seriously, were these 2 gonna be left out if they didnt win their conference tournaments? the seedings overall are just as bad as the selection of uab and vcu IMO.
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other bad seeds
florida 2 (high)
texas 4 (low)
wvu 5 (high)
cincinnati 6 (high)
ucla 7 (high)
butler 8 (high)
mason 8 (low)
odu 9 (low)
fsu 10 (low)
clemson playin 12 (low)
gonzaga 11 (low)
missouri 11 (low)Comment -
i expected richmond to be a 9 or 10 seed and utahst 8 or 9, those are the most off IMO.Comment -
Nova seems a little low too IMOComment -
nova had big wins early or else they wouldnt even be in. seemed like a fair seed, a bit high if anything.Comment -
you could almost flip the seeds in cincinnati missouri and it would look more appropriate.Comment -
I totally agree, Trinity. I thought the seedings were as repulsive as the at-large selections. This is by the far the worse job I have ever seen the Committee put forth. Pathetic on so many fronts.Comment -
plus they have 2 potential 2nd round matchups of big east teams. they could have avoided this until the sweet 16. very bad job by the committee this year. they also have a game between temple and penn st in tucson.Comment -
Cincinnati has been projected as a 5-7 seed for the entire bracketology. You honestly expected them to get an 11 seed? They're not that bad.. and did beat some good teams down the stretch away from their home court.. could do some upsetting if you think they're no goodComment -
They are both 12 seeds because they wouldn't have made the tournament if they lost their conference tournaments. Utah State has only 2 Top 100 RPI wins, no team has made the field with fewer than 3.Comment -
Utah State should be higher than a 12. Is Pullens hand okay for K-State?Comment -
Fail.Originally posted by agharah1Comment -
Well when you put that dumbass token from OhioSt as the head of the committee you are going to get bad seedings and bad at large decisions.Comment -
richmond will be the 12 beating the 5 this year over vandy. I watched a couple vandy games and THEY SUCK against any kind of press. With rich's defense, i see them winning outright by 4-8 points. Prob only game I will wager on the first round.Comment -
my point was more that you could make a case for missouri being a better seed and cincinnati being a worse one. i think missouri is too good for an 11 seed and cincinnati not deserving of a 6 seed. if you woulda told me that was a 6 vs 11 game, i would have guessed missouri the 6 and cincinnati the 11.Originally posted by bmac_06Comment -
utah st wouldnt have got in at 29-4 in the weakest and biggest field ever? somehow i find this hard to believe. richmond was a bit dicier but still would have been a ridiculous snub IMO if they woulda lost to dayton.Originally posted by agharah1Comment -
Was anyone talking about Belmont getting in at 30-4 without the automatic bid? No. Utah State's coach, Stew Morrill, knows he has a very strong home court advantage way out in Logan, Utah. As with most mid-majors with strong home court advantages, other than Utah and BYU the big boys are reluctant to travel out there. However, unlike most mid-majors, Coach Morill refuses to accept this. So while other mid-majors are on the road taking paycheck games with no return game, Utah State steadfastly insists that they will not play any major conference school that will not give them a return game. As a result, Utah State frequently has not only has no games east of the Mississippi, they have no games east of the Rockies. This year they finally played @ Georgetown (and were swiftly and brutally dispatched) but their other non-conference games were:Originally posted by thetrinity
Weber State, @ BYU, Southern Utah, Utah, Northeastern, @ Denver, Long Beach State, Cal State Bakersfield, @ Utah Valley, Idaho St., Western Michigan, and Troy. Plus a BracketBuster game @ St. Marys. That's it. 5 non-conference road games, 2 of which were against other Utah schools.
Combine that with the fact that USU is the only WAC school in the RPI Top 100, and you get a team that only played 4 RPI Top 100 teams. Not beat 4 Top 100 teams, *played* 4 Top 100 teams. Even Belmont played more Top 100 teams than that.
Suffice it to say that such a home game and cupcake heavy schedule probably doesn't prepare a team for the rigors of tournament play, and you'd be right. Prior to this year, Utah State had only won the WAC tournament once despite either making the final or being the #1 seed every year since 2006.
Then there's the NCAA Tournament. Despite making the NCAA Tournament 7 times under Stew Morrill, Utah State has only won a single game: in 2001 they beat Ohio State in a 5/12 game in overtime. Their last 3 tournament appearances were a 16 point loss to Texas A&M in a 5/12 game, a 1pt loss to Marquette in a 6/11 game, and a 14 point loss to Washington also in a 5/12 game.
So I ask you, does a team that had to scrape by San Jose State by 4 in the WAC Tournament semifinals seem like a suitable candidate to upset Kansas State?Comment -
yes and I'm also taking UAB ml tomorrowComment -
I'm not really sure how that works....to be honest, i really think that they give the teams who won the weaker conference tourneys a seed where they feel have the best shot to make a run in the tourney. As far as I can remember.....the 11/12/13 seeds always were those teams who were under the radar, but were legit teams. I dont understand what makes ODU a 8 seed and USU a 12 seed...but thast the best i can come up withComment -
Eh I wasnt to surprised to see Richmond at a #12 and Utah St didnt deserve anything betterComment -
Utah State deserved a top 6 seed at least. They played BYU VERY close on the road (6 point game) and beat Saint Mary's by double digits on the road. They beat Boise State 3 times who is a top 75 team according to Ken Pom. Only 1 bad loss which came at IdahoComment -
Ken Pom has them #16 and Sagarin has them at #21Comment -
utah st is worthy of a 6 seed you buffoon and yes they would easily get an at-large berthComment -
utah st. is right where they should be imoComment -
In 2008, Utah State was ranked in the AP Top 25 and failed to make the tournament, the first time ever a ranked team didn't make the field. That's a testament to how weak their scheduling is.Comment -
Definitely thoought Utah State should of been a #9 at worst.Comment -
Look at Utah States SOS of 139, K-St is gonna smoke themComment -
wow richmond virtually a PK; these 5-12 seed lines aint what they use 2b...
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People are giving Utah State way too much credit. I don't think they'll make it past the first round.Originally posted by agharah1Comment -
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UTAH STATE cant even make an arguement for being a good seed. They play a pathetic out of conference schedule and in a pathetic league.Comment
