Has the ACC redeemed itself as one of the best conferences in basketball?

TPowell · 03-20-11, 11:26 PM

Clemson got stomped by West Virginia

Duke hasn't played anybody yet and still almost lost to Michigan

UNC has played NOBODY and looked like horse shit

Florida State is a solid team if they get a team like ND to play

valaub04 · 03-20-11, 11:31 PM

when did they drop??

HoulihansTX · 03-20-11, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by valaub04

when did they drop??

When Wake Forest's talent level jumped off a cliff

Brian891 · 03-20-11, 11:37 PM

In order to return to top conference status, a lot more of their teams have to be tough outs. half the acc is garbage right now. its top heavy. duke and unc are fine, but maryland, wake, and at least one other team have to return to top level basketball.

HoulihansTX · 03-20-11, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Duke hasn't played anybody yet and still almost lost to Michigan
UNC has played NOBODY

Both of those statements are unarguably ridiculous.

Michigan has played every team on their schedule tough.

Washington(UNC's opponent) was the PAC tourny champion.

cmendo2005 · 03-20-11, 11:39 PM

Flordia state? Come on, Acc is always one of the top confereces because they are always the best tournament teams no matter what happens in the regular season

The Madcap · 03-20-11, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by TPowell

Clemson got stomped by West Virginia

Duke hasn't played anybody yet and still almost lost to Michigan

UNC has played NOBODY and looked like horse shit

Florida State is a solid team if they get a team like ND to play

What in the hell are you talking about?

How does Clemson get "stomped" by West Virginia when it was a one possession game with less than 2 minutes to play?

Either Duke stomped Michigan and West Virginia stomped Clemson, or Clemson almost won and Michigan almost won. Can't have it both ways. Are you being a dipshit on purpose or are you really just this stupid?

Fact is Clemson almost won that game, and they were playing their 4th game in 7 days! They just ran out of gas in the second half. That's what happens when you're playing your 4th game in 7 days and your opponent is playing their first game in a week.

And whatever you want to say about Duke/UNC's wins, they sure didn't lose to Morehead State, or get blown out by VCU and Gonzaga.

TPowell · 03-20-11, 11:53 PM

Washington is garbage, yeah they have talent but anybody with similar talent will clean their clocks because they play STUPID basketball.

Michigan is a nice team and all, I put my foot in my mouth there looking back

TPowell · 03-20-11, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by The Madcap

What in the hell are you talking about?

How does Clemson get "stomped" by West Virginia when it was a one possession game with less than 2 minutes to play?

Either Duke stomped Michigan and West Virginia stomped Clemson, or Clemson almost won and Michigan almost won. Can't have it both ways. Are you being a dipshit on purpose or are you really just this stupid?

Fact is Clemson almost won that game, and they were playing their 4th game in 7 days! They just ran out of gas in the second half. That's what happens when you're playing your 4th game in 7 days and your opponent is playing their first game in a week.

And whatever you want to say about Duke/UNC's wins, they sure didn't lose to Morehead State, or get blown out by VCU and Gonzaga.

difference between Morehead State game and Duke's win against Michigan was microscopic. Morehead isn't Michigan but still, something to think about

Jive · 03-21-11, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

Clemson got stomped by West Virginia Duke hasn't played anybody yet and still almost lost to Michigan UNC has played NOBODY and looked like horse shit Florida State is a solid team if they get a team like ND to play

Amazes me how someone who apparently has a reputation for being rather smart can make a completely nonsensical statement like that. There is absolutely nothing in this quote that is remotely close to the realm of reality.

TPowell · 03-21-11, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Jive

Amazes me how someone who apparently has a reputation for being rather smart can make a completely nonsensical statement like that. There is absolutely nothing in this quote that is remotely close to the realm of reality.

Will address this since you did make a half assed nice comment

1. Clemson ran out of gas when it mattered and West Virginia ended up winning and covering when it mattered

2. I already RECANTED and said I made an error calling Michigan "not anybody"

3. UNC has played two very stupid teams and have been pushed to a certain degree by both, even though they eventually ran away from LIU.

4. Florida State can't beat teams that can match up athletically with them, they dominate less athletic teams for the most part (ie ND and A&M)

The Madcap · 03-21-11, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Brian891

In order to return to top conference status, a lot more of their teams have to be tough outs. half the acc is garbage right now. its top heavy. duke and unc are fine, but maryland, wake, and at least one other team have to return to top level basketball.

I guarantee you if VTech or Maryland had gotten into the tourney they would have been a tough out.

