Atlanta Vs Arizona

daneblazer · 12-29-08, 10:51 PM

Why is everyone on the Atlanta band wagon? Arizona has looked terrible in their last few games

You summed it up in the first sentence and didn't even have to write all of that.

If the blueprint to beating the Falcons is running Stephen Jackson 30 times a game, then God speed Arizona

osho1226 · 12-29-08, 11:24 PM

Here are Matt Ryan's stats against St Louis at home:
C/ATT YDS TD INT
Ryan 10/21 160 1 2

Atlanta was only able to convert 2/10 third down conversions.
Not very impressive to say the least. The cardinals are at home and are a much better team than the Rams. Also, Edgerrin James Ran for a 100 yards yesterday against the Seahawks so may be they will will be able to run. At least just enough to set up play action.

MrMonkey · 12-29-08, 11:55 PM

I'm with you right now on Arizona also! All depends on them getting up early? Arizona has looked sloppy of late, but Atlanta hasn't been put in the position of coming from behind? Ryan has to do more for Falcons to win than Flacco for Ravens. Well coached Falcon team, but maybe Warner gets the best of QB duel? It seems like Atlanta has had everything fall into place for them? A veteran offensive group maybe now including James might be hard to stop?

MrMonkey

TheAnswer03 · 12-30-08, 04:28 AM

All logic says Atlanta will win judging by Arizona's horrible play the last few weeks. But you have to factor in that this is Arizona's first home playoff game in I don't know how long, you'd have to expect the fans to be really UP for this one. Also the fact Kurt Warner's a former Super Bowl MVP and Matt Ryan is a rookie. I agree with you the over is looking like a good bet. I'd say the final score will be 31-27 Cards.

EastsidaProduct · 12-30-08, 06:36 AM

I'm going out on a limb and taking the Atlanta gamble. Something tells me Matt Ryan will shine. Atlanta ML...

ACCBball · 12-30-08, 11:50 AM

Its hard for any team to just turn it on after taking three weeks off. ATL has played in meaningful games till the end and came out on top each time. A sound running game is so important in the playoffs and the Cards dont have it, while ATL does. I dont think Ryan has to have a great game for the Falcons to win, just manage the game well and make some 3rd conversions and they should win this game.

Seattle Slew · 12-30-08, 03:26 PM

Atlanta has been solid all year on the road, but I going against the rookie QBs in the playoffs.

Pick'nParlays · 01-01-09, 09:47 PM

atl/over... this one is pretty straight forward

osho1226 · 01-01-09, 10:32 PM

I have done a complete 180 on this. I think both offenses are going to score and since it is a playoff game, no one will take their foot off the gas. The over is the safest bet on this. Atlanta's running game gives them a big edge. So, I like Atlanta and the over.

pavyracer · 01-02-09, 12:02 PM

Atlanta wins easily.

cweh · 01-02-09, 04:03 PM

Zona game is a trap!! Both teams have suspect D. Fans will be a factor since this is a home playoff. Warner/Boldin/Fitz/Bres is more dangrous then Ryan/White/Turner/???

rockhardfister · 01-02-09, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by osho1226

Why is everyone on the Atlanta band wagon? Arizona has looked terrible in their last few games but they have had nothing to play for. Atlanta on the other hand hasn't been too spectacular either in their last couple of games. Minnesota handed them the game by committing too many unforced errors. Even then, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Atlanta was not able to put them away even with all the turnovers gifted to them. They were 14 point favorites at home to a terrible St Louis team and yet the Rams nearly won that game. I am sure the Rams did the Cards a big favor by giving them a great blueprint for how to beat Atlanta. If Atlanta's defense can give up so many points to the Rams, why wouldn't they be suspect to do the same to a superior Cards' pass offense? Also, Matt Ryan has thrown more interceptions than passes in the last few games. He seems to be in somewhat of a slump. I watched the game yesterday and frankly St Louis looked like the better team. This game could go either way depending on who gets the lucky bounces. Speaking of the running advantage the falcons have, they ran for a ton against the Rams too but the game was still close. I think Arizona's run defense is slightly better than the Rams not to mention that being at home helps their energy. Statistically they give up fewer yards at home

All in all, this isn't the slam dunk that everyone is making it to be. I think the over is an excellent bet. For the side, a bit of luck will come into play but I think Arizona has the slight edge as they are at home. Also, Warner is a SB MVP so this ain't his first rodeo. The Cardinals have an explosive offense that will light up Atlanta's weak pass defense. If they are able to jump out ahead with a few big plays, Atlanta will have to play catch up and will possibly be forced into a shoot out that dulls their significant advantage in the running game.

