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  • BernardMadoff
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    • 12-12-09
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    #36
    Originally posted by LT Profits
    Top 5 and third best is stretching it, I'll stick with Elite Eight team for now. Either way, still a LOT better than Texas.
    And Im sure most would agree that Mizzou is better than Okie St.
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    • iQon
      SBR MVP
      • 04-08-10
      • 1483

      #37
      Originally posted by Bullet Kays
      I don't think you'll see better than Texas +2 or +2.5 max. At that point it would probably become a no play for me but I have Mizzou locked in at pk which I feel is the right play even though it's a major public play.
      I don't think there's anything wrong with playing public plays. It's just a matter of listening to your gut and either laying off, or fading yourself.

      I'd rather see Mizzou win and regret not betting the +1/PK that was up last night --- over betting Mizzou and wishing I didn't if Texas does win.
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      • LT Profits
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        • 10-27-06
        • 90963

        #38
        Originally posted by BernardMadoff
        And Im sure most would agree that Mizzou is better than Okie St.
        Okla State came right after win at Baylor, Mizzou gets a mulligan for that one. No letdown excuse tonight, and besides, we are talking about what LINE should be, who wins is almost secondary.
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        • BernardMadoff
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          • 12-12-09
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          #39
          Originally posted by LT Profits

          Okla State came right after win at Baylor, Mizzou gets a mulligan for that one. No letdown excuse tonight, and besides, we are talking about what LINE should be, who wins is almost secondary.
          I think pK is the right line.
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          • LT Profits
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            • 10-27-06
            • 90963

            #40
            And I think Mizz -2 is the right line. Agree to disagree, but I rate Missouri about 6 points better on a neutral court.
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            • Bullet Kays
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              • 10-12-11
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              #41
              Originally posted by BernardMadoff
              I think pK is the right line.
              I'm curious why you think pk is the right line, I'm locked in on MU but would just like to hear your reasoning...ok state loss/Texas at home/Texas' schedule?
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              • infamousbacardi
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                • 03-16-08
                • 4556

                #42
                Stop Brown and beat the Longhorns...you can't "stop" Brown, particularly in Austin, so they just need to contain Brown, and they can win. Brown will get his tonight, but Mizzou wins a close game...I'm on Mizzou PK as well! BOL.
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                • Glitch
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 07-08-09
                  • 11795

                  #43
                  Originally posted by LT Profits
                  Top 5 and third best is stretching it, I'll stick with Elite Eight team for now. Either way, still a LOT better than Texas.
                  you should be ashamed of yourself telling people -2 sounds about right. i respect you a lot but thats not even close to good capping and you are a good capper.

                  you are not the only one to say this but its really closer to -8 to be correct. (factoring in road.)


                  yes they ARE a lot better. but thats not the same as saying you think -2 is a good price. we would all like to believe in the integrity of sports but literally only a food or ignoramus believes this integrity exists absolutely throughout or with any frequency close to the max possible.
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                  • Glitch
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                    • 07-08-09
                    • 11795

                    #44
                    whoops. didnt see you have a later post saying you think they're 6 points better for tonights game. my mistake LT. but the rest of you saying -2 sounds right should go to teamranking.com every day or stop watching ESPN or something.
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                    • LT Profits
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                      • 10-27-06
                      • 90963

                      #45
                      Originally posted by Glitch
                      you should be ashamed of yourself telling people -2 sounds about right. i respect you a lot but thats not even close to good capping and you are a good capper.

                      you are not the only one to say this but its really closer to -8 to be correct. (factoring in road.)


                      yes they ARE a lot better. but thats not the same as saying you think -2 is a good price. we would all like to believe in the integrity of sports but literally only a food or ignoramus believes this integrity exists absolutely throughout or with any frequency close to the max possible.
                      What do you mean? I rate Missouri -6 on a neutral court so nothing wrong with -2 in my opinion, whereas PK seems like over-adjusting for home team. Are saying line should be -8 at Texas, because THAT sounds nuts.
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                      • LT Profits
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                        • 10-27-06
                        • 90963

                        #46
                        Originally posted by Glitch
                        whoops. didnt see you have a later post saying you think they're 6 points better for tonights game. my mistake LT. but the rest of you saying -2 sounds right should go to teamranking.com every day or stop watching ESPN or something.
                        That's a nice site but their TR picks are often inconsistent with their own ratings. The only projections they display is the "similar games" scores and even those clash with the TR picks many times.
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                        • Sirus73
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                          • 10-08-09
                          • 493

                          #47
                          Originally posted by Glitch
                          missouri is a top 5 best team in the nation. they do not need this game At all. these odds are off and this is a trap. GUARANTEED.
                          I disagree. Why would they slack on purpose risking their chance at gaining a high seed for the tourney?
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                          • Big Bear
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                            • 11-01-11
                            • 43253

                            #48
                            mizzou and duke r overrated
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                            • Glitch
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                              • 07-08-09
                              • 11795

                              #49
                              Originally posted by LT Profits
                              That's a nice site but their TR picks are often inconsistent with their own ratings. The only projections they display is the "similar games" scores and even those clash with the TR picks many times.
                              yeah but their wealth of information makes up for it if you want to put in a little footwork yourself to sort stats you think are important and analyze in whatever way suits your system.