Yes, Wake/GTech/NCSU/UVA have slipped. But you can't tell me they are any worse than Depaul/Rutgers/SFLA/Providence right now. Or Iowa/Indiana/Northwestern. Or Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma. Or Auburn/LSU/South Carolina. Or Oregon State, Arizona State, and Stanford.

All the conferences have some bad teams. I don't think you could rate the ACC behind the SEC or Pac-10 at this point. And I'd say based on what occurred this weekend, the Big-12 and Big Ten are more top heavy than the ACC. Which leaves The Big East. And they are basically two conferences. You take out the success of their former CUSA teams (Cincy, Marquette, L'ville) and while still a solid conference, they aren't as formidable as you'd think.

UCONN, Pitt, Syracuse, GTown, WVU, ND, and St. John's are all good. And Nova ain't terrible. But, how can you claim to be the best conference without one elite team? If UCONN and Marquette don't put up a showing next weekend, how can it be the best conference without one team in the Final Four?

But I guess that's why they play the games. UNC plays Marquette, and Duke might have to face UCONN. So it looks like we might be able to see this settled on the court.

TPowell · 03-21-11, 12:19 AM

Marquette will curb stomp UNC...... you heard it here first

Obviously the bottom of the ACC isn't worse than the bottom of the Big East (subtract Providence), Pac 10, SEC, or Big 12.

The Madcap · 03-21-11, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

difference between Morehead State game and Duke's win against Michigan was microscopic. Morehead isn't Michigan but still, something to think about

Yeah, it's something to think about. But not for the sake of this discussion, which is about conference status. Duke won the national championship last year. They were ranked #1 much of this season. They don't need to prove anything. We know where they stand.

Fact is the Big East only has two teams left in this tournament out of 11. They have lost to the likes of Morehead State, VCU, George Mason, Butler, and Gonzaga. Noticing a pattern here?

Meanwhile, 3 of 4 ACC teams are still alive. And the lone loss came to top-25 West Virginia. But again, that loss came from a Clemson team that gave them everything they could handle, while playing their 4th game in a week, while WVU was playing their first game in a week. And so while the Big East might be able to put that one limp feather in their cap, the ACC and FSU just pulled Notre Dame/the Big East's pants down even further.

Originally posted by TPowell

Will address this since you did make a half assed nice comment 1. Clemson ran out of gas when it mattered and West Virginia ended up winning and covering when it mattered

Again, no shit. You think Clemson loses that game if they hadn't had to play UAB two days prior?

The Madcap · 03-21-11, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

Marquette will curb stomp UNC...... you heard it here first

Obviously the bottom of the ACC isn't worse than the bottom of the Big East (subtract Providence), Pac 10, SEC, or Big 12.

I don't know. Wake is pretty terrible. I'm not sure they could beat Depaul or USF.

I kind of hope Marquette does curb stomp UNC. It will shut all those sissy tarhole fans up.

creazntee · 03-21-11, 12:35 AM

Unbelievable

TPowell · 03-21-11, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by The Madcap

Again, no shit. You think Clemson loses that game if they hadn't had to play UAB two days prior?

how did VCU look? They press a lot too. I didnt mean because they had played earlier. I just meant that they were mentally strong enough to win a game against a quality opponent like WVU when it mattered

The Madcap · 03-21-11, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

how did VCU look? They press a lot too. I didnt mean because they had played earlier. I just meant that they were mentally strong enough to win a game against a quality opponent like WVU when it mattered

Sure. I'm not saying it can't be done. But it shouldn't be a knock if you come up just short. Besides, VCU was much fresher than Clemson. For VCU, their 2nd game against GTOWN was only their 2nd game in 11 days. It's a little different than 4 in 7 like Clemson had.

And I'm not sure VCU would have had what it took to beat West Virginia. WVU is better coached. Not to mention that GTown had just lost 5 straight and were reeling. In that specific situation, VCU has the advantage. It's kind of hard to get your shit together and work your injured point guard into the rotation when you haven't played a game in almost two weeks and you're going up against a jacked/ready/relatively fresh team that played a couple nights before. In that scenario, the rust is worse. No coach will tell you different.

TPowell · 03-21-11, 12:46 AM

I just don't buy fatigue as an excuse anymore. UConn beating Louisville in the BET did it for me. These kids are used to playing 2-3 games a day because of AAU and such.

The Madcap · 03-21-11, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

I just don't buy fatigue as an excuse anymore. UConn beating Louisville in the BET did it for me. These kids are used to playing 2-3 games a day because of AAU and such.

But it's not like L'ville was completely fresh. They had played in back to back games.