This is the playoffs. All the history we analyze to see which team has the edge is all for naught after one team makes a few big plays or a few costly errors. That could happen to either team but usually it happens more to the road team. Of course, everyone will be quick to point out the recent playoff success of road teams such as the Steelers and the Giants. It is interesting though that we site a few exceptions to prove that being at home is not an advantage.

Arizona may win the game but let me point out that you are wrong about a couple of things (so let me correct you)

You think the Viking turnovers were unforced? You call it unforced when a player causes a fumble like Babineau did on that sack or like Coy Wire did on Adrian Peterson cracking him in the ribs. If you are talking about the F'ed up exchange between Jackson and Peterson then that is one play, but remember John Abraham was fastly coming from the wing. ATL defense is a bend but dont break defense that rarely lets you get big plays and eventually tightens up inside the 30 yard line to force a many FG attempts or mistakes. Not to many weeks ago this team dominated Carolina and shut down Drew Brees in ATL.

Secondly, regarding the Rams game. The Rams played that game like it was Madden 2009', going for many 4th downs on thier side of the 50, faking punts and attempting onside kicks. Doing things they normally wouldnt do but did because they didnt give a shit!! The Rams were very successfull with these gimmick plays during that game and ATL also pulled many of thier starters when the Panthers were up big on the Saints. They later reincerted them when the Saints game was in doubt. Also, the Cardinals dont have a running back like Stephan Jackson. Hightower is slow and "the egde" just stated today that he wont play for the Cardinals next year because he doesnt like to block.

If your gonna start a thread in an effort to mobilize people to bet on Arizona, then you need to get your FACTS straight.

rockhardfister · 01-02-09, 04:49 PM

Just found this tidbit - take it for what it is worth

All week long and I mean every single day during these Bowl games the two phrases that are being publicized on the ESPN ticker (bottom of the screen) are as follows:

1. ATL has not won a road playoff game since 2002
2. Kurt Warner is 7-1 vs ATL

Both of these statements are irrelevant to anything that is going on here. The first statement that we havent won a road playoff game since 2002 is meant to be negative but in actuallity it is a complement. Truth is, very few teams win road games at all. Has Arizona ever won a road game? Anyhow, a six year stretch without winning a road playoff game is not a negative, so why print it? I will get to that in a second. The second statement that Warner is 7-1 against us is also irrelevant because we are not that team anymore. In addition, Kurt Warner is several years older and doesnt play for the Rams, so why print this?

Here is why? The giant media machine (ESPN) is trying to generate action (wagering) on the Cardinals. When the square (casual gambler) reads that ticker and sees the two percieved negative statements about the Falcons he then looks at the line and sees that the Cardinals are home getting +2.5 points and he throws down on the Cardinals. Obviously this just my little theory so flame away. Either way, I think it benefits the Falcons and thats my story and im sticking to it. ATL is the bet this weekend folks and Vegas and ESPN know it. As a matter of fact they are pleading with you to take the Cardinals!

CarlCee · 01-02-09, 05:36 PM

Well Im a falcons fan and am highly concerned the guy above is wrong. The masses like Atl -2.5 @ 75% I seen 2 polls already. And why not ther are the favorites. Most people like too bet the favorite. What raises my concern it is down too ARZ +1 which means the heavy money load the" Martha Stewart" type action high rollers, illumantilol is on the Cardinals despite more bets placed on the Falcons. Which means if there is a Powers that be" The Cardinals will win the game. And since Im a falcons fan and satan is running the world. the Cardinals will win. However in retreospect sometimes "Angels have been known too appear" and ripoff the game from the heavy money. So they say, besdies according too ESPN The Falcons represent the ordinary man. So heres too the Ordinary folk and the Angels let's go FALCONS!

follow the logic

rockhardfister · 01-02-09, 08:28 PM

I think most people who wanted to take Arizona are going to take them on the ML period. 2.5 points isnt shit as most games are decided my 3 - 4 - 7 points. 1 and 2 pt differentials are rare.

CarlCee · 01-02-09, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by rockhardfister

I think most people who wanted to take Arizona are going to take them on the ML period. 2.5 points isnt shit as most games are decided my 3 - 4 - 7 points. 1 and 2 pt differentials are rare.

Well either case the monely line has moved just as much. 75% like the falcons (the square) Yet "martha stewarts of the world" the 25% are throwing heavy money on the Cards. Raising certainly my eyebrows somebody knows something. Wether its honest handicapping I have no idea or call it inside trading. Again Caution too the wind don't think angels cant appear and the Falcons take it.

