not that bad... they will have a 8-8 record at the end of the season.

GM should be fired immediately, but that will not happen

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 04:29 PM

Many of you are too young to remember, but 20 years ago Deion Sanders would sign exclusively one-year deals with the team of his choice and they would instantly be a superbowl contender. He was worth every single penny he earned x2

When you have a true shit-down corner, it takes half of the field away from the offense. It is a pure nightmare for the OC.

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 04:34 PM

Exactly my thoughts why make your team weak in 1 area by getting 2 rookie corners.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by CamNewtonOutfit

Exactly my thoughts why make your team weak in 1 area by getting 2 rookie corners.

Because they have an absolute idiotic asshole making the deals for the team?? I don't know the name of the guy and I don't care to know... I know he is a pure idiot. You don't let Michael Jordan go to the Pistons, and you don't let Babe Ruth go to the Yankees. He is an idiot with a HUGE ego that thought he knew better. He should be fired yesterday... but it will not happen.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 04:44 PM

So enough about that... the question is how do we PROFIT from this being we like to wager sports?

I have noticed that the Redskins are starting to really gel with their defense. Sometimes it does take some time, but I think that is happening. Cousins and the rest of the offense is above average IMO. Look for the skins to reel off several covers and become one of the teams to watch.

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 04:48 PM

I have a model that predicts NFL scores and the panthers have been quite the anomoly. The model considers a lot of data from last season. id say avoid them lol. Perhaps the GM will make a deal to get a new corner in the mix soon.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by CamNewtonOutfit

I have a model that predicts NFL scores and the panthers have been quite the anomoly. The model considers a lot of data from last season. id say avoid them lol. Perhaps the GM will make a deal to get a new corner in the mix soon.

Any model or system for the NFL is a futile effort... I don't want to bash on your system, but I would fade your anybody's system and win cash. That is how the NFL works. No system works, on the contrary any system is to be faded.

The NFL is unlike any other sport in the wagering world... that is why it is so hard to beat. When you think you know what is trending, it bitch-slaps you hard. The only way to win in the NFL is pure instinct... if you are a stats geek you will get your ass handed to you

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 05:01 PM

Not sure i agree with you, my system went 11 and 3 last week completely automated and with my own picks excluded it went 11 and 1! im a pretty big math phenom so my system uses some unique ideas about stats but this is my first season working with NFL data.

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 05:04 PM

One problem with the NFL season is that there are only 16 trial periods so its kind of useless as compared to NHL, NBA, MLB seasons.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by CamNewtonOutfit

Not sure i agree with you, my system went 11 and 3 last week completely automated and with my own picks excluded it went 11 and 1! im a pretty big math phenom so my system uses some unique ideas about stats but this is my first season working with NFL data.

I'm not going to argue with you after going 11-3. I am an advanced math (stats) guy myself so we can both agree that you don't have much until you have something statistically significant. Keep your work up... share your picks... nobody will believe anything unless you post your picks before kickoff. Who knows maybe you broke the code... but I will blindly be willing to fade each of your picks this week for 10 betpoints each. That is my experience just saying.... let me know

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 06:08 PM

Have you been able to come up with any statistical breakthroughs of your own? for any other sports? im thinking of switching to online poker or some other game where i can stat arb the game in some unique way and play it every day. The model i came up with is not always correct 100% of the time but it predicts the scores with extreme low variance. ill tell you one secret, because the variance is so low, the results for this week went like this, straight on record, 9-5 out of 14, against the spread, 6-8 (notice i missed most of the games with a losing record), 11-3 against the spread with teasers applied to all picks (between 6 and 7), and without my choice games included, 11-1 so total win rate was like 61% with teasers and 3 losers and 84% with teasers stat arb stuff.

Originally posted by sportsfan9698

I'm not going to argue with you after going 11-3. I am an advanced math (stats) guy myself so we can both agree that you don't have much until you have something statistically significant. Keep your work up... share your picks... nobody will believe anything unless you post your picks before kickoff. Who knows maybe you broke the code... but I will blindly be willing to fade each of your picks this week for 10 betpoints each. That is my experience just saying.... let me know

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by CamNewtonOutfit

Have you been able to come up with any statistical breakthroughs of your own? for any other sports? im thinking of switching to online poker or some other game where i can stat arb the game in some unique way and play it every day. The model i came up with is not always correct 100% of the time but it predicts the scores with extreme low variance. ill tell you one secret, because the variance is so low, the results for this week went like this, straight on record, 9-5 out of 14, against the spread, 6-8 (notice i missed most of the games with a losing record), 11-3 against the spread with teasers applied to all picks (between 6 and 7), and without my choice games included, 11-1 so total win rate was like 61% with teasers and 3 losers and 84% with teasers stat arb stuff.

If I had any true findings... I would not share any of that on a public forum. You are naive... I challenge you to my 10 betpoints per game if you have the stones.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 06:20 PM

Cam -

I'm just busting your balls... if you had anything of value you would not be talking about it here.

