Why has Clemons' injury not shown up in the ATL/SEA line yet?

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  • No coincidences
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 01-18-10
    • 76300

    #1
    Why has Clemons' injury not shown up in the ATL/SEA line yet?
    Seahawks' best defender is done with a torn ACL, and the Falcons are still only -1.5 to -2.5 at home as the No. 1 seed? (-1 at Pinny and still being heavily juiced)

  • DirtyBird1500
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 11-17-11
    • 723

    #2
    It was pretty clear he would be out already after the last game. I'm sure it was already factored in.
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    • suicidekings
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 03-23-09
      • 9962

      #3
      Because he's being replaced by one of the most productive DE rookies in the NFL? How many points do you think it should have moved?
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      • Big Bear
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 11-01-11
        • 43253

        #4
        maybe clemmons is not that important after all since the Falcons can't run the ball.
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        • Speedy88
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-19-11
          • 11717

          #5
          I agree with both suicide and dirtybird. Irvin has too notch pass rushing skills, he might be a liability against the run though. But at most, I'd say his loss is worth half a point.
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          • brewcrew2k
            SBR MVP
            • 01-26-10
            • 1158

            #6
            It's crazy how falcons are getting no respect even though Seattle has a rookie QB.
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            • Phatman36
              SBR High Roller
              • 12-31-12
              • 183

              #7
              Originally posted by brewcrew2k
              It's crazy how falcons are getting no respect even though Seattle has a rookie QB.
              Gotta show your team can do something to get respect. Last week Seahawks took down the Redskins. Falcons haven't really shown much so far this year. This weekend will be their potential time to shine. Opinions wont matter when the Seahawks grind the Falcons into the dirt or vice versa. The wins speak for themself.
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              • brewcrew2k
                SBR MVP
                • 01-26-10
                • 1158

                #8
                Originally posted by Phatman36
                Gotta show your team can do something to get respect. Last week Seahawks took down the Redskins. Falcons haven't really shown much so far this year. This weekend will be their potential time to shine. Opinions wont matter when the Seahawks grind the Falcons into the dirt or vice versa. The wins speak for themself.
                No the Falcons only went 13-3. And they did take down the Redskins, but they had a gimpy QB. If RG was healthy it could of been a way different game.
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                • PAULYPOKER
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                  • 12-06-08
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                  #9
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                  • suicidekings
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                    • 03-23-09
                    • 9962

                    #10
                    Originally posted by brewcrew2k
                    It's crazy how falcons are getting no respect even though Seattle has a rookie QB.
                    The argument always comes back to that point. I was a fan of Wilson in college and I was really happy when the Seahawks drafted him because I knew he would be able to play and succeed at the pro level. The thing that makes him special isn't the physical tools, but rather his intelligence. RG3's lack of intelligence allowed him to get hit a LOT this season, and now he's paying the price. Wilson plays a much smarter game than a typical rookie would, and yes, sometimes the speed rush gets to him and he takes a big sack, but overall, he brings a lot to the table in playing situational football at a level above where most rookies are at.

                    I think the current -2.5 is a fair line. The Falcons are 13-3, but played a pretty easy schedule, and statistically were around 10th best in the league in the regular season. Not to say they can't win, but they don't deserve to be any more than a FG fave in this game. It should be very competitive.
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                    • MobFade
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 10-13-12
                      • 677

                      #11
                      I think there is good value on ATL-2.5. Clemons plays over 80% of snaps, Irvin about 40%. Irvin is a situational pass rusher, who is literally only asked to rush the passer. Irvin has 10 total tackles on the season and 8 sacks. Also, who replaces Irvin as that situational pass rusher? Scruggs has been the popular answer, but he isn't a great fit at that position in Seattle's scheme and hasn't played much this season. Seattle also missing Jason Jones who comes in those same passing down situations, so there will be a lot of inexperience in that front 4 against Ryan on 2nd/long and 3rd/5+.