                              i dont know how scrapers work but im probably going to hire someone for something sometime soon.

                              Originally posted by Sirus73
                              I disagree. Why would they slack on purpose risking their chance at gaining a high seed for the tourney?
                              one or two important players can realize they can afford to lose this game because they will make the tournament anyway. an east texas businessman's evil consultant most likely paid one or two individuals to not win so he can have his other client book sooo many "good" missouri bets that lose.

                              they're not fukking stupid. cash is king. missouri is Not over-rated.
                              they will probably lose by 1 to -1 tonight but they should win this game 9 out of 10 times played.

                              you know how you hover the mouse over missouri and its almost magnetically pulled down/ too good to pass up? for everyone? when else does that happen? lets think.
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                              • Bullet Kays
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                                • 10-12-11
                                • 1167

                                #50
                                Originally posted by Sirus73
                                I disagree. Why would they slack on purpose risking their chance at gaining a high seed for the tourney?
                                Or not winning the Big 12... I don't see this being a "look ahead" spot considering the KU game is 5 days away, might be a different story if that game was Wednesday or Thursday
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                                • LT Profits
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                                  • 10-27-06
                                  • 90963

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by Big Bear
                                  mizzou and duke r overrated
                                  Mizzou seems underrated when looking at their lines. They are really one of the best teams in the country.
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                                  • No coincidences
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                                    • 01-18-10
                                    • 76300

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by LT Profits
                                    Mizzou seems underrated when looking at their lines. They are really one of the best teams in the country.
                                    Haith is not a good coach though LT.
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                                    • Bullet Kays
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 10-12-11
                                      • 1167

                                      #53
                                      Seeing Mizzou -1.5 currently..
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                                      • troutsky
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 08-31-10
                                        • 509

                                        #54
                                        I took a small play on Texas... bought it up to +2. This seems like such a trappy game but I like to have something on it so I can sweat it while watching =D
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                                        • Bullet Kays
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                                          • 10-12-11
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                                          #55
                                          If you guys were betting with lives, would you still take Texas in this spot?
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                                          • ScurvyPirate
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 12-15-11
                                            • 377

                                            #56
                                            Betting with lives? The answer is NO. You would take Mizzou every time. They are the better team, that is not debateable at this point. Factor in the spot, current state of both squads, home court, that is the only reason this game is currently Mizzou -1. Texas can win this game certainly, there are upsets every day in cbb. It is all about value in my book, and I see good value in Mizzou tonight. Doesn't mean anything other than that.
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                                            • Bullet Kays
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                                              • 10-12-11
                                              • 1167

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by ScurvyPirate
                                              Betting with lives? The answer is NO. You would take Mizzou every time. They are the better team, that is not debateable at this point. Factor in the spot, current state of both squads, home court, that is the only reason this game is currently Mizzou -1. Texas can win this game certainly, there are upsets every day in cbb. It is all about value in my book, and I see good value in Mizzou tonight. Doesn't mean anything other than that.
                                              Exactly, no one in their right mind would take Texas if their life was on the line so why would it be different with money on the line whether you smell trap or not
                                              -Give me Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacroid in the Phillipines all day as well
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                                              • ScurvyPirate
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 12-15-11
                                                • 377

                                                #58
                                                Right, the only problem is that we have all been on short road fav's that should have been laying 6 to 8, but were laying 2, and ended up losing. I think we are all conditioned that way. We play devil's advocate in our mind when we see lines like this and try to draw on past results. I will always lean the better team in games like this, and whatever happens happens. I would rather go down backing Mizzou than Texas.
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                                                • coitus_maximus
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 01-05-12
                                                  • 870

                                                  #59
                                                  Will wait and hope more steam is coming in to get Texas around 3-4. Will take Texas huge if can get +4.5.
                                                  Think they will win outright. Momentum is with Texas. 8-1 at home and they win quite a bit at the Erwin Center. just ask Blake Griffin when OU went there. Texas is better @ rebounding and overall D, especially in the Erwin center. Yes, they aren't great on the road, but look @ teams that were supposed to beat them easy. Go ask Kansas, Kstate and Baylor. Mizzou will haved a hard time. They are not as good as kansas and they barely won by 3. GL though
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                                                  • convick
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 11-03-11
                                                    • 3954

                                                    #60
                                                    Texas allowing avg 58 at home since Temple game.
                                                    Texas allowing avg 80 on the road since UNC game.

