Butler has a good chance here. They are not afraid of Duke.
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Duke's gonna win by double digitsComment -
i might take butler plus 5 or 6 but no lessComment -
who makes up this "public" everyone refers to? Does anyone here at SBR admit to being part of the clueless public?Comment -
You are an idiot! What does Butler have to do to convince you? hold Mich St. to 50 points and the game Monday is a mismatch?Comment -
like butler plus the pointsComment -
Duke will win in DDComment -
duke by ddComment -
Butler won't let them blow them outComment -
Originally posted by hhsilver
Guess the privates keep their picks private.Comment -
Butler wont have any choice. I won on buttler and duke yesterday but from what i saw outta both teams duke is gunna azz rape butlerComment -
I tend to agree with this logic. There seems to be a bit of an overreaction to last night's game. If Duke's big 3 have a similar game as last night, those saying Duke minus the points will be right. That said, Duke hasn't put a game together like that pretty much all season. If they play as they normally have, I think Butler can keep it close. It's starting to push past that magic 7. Can it get to 8?Originally posted by KingKolzigComment -
My gut keeps saying Duke, but with the line up to 7 now and climbing, I'm not so sure. Butler just played one of their worst games on offense while Duke played one of their best... if both teams return to normal here, this could end up being a tight one. Butler is no fluke, they opened the season in the Top 10. Having said that, I still lean Duke just because of their size and ability to control the boards. Zoubek is scary out there.Originally posted by jgrayComment -
if it gets to Duke -8 then it will be like the 2nd part of a 4pt teaser as far as im concerned. if Mack doesnt go out of that game they dont go 5-21 from deep and they beat MSU by 10. they created a lot of open looks just didnt hit then, Mack was 2-4 from deep before he went out...........and you are so right about Duke not putting together a game like this all season. so true. plus this is the biggest stage, no help whatsoever from the refs in this one (unlike almost every regular season game and vs Baylor)............Butler is that good folks, they would finish top 3, maybe top 2 in any conference in the nation. Plus the final 4 nerves Butler was supposed to have never came about and the 2nd game of a weekend is always the less nervy. This is fade the public time like never before.Originally posted by jgrayComment -
i would guess duke will be favored by 5Comment -
To the people talking about the great Butler defense..wasn't WVU going to be the team with the best defense that was going to slow Duke down? Yet Duke destroyed them.Comment -
Yes, it is a mismatch.Originally posted by busher33
Butler couldn't get in the paint vs Michigan State, a relatively "small" team compared to Duke. Butler's gameplan after watching gametape will most certainly be pass, pass, pass, and take the first open shot they get. That shot will likely be a jumper or a 3 point shot, problem is that Butler is a average 3 point shooting team and Duke is #1 in the country in defending the 3 point line.
Duke just completely killed West Virginia on the boards and I have no reason to believe why they won't do it vs Butler too.
Butler's "Big" is 6'8" Howard and Heyward. The rest of the starters are 6'3", 6'3", and 6'0". Let's see them try and get a shot over Duke's Bigs are 7'1" Zoubek, TWO 6'10" guys (Plumlee bros), TWO 6'8" guys (Singler and Thomas), and their big guards 6'5" and 6'2".
There is a reason why Duke's defense is so good. Simply because its tough to drive it in vs Zoubek and their other bigs and if they decide to shoot jumpers/3's then they have to shoot over someone who is 3-5 inches taller than they are.
Butler has to be flawless shooting wise on Monday. They have to get Duke in foul trouble, and hope that Duke's shooters go cold from the 3 point line. That is the only way they keep this close. They also can not Duke get second chance points, something I simply don't see them stopping. This isn't Wisconsin-Green Bay, Butler backers. This is a legit team. They played damn well vs Syracuse and K-State. I had Butler beating Michigan State. I acknowledge they are a real good team and no cinderella - but they simply don't match up well vs Duke. They just dont. Of course anything can happen with 18-22 year old kids, but I simply see this being a repeat of the West Virginia game.
Duke is simply too big. Too experienced. They will win.Comment -
Nailed it. This is a complete mismatch on paper.Originally posted by mv09Comment -
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Why are guys still guessing the line?
I wish I could have Duke -4.5 or -5.
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Originally posted by mv09
MV09 has nailed the analysis.
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KState and Syracuse didnt have any size? Maybe not Duke's size but when you factor in wingspan and vertical id take a 6'8 black dude over a 6'10 white guy as far a defensive ability..........Zou will be a problem but brad stevens will space out on defense and take away a direct pass out of the post to a potential 3-pt shooter making zou shoot or dribble. other than the zou mismatch i cant see any others cause their arent any. open 3's for scheyer, lmfao, nored and company will be all over him. singler better light it up or they lose outright
this game is all about short term memory and public perception. duke hit open 3's and Butler missed them. If Mack doesnt cramp and miss the 2nd half they shoot better and beat MSU by 10 and this Duke line is -4.5. He was 2-4 b4 he got injured and their offense struggled without their 2nd best player.