Keep grinding buddy

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 06:26 PM

No worries im sure a lot of stats guys could figure out the variance and the standard deviations of football games with a few clicks in Excel.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 06:27 PM

99.9% of what is discussed here is supposedly in the attempt of "sharing great information and strategies to make our online friends winners" YEA

Reality: 99.9% of what is shared here is pure BS and folklore to make the sports wagering industry attractive to fools.

You can learn a thing or two... but you need to be far wiser than the average man, and accumulate years of experience.

DwightShrute · 10-21-16, 06:28 PM

Offense is good

Defense can't stop anyone.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by CamNewtonOutfit

No worries im sure a lot of stats guys could figure out the variance and the standard deviations of football games with a few clicks in Excel.

Do you want to wager 10 pts per bet with me? That is the only way to find out if you have something

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 07:04 PM

I can't this week you will laugh but some of the software I use for the predictions went corrupt and i have reinstall stuff on PC i cant blieve it so i probably wont be able to come up withe predictions til next week.

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-21-16, 07:04 PM

but if you want you can post yours here.

POOLSIDE · 10-21-16, 07:29 PM

10 points a game? You guys are both non pros. It would take you five days to transfer each game.

sportsfan9698 · 10-21-16, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by POOLSIDE

10 points a game? You guys are both non pros. It would take you five days to transfer each game.

I will be happy to take your bets -110 for any units you would like... pro

POOLSIDE · 10-22-16, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by sportsfan9698

I will be happy to take your bets -110 for any units you would like... pro

Very defensive. I wasn't talking trash, just pointing out the absurdity of making a bet that'll take you months to pay.

Regardless, sure. Ten betpoints a pop? No juice, obviously. I'd go higher except that I'm already looking at fifteen days if I sweep.

Jaguars -1
Eagles +3
Chiefs under 51

Please confirm.

sportsfan9698 · 10-22-16, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by POOLSIDE

Very defensive. I wasn't talking trash, just pointing out the absurdity of making a bet that'll take you months to pay.

Regardless, sure. Ten betpoints a pop? No juice, obviously. I'd go higher except that I'm already looking at fifteen days if I sweep.

Jaguars -1
Eagles +3
Chiefs under 51

Please confirm.

You are down. I was not trying to be defensive... just was not aware of the silly 2 pts per day rule. But I have your action down... even if it takes a week to pay off. More than likely it will be a 2-1 situation so no big deal. Don't be shy about reminding me, my mind will be on real cash when the games kick off.

sportsfan9698 · 10-22-16, 04:41 AM

BTW I was not trying to be cocky with Cam... but my experience has been that paper wagering is far different than actual wagering. There is a psychological element involved... so I was trying to politely get him to really test his methodology

For the record... I will take any wagers from anybody here for -110 juice... so risk 11 to win 10 betpoints. As for your 3 wagers (Poolside) they are no juice WTF

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-22-16, 07:36 AM

[QUOTE=sportsfan9698;26431278]Many of you are too young to remember, but 20 years ago Deion Sanders would sign exclusively one-year deals with the team of his choice and they would instantly be a superbowl contender. He was worth every single penny he earned x2

Wonder who has crazier outfiits?

sportsfan9698 · 10-22-16, 07:43 AM

Neon Deion was a bad muther fuker no doubt about that

sportsfan9698 · 10-22-16, 07:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW0DnziIYr8

POOLSIDE · 10-22-16, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by sportsfan9698

You are down. I was not trying to be defensive... just was not aware of the silly 2 pts per day rule. But I have your action down... even if it takes a week to pay off. More than likely it will be a 2-1 situation so no big deal. Don't be shy about reminding me, my mind will be on real cash when the games kick off.

You and me both. I've never even done a thing with a single bet point. Lolol.

sportsfan9698 · 10-22-16, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by POOLSIDE

You and me both. I've never even done a thing with a single bet point. Lolol.

Me too... I am new here. I have some other posters harassing my ass in another thread they want me to "go pro" otherwise I guess I am a fraud...

DOM-Ganador · 10-22-16, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by POOLSIDE

You and me both. I've never even done a thing with a single bet point. Lolol.

I let my 16 Y.O. use them. He is SO into NFL, and I am just trying to show him how hard it is to actually win real $.
Problem is, he has seen me cash some tickets. Now I make sure he sees me pay off as well.
I think it is good learning tool.

I think I had a couple thousand points before I knew you could actually gamble with them.

CamNewtonOutfit · 10-23-16, 09:15 AM

What are your picks for today, trump?

POOLSIDE · 10-23-16, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by sportsfan9698

You are down. I was not trying to be defensive... just was not aware of the silly 2 pts per day rule. But I have your action down... even if it takes a week to pay off. More than likely it will be a 2-1 situation so no big deal. Don't be shy about reminding me, my mind will be on real cash when the games kick off.

YOU OWE ME TEN POINTS. Just kidding, keep them. That's like twelve cents worth of free pizza.