Silverbullet · 01-02-09, 09:10 PM

Turner will run through Arizona all day........Atlanta 30 Arizona 25.........Atlanta and the over

nickydoo8 · 01-02-09, 09:11 PM

atlanta

Originally posted by osho1226

Why is everyone on the Atlanta band wagon? Arizona has looked terrible in their last few games but they have had nothing to play for. Atlanta on the other hand hasn't been too spectacular either in their last couple of games. Minnesota handed them the game by committing too many unforced errors. Even then, they had a chance to tie the game at the end. Atlanta was not able to put them away even with all the turnovers gifted to them. They were 14 point favorites at home to a terrible St Louis team and yet the Rams nearly won that game. I am sure the Rams did the Cards a big favor by giving them a great blueprint for how to beat Atlanta. If Atlanta's defense can give up so many points to the Rams, why wouldn't they be suspect to do the same to a superior Cards' pass offense? Also, Matt Ryan has thrown more interceptions than passes in the last few games. He seems to be in somewhat of a slump. I watched the game yesterday and frankly St Louis looked like the better team. This game could go either way depending on who gets the lucky bounces. Speaking of the running advantage the falcons have, they ran for a ton against the Rams too but the game was still close. I think Arizona's run defense is slightly better than the Rams not to mention that being at home helps their energy. Statistically they give up fewer yards at home

All in all, this isn't the slam dunk that everyone is making it to be. I think the over is an excellent bet. For the side, a bit of luck will come into play but I think Arizona has the slight edge as they are at home. Also, Warner is a SB MVP so this ain't his first rodeo. The Cardinals have an explosive offense that will light up Atlanta's weak pass defense. If they are able to jump out ahead with a few big plays, Atlanta will have to play catch up and will possibly be forced into a shoot out that dulls their significant advantage in the running game.

This is the playoffs. All the history we analyze to see which team has the edge is all for naught after one team makes a few big plays or a few costly errors. That could happen to either team but usually it happens more to the road team. Of course, everyone will be quick to point out the recent playoff success of road teams such as the Steelers and the Giants. It is interesting though that we site a few exceptions to prove that being at home is not an advantage.

nickydoo8 · 01-02-09, 09:15 PM

if atlanta is so bad then why are they giving arizona 4 points at home that goes to show that a rookie QB is alot better than you think he is atlanta should roll 2 TD's.

CarlCee · 01-02-09, 09:21 PM

Silverbullet we can get deep all day. Considering what the Atlanta Falcons have been through after Micheal Vick's misstakes. Its amazing how this team has stuck together. You really gotta give credit the head coach and older players and ofcourse the kids. Espeically with a hotseat like Atlanta. Hopefully those angels have helped heal some of the wounds. and just maybe these falcons have angels. So I wouldnt bet the house on any wager. Hopefully these so called angels show up

Gotta get too Warner and make him fumble 2xlol
<o did I mention im a falcons fan

rockhardfister · 01-02-09, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by CarlCee

Silverbullet we can get deep all day. Considering what the Atlanta Falcons have been through after Micheal Vick's misstakes. Its amazing how this team has stuck together. You really gotta give credit the head coach and older players and ofcourse the kids. Espeically with a hotseat like Atlanta. Hopefully those angels have helped heal some of the wounds. and just maybe these falcons have angels. So I wouldnt bet the house on any wager. Hopefully these so called angels show up

Gotta get too Warner and make him fumble 2xlol
<o did I mention im a falcons fan

For some reason I see ATL @ CAR next Saturday night at 8:30PM

nickydoo8 · 01-02-09, 10:14 PM

atlanta

rockhard you posted that atlanta has'nt won a playoff game since 2002 and that kurt is 7-1 against atlanta but you still like atlanta

Cougar Bait · 01-02-09, 10:17 PM

The more I think about it...this game should go over. Atlanta has a suspect secondary and Arizona will be throwing all day. Arizona can't stop the run and Turner will be there to light it up. 50+ should be no problem, right?

daneblazer · 01-02-09, 10:36 PM

These stats are dumb

Kurt Warner is 7-1 vs ATL

that's because Kurt played on some really good Ram's teams against some really bad Falcons teams.

ATL has not won a road playoff game since 2002

The last time the Falcons made the playoffs was 2004 and they lost in the NFC title game to the Eagles after blowing out the Rams.

I heard that Warner has a losing record ATS against quarterbacks who have shorter hair than Brenda Warner. Uh oh

Cougar Bait · 01-02-09, 10:48 PM

There's a QB with shorter hair than Brenda Warner?