                      I still think the Hawks have a decent shot here and maybe their depth steps up, but pass rush has been a weakness the latter half of the year and it doesn't help to have someone as consistent as Clemons out.
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                      • slacker00
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 10-06-05
                        • 12262

                        #12
                        I wonder if ATL will be able to use the no-huddle to interfere with the SEA DL rotation? If Irvin is mainly a situational rusher, it makes sense to go no-huddle with Irvin in after they pick up a first down and then run right at him or something to that effect. Similarly, if Irvin is out of the game on a run down, go no-huddle if the next play is a passing down to keep him out of the game. It seems like ATL can totally play this angle and really capitalize on the Clemons injury through use of the no-huddle, if they can manage it properly.
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                        • SEAHAWKHARRY
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                          • 11-29-07
                          • 26069

                          #13
                          Seattle will run and seattles secondary will take care of white and jones theyll get yards but not TDS
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                          • DirtyBird1500
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 11-17-11
                            • 723

                            #14
                            Originally posted by slacker00
                            I wonder if ATL will be able to use the no-huddle to interfere with the SEA DL rotation? If Irvin is mainly a situational rusher, it makes sense to go no-huddle with Irvin in after they pick up a first down and then run right at him or something to that effect. Similarly, if Irvin is out of the game on a run down, go no-huddle if the next play is a passing down to keep him out of the game. It seems like ATL can totally play this angle and really capitalize on the Clemons injury through use of the no-huddle, if they can manage it properly.
                            I was thinking this same thing. ATL does run the no huddle already anyway, so I have to imagine it will be part of their overall plan. How much they use it and how effective it will be remains to be seen, but I expect to see it for sure.
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                            • slacker00
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 10-06-05
                              • 12262

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SEAHAWKHARRY
                              Seattle will run and seattles secondary will take care of white and jones theyll get yards but not TDS
                              How about Tony Gonzalez? He lead ATL in catches this year, but people don't mention him for some reason.
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                              • Big Bear
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 11-01-11
                                • 43253

                                #16
                                LOL at some of these guys that think Seattle can shut down Julio and Roddy in the dome....

                                sure they are good but they dont have the speed to keep up.

                                Browner knows he cant run with Julio so he will play 10 yards off giving matt ryan easy 5-7 yard passes.

                                when browner is forced to come up to the line julio gonna burn him deep
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                                • NOboy
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 11-16-11
                                  • 235

                                  #17
                                  Their corners had trouble with Washington receivers last week with double moves they just didn't catch the ball. I'm not sure they watched the same game or were they just blinded with the Seahawks mystique
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                                  • DirtyBird1500
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 11-17-11
                                    • 723

                                    #18
                                    Not to mention Julio had 11 catches for 127 yards against them last year in Seattle (and White 6 for 78 and Gonzalez 7 for 56 with a TD).
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                                    • Big Bear
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 11-01-11
                                      • 43253

                                      #19
                                      seattle does not have the offense to keep pace with Atlanta.

                                      Seattle got lucky as hell with that football that lynch picked up and ran for 18 yards when they were down 14-0 and if Griffin hadnt got hurt it would have been a blowout

                                      this game wont be close lay the 3 and thank me later
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                                      • slacker00
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 10-06-05
                                        • 12262

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Big Bear
                                        seattle does not have the offense to keep pace with Atlanta.

                                        Seattle got lucky as hell with that football that lynch picked up and ran for 18 yards when they were down 14-0 and if Griffin hadnt got hurt it would have been a blowout

                                        this game wont be close lay the 3 and thank me later
                                        Seattle has scored more points this year than ATL, amazingly. Seattle has maybe the best running game in the NFL and RW has shown improvement every single week as a QB, so the passing stats from early in the season skew the numbers lower than they should otherwise be. It's wrong to suggest that Seattle does not have the offense to keep pace with ATL.

                                        Don't get me wrong, I'm taking ATL, but not for these reasons.
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                                        • SEAHAWKHARRY
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                                          • 11-29-07
                                          • 26069

                                          #21
                                          Different team last year we didnt have corners or wilson

                                          Tavarias jackson no comparrison to Russel Wilson
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                                          • DirtyBird1500
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 11-17-11
                                            • 723

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by SEAHAWKHARRY
                                            Different team last year we didnt have corners or wilson

                                            Tavarias jackson no comparrison to Russel Wilson
                                            Looks to me like Browner and Sherman both played in the game last year. Agree on the Wilson point though, obviously a step up there.
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                                            • SEAHAWKHARRY
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                                              • 11-29-07
                                              • 26069

                                              #23
                                              Sherman and Browner did play but now they are better in def schemes regardless i just hope its a great games with NO REF CALLS THAT ARE BAD AGAINST EITHER TEAM
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                                              • slacker00
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 10-06-05
                                                • 12262

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Big Bear
                                                maybe clemmons is not that important after all since the Falcons can't run the ball.
                                                With Clemons out, ATL will find a way to exploit it, even with their less-than-elite running game.
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                                                • NOboy
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 11-16-11
                                                  • 235

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by slacker00
                                                  With Clemons out, ATL will find a way to exploit it, even with their less-than-elite running game.
                                                  Screens and tosses to jacquizz and snelling and some draws here and there is I how I expect it
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