And UCONN's first two games were both blowouts against a terrible Depaul team and GTown missing their point guard. It's not like they were that strenuous of tests with their starters having to play 40 minutes.

Plus, it's not like Louisville is the best team around. Loses to Drexel and Providence showed us that.

That isn't to take away from what UCONN did, but there's a reason Bob Knight called UCONN's run the most amazing thing he'd ever seen in sports. And that reason is that fatigue does matter.

sweethook · 03-21-11, 02:09 AM

i would say it sure as , big east is fake

Regul8er · 03-21-11, 08:02 AM

I've been sick and tired of the hype and attention the Big East has gotten this year! And the way they have embarassed themselves in the NCAA tourny has put a smile on my face.

Big East is vastly overrated, and there isn't a debate people. Anyone who has played competitive sports would know that the worth of your season relies on how you perform in crunch time. As a Conference, the Big East has failed miserably.

Here;s something to think about....had the Big East not had two matchups in the Round of 32....we may be legitimatly looking at ZERO BE teams in the Sweet 16. Interesting!

CLASSIC ROCK · 03-21-11, 08:47 AM

lot of young teams in acc this year,back to normal next year

agharah1 · 03-21-11, 10:56 AM

The problem with the ACC is its UNC/Duke and the 10 dwarves. UNC/Duke if they even have half-way decent teams end up playing the first two rounds in-state so you know why they have more Sweet Sixteen appearances than any other school. FSU seems like a whole new team from the one that was losing to Auburn because of awful jumpshooting. As crazy as it sounds, FSU got better when their best player stopped taking shots.

Holdin Aces · 03-21-11, 12:49 PM

First off I will state that I am a die hard DUKE fan, I have been my entire life. The Big East has not faired very well in the tournament but to me I don't think that the conference is overrated. Those guys beat each other up all year long and then when the tourney rolls around they are wore out. I think the committe was spot on by only putting in 4 ACC teams. Although VT had a case it was their own fault once again, they beat Duke and get the win they need and then go out and sh*t the bed at home against Boston College. I do think that it speaks volumes about the ACC to still have 3 teams playing but at the same time I don't think the ACC teams had to deal with playing a top 25 caliber team every other game like the Big East teams did. However you would think that would make them stronger and more apt to be ready for a big run in March. Not to mention the officiating in the tournament is a whole lot different that the regular season WWF Big East slugfest you see night in and night out. I am proud of the ACC for the way they have played so far but I still fill the Big East was hands down the best conference in Basketball but very unfortunate so far in the tournament.

spargament · 03-21-11, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Both of those statements are unarguably ridiculous. Michigan has played every team on their schedule tough. Washington(UNC's opponent) was the PAC tourny champion.

Houlihans is on point. Washington was a scary type of team to see in a postseason event, with all the athleticism they possess I was not in the least surprised they almost beat UNC

flocko76 · 03-21-11, 01:46 PM

If you want to make the case that the big east is over rated, which teams would you have left out of the tournament and who would you have put in their place?

HoulihansTX · 03-21-11, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by flocko76

If you want to make the case that the big east is over rated, which teams would you have left out of the tournament and who would you have put in their place?

Georgetown, and Villanova OUT

Colorado, and V-Tech IN

honorable mention(Alabama)

jubuck757 · 03-21-11, 02:03 PM

Acc Had always been one of the better conferences. Alwayssssss

Ice House · 03-21-11, 02:06 PM

each team should be judged on a individual basis what conference you play in only means so much

TPowell · 03-21-11, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by spargament

Houlihans is on point. Washington was a scary type of team to see in a postseason event, with all the athleticism they possess I was not in the least surprised they almost beat UNC

Washington is shit, very lucky no other Pac 10 team has the athletes outside of maybe Arizona because Romar is one of the bottom 10-15 coaches in the nation and his teams always play stupid basketball. Thats how UK and Michigan State both beat them at the start of the year. Watch the games for christ sake

k13 · 03-21-11, 02:43 PM

Not really just easy match ups.

If all three make the final four I'll be impressed.

redrum · 03-21-11, 03:06 PM

if miami hurricanes would have learn how to control games when they were ahead we would be in the tourny also. we beat west va this year. we will be a team to reckon with next year we loose only 1 player adrian thomas and gain 6-11 transfer from the gators who had to sit out Kenny Kadji and a 6-5 guard from a div 2 team watch out acc

knelson · 03-21-11, 03:17 PM

The ACC is definitely always tough in the tourney. As an ACC guy, I'd like to see them be a little tougher in the regular season as well and get a few more teams in the tourney.