                                                    They are completely different team at home. As is Mizzou on the road. Texas seems to be the right side boys, might wait until it gets to 3-4 as Coitus above says..
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                                                    • HoulihansTX
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 02-12-09
                                                      • 30566

                                                      #61
                                                      The reason for the line is revenge on Texas's part.

                                                      That is all. Its not a trick, trap, or any other nonsense you guys spew on the forum hourly.

                                                      Look @ the Suns v Mavs line today. Why did the Mavs open @ -2? revenge on the Suns part. Revenge does not have to be something that is talked about on ESPN daily to be relevant. It is factored into the lines for every matchup.
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                                                      • Bullet Kays
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                                                        • 10-12-11
                                                        • 1167

                                                        #62
                                                        You guys on Texas are definitely making valid points but it's hard for me to be results oriented.. Meaning if I think one team is the right play I will continue to stay on that side over and over in the same spot whether I go 10\10 or 2/10. Blake Griffins sooners losing at Texas a couple years ago has nothing to do with Mizzou playing there tonight. Sure, Texas is a tough place to play but so are a lot of other places Mizzou has been successful at this year. They may play better at home, as with most teams, but theyve still only lost 2 games on the road. They shot the ball horribly at K State and K State brought a defense Missouri hadn't seen all year. I can guarantee that fiasco won't happen again. Another thing is Rick Barnes is pretty stubborn with his system. I see him doing the same thing Texas does every game and MU will be prepared for it. The loss at OK state could be considered a let down game after winning a tough game at Baylor, which was not at all the 1 point game the results show. This is by no means a let down spot for the Tigers and a win tonight is crucial if they want to win the Big 12 during their final year in the conference.
                                                        Last edited by Bullet Kays; 01-30-12, 03:58 PM.
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                                                        • iQon
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                                                          • 04-08-10
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                                                          The reason for the line is revenge on Texas's part. That is all. Its not a trick, trap, or any other nonsense you guys spew on the forum hourly.
                                                          @ "Trick" and "Trap" being nonsense, but "revenge", isn't. Jesus Christ...
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                                                          • ScurvyPirate
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 12-15-11
                                                            • 377

                                                            #64
                                                            The "only" reason for the line is revenge? If that is the case, then basically all lines are created by revenge of some sort if you think about it...Team A plays against Team B over and over and over in conference play year after year. At some point, it would be difficult to remember whom is trying to revenge who. I need a friggin drink.
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                                                            • Bullet Kays
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                                                              • 10-12-11
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                                                              #65
                                                              I can see how it plays a part ...In the semis of the Australian Open the other night, Federer was favored over Nadal despite Nadal winning 4 straight grand slams against Federer, so why was Federer favored there.. You can say Nadal wasn't healthy but he sure didn't look hurt to me
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                                                              • ScurvyPirate
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 12-15-11
                                                                • 377

                                                                #66
                                                                In regards to tennis I would agree that revenge or just getting pumped up for a certain player is relevant. That is way different than cbb. To answer your question, I don't think Federer should have been favored over Nadal, but its perception. And it's Roger Federer...that name carries value that maybe it shouldn't given his recent decline. Similar to the New England Patriots or the Lakers or even Tiger Woods when he played last year. Why was Tiger favored in a couple Majors when he hadn't played in over a year and was awful....cuz its Tiger Woods. What the public perceives and what the actual value is, are two different things. Your point is valid, i just can't compare tennis to cbb in regards to the revenge factor, too different a sport.
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                                                                • ScurvyPirate
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                                                                  • 12-15-11
                                                                  • 377

                                                                  #67
                                                                  On a side note Bullet Kays, who do you like in the Pitt/WVU game?
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                                                                  • Bullet Kays
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 10-12-11
                                                                    • 1167

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by ScurvyPirate
                                                                    In regards to tennis I would agree that revenge or just getting pumped up for a certain player is relevant. That is way different than cbb. To answer your question, I don't think Federer should have been favored over Nadal, but its perception. And it's Roger Federer...that name carries value that maybe it shouldn't given his recent decline. Similar to the New England Patriots or the Lakers or even Tiger Woods when he played last year. Why was Tiger favored in a couple Majors when he hadn't played in over a year and was awful....cuz its Tiger Woods. What the public perceives and what the actual value is, are two different things. Your point is valid, i just can't compare tennis to cbb in regards to the revenge factor, too different a sport.
                                                                    I agree with you I just couldn't think of a reason why Federer should have been favored but that makes sense. And I like Pittsburgh to cover
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                                                                    • homerbush
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                                                                      • 11-17-08
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Everybody pays way too much attention to the human polls in college basketball, they mean nothing. Basically if a team wins in a week and a team in the next five loses they move past them. The voters rarely reevaluate the teams and spend probably 3 minutes filling put their ballot because they know it's not college football where their vote means anything. When betting disregard human polls.
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                                                                      • No coincidences
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                                                                        • 01-18-10
                                                                        • 76300

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Mizzou +1 at a lot of shops now.
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