CarlCee · 01-03-09, 03:37 AM

Arizona is now favored despite the masses liking Atlanta. If I was the feds Id be looking into this game

however again the angels are with Atlanta.

Goldfisch · 01-03-09, 04:43 AM

dont get to overly concerned with the %'s of bets on one side and how the line is moving significantly. YOu must remeber too that the ML money on Arizona also affects the spread. If large amounts of money comes in on the ml just because it is seen as good value, then the line must drop to even out the wagers. Please dont be nieve to think that there is a conspiracy or somebody knows something. The main goal is to get the money on equal sides, and wiht money coming in on the ml for a home dog, "which is expected" the line will move accordingly. I just got ATL at even money for ml, which I think is a great deal knowing they open up at -3. that is what you call a sharp play.

rockhardfister · 01-03-09, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by nickydoo8

rockhard you posted that atlanta has'nt won a playoff game since 2002 and that kurt is 7-1 against atlanta but you still like atlanta

I actually found that on an Atlanta Falcons message board and what it said was: ATL hasnt won a road playoff game since 2002.

rockhardfister · 01-03-09, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by daneblazer

These stats are dumb

that's because Kurt played on some really good Ram's teams against some really bad Falcons teams.

The last time the Falcons made the playoffs was 2004 and they lost in the NFC title game to the Eagles after blowing out the Rams.

I heard that Warner has a losing record ATS against quarterbacks who have shorter hair than Brenda Warner. Uh oh

I know they are dumb - the whole point of that post was to show how dumb they are and to ask the question - Why has ESPN been showing those stats all week?

patsfan2727 · 01-03-09, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by rockhardfister

Just found this tidbit - take it for what it is worth

All week long and I mean every single day during these Bowl games the two phrases that are being publicized on the ESPN ticker (bottom of the screen) are as follows:

1. ATL has not won a road playoff game since 2002
2. Kurt Warner is 7-1 vs ATL

Both of these statements are irrelevant to anything that is going on here. The first statement that we havent won a road playoff game since 2002 is meant to be negative but in actuallity it is a complement. Truth is, very few teams win road games at all. Has Arizona ever won a road game? Anyhow, a six year stretch without winning a road playoff game is not a negative, so why print it? I will get to that in a second. The second statement that Warner is 7-1 against us is also irrelevant because we are not that team anymore. In addition, Kurt Warner is several years older and doesnt play for the Rams, so why print this?

Here is why? The giant media machine (ESPN) is trying to generate action (wagering) on the Cardinals. When the square (casual gambler) reads that ticker and sees the two percieved negative statements about the Falcons he then looks at the line and sees that the Cardinals are home getting +2.5 points and he throws down on the Cardinals. Obviously this just my little theory so flame away. Either way, I think it benefits the Falcons and thats my story and im sticking to it. ATL is the bet this weekend folks and Vegas and ESPN know it. As a matter of fact they are pleading with you to take the Cardinals!

I have to agree with you there, those "preview tickers" always seem to make you lean one direction or the other. However I don't think there's any correlation to betting, as ESPN just compiles statistics.

walkingdude2 · 01-03-09, 03:43 PM

My gut says ATl but my head says AZ.

Wisenhunt will have his guys ready and the home crowd have been starved for a playoff game for years.

Warner has more weapons than Ryan to throw to. Turner will run but AZ should contain him somewhat.
I see this game going over both offenses are potent. ATL defense Abraham and Milloy won't be 100%

I give a big edge to Warner and the AZ passing game. Edge to ATL running game. Edge to AZ being at home.

The edge to the defense has to go to AZ. The turnover margin in favor of AZ is HUGE.

AZ PK

ATL/AZ over 43.5

Masu485 · 01-03-09, 03:45 PM

Falcons:

@ Cardinals:

I'm on the Falcons, but I HATE how the line is moving. I only got them at -1 and now most places have them at +2. I hope it's not a close game.

Dark Horse · 01-03-09, 04:03 PM

lol

Great pics. I like the predator, but a cardinal in your backyard will blow you away.

CarlCee · 01-04-09, 02:02 AM

Anyway as I was saying fella's you want too be on that side more money bet but less players who bet it. lets all line changes do all the work for you. and you dont even need polls use what I call evaluating "public perception" usually the favorite most will bet. Would have been cool too see if Ryan would have a thrown a touchdown and won. 3rd 16 and ya can't stop them. My Atlanta Falcons will the 2012 Superbowl because after all thats when the angels are suppose too come. I wish you were right gold fish this is called a sharper play hehe.