Butler is equal to purdue with hummel (hayward=hummel) and Duke struggled to beat purdue without hummel. I hope Duke goes in buying the hype cause they are going to get an awful lof of resistanceComment -
Butler beat Syracuse, because Syracuse simply did not come to play. Not to take anything away from Butler but Syracuse had 18 turnovers, loss the lead early, and when they regrouped and started playing like the real syracuse, it was too late. Syracuse played much better in the 2nd half with a +6, but Butler's defense is simply too good to expect to win when you fall behind by double digits.Originally posted by KingKolzig
KState and Syracuse didnt have any size? Maybe not Duke's size but when you factor in wingspan and vertical id take a 6'8 black dude over a 6'10 white guy as far a defensive ability..........Zou will be a problem but brad stevens will space out on defense and take away a direct pass out of the post to a potential 3-pt shooter making zou shoot or dribble. other than the zou mismatch i cant see any others cause their arent any. open 3's for scheyer, lmfao, nored and company will be all over him. singler better light it up or they lose outright
this game is all about short term memory and public perception. duke hit open 3's and Butler missed them. If Mack doesnt cramp and miss the 2nd half they shoot better and beat MSU by 10 and this Duke line is -4.5. He was 2-4 b4 he got injured and their offense struggled without their 2nd best player.
Butler is equal to purdue with hummel (hayward=hummel) and Duke struggled to beat purdue without hummel. I hope Duke goes in buying the hype cause they are going to get an awful lof of resistance
Duke looked like crap vs Purdue (in the 1st half), but I think it was more of Duke clumsy mistake rather than Purdue stopping Duke. Duke had 45 rebounds, 15 offensive vs Purdue's 22 rebounds 4 offensive. Difference was turnovers. Duke has 14! turnovers and I believe most of them were in the 1st half.
The Purdue game is a good example of the two sides of Duke that it will take to win/lose this game. If Duke comes out sloppy and cold shooting-wise, like they did in the 1st half vs Purdue, then it will be a close game. If they play like they did in the 2nd half, regrouped & shooting well, they will roll Butler.
It all goes back to what I was saying, the only team that can beat Duke tomorrow is Duke. If Duke plays sloppy and shoots terribly, it will be close. If we see the Duke that we've seen almost every game this year - it will be over fairly early
I think we will see the latter.
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If Scheyer doesn't beat them, then Nolan and Singler will. You can't contain all 3. Too many weapons for Duke.Originally posted by KingKolzig KState and Syracuse didnt have any size? Maybe not Duke's size but when you factor in wingspan and vertical id take a 6'8 black dude over a 6'10 white guy as far a defensive ability..........Zou will be a problem but brad stevens will space out on defense and take away a direct pass out of the post to a potential 3-pt shooter making zou shoot or dribble. other than the zou mismatch i cant see any others cause their arent any. open 3's for scheyer, lmfao, nored and company will be all over him. singler better light it up or they lose outright this game is all about short term memory and public perception. duke hit open 3's and Butler missed them. If Mack doesnt cramp and miss the 2nd half they shoot better and beat MSU by 10 and this Duke line is -4.5. He was 2-4 b4 he got injured and their offense struggled without their 2nd best player. Butler is equal to purdue with hummel (hayward=hummel) and Duke struggled to beat purdue without hummel. I hope Duke goes in buying the hype cause they are going to get an awful lof of resistanceComment -
Originally posted by mv09Butler beat Syracuse, because Syracuse simply did not come to play. Not to take anything away from Butler but Syracuse had 18 turnovers, loss the lead early, and when they regrouped and started playing like the real syracuse, it was too late. Syracuse played much better in the 2nd half with a +6, but Butler's defense is simply too good to expect to win when you fall behind by double digits.
Duke looked like crap vs Purdue (in the 1st half), but I think it was more of Duke clumsy mistake rather than Purdue stopping Duke. Duke had 45 rebounds, 15 offensive vs Purdue's 22 rebounds 4 offensive. Difference was turnovers. Duke has 14! turnovers and I believe most of them were in the 1st half.
The Purdue game is a good example of the two sides of Duke that it will take to win/lose this game. If Duke comes out sloppy and cold shooting-wise, like they did in the 1st half vs Purdue, then it will be a close game. If they play like they did in the 2nd half, regrouped & shooting well, they will roll Butler.
It all goes back to what I was saying, the only team that can beat Duke tomorrow is Duke. If Duke plays sloppy and shoots terribly, it will be close. If we see the Duke that we've seen almost every game this year - it will be over fairly early
I think we will see the latter.
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1. Syracuse came to play. It wasnt the NBA regular season where teams mail it in from time to time, it was the Sweet 16 against a team on a 20+ game winning streak.
2. Purdue who played without an NBA first rounder could have won that game. Duke pulled away but if Hummel was there, completely different story.
3. Butler can beat Duke, they will be the 2nd or 3rd best team Duke will play this season. The best team they played, Baylor, should have beaten them but got robbed. The refs will not help Duke out an inch monday night. I do think Duke will win, but in a very tight game cause Butler will not be handing anything to them.
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They certainly didn't mail it in, but if I remember correctly they had more turnovers than points at one point. They just were sloppy and did not look mentally prepared for that game. As soon as they starting playing a little smarter, they outscored Butler. It was too late by then.Originally posted by KingKolzig
As for the Purdue game, I personally never at one point thought that Purdue was going to win that game. Duke was playing horrible and it was a tie game at the half. I felt at the time that Duke was beating themselves and Coach K would snap them out of it at halftime, which he did. Elite teams rarely put up sloppy 1st and 2nd half's.
Same goes with the Baylor game. Baylor had a run late in the first half to end the half with a lead, but it was Duke's game to lose. They won by 7 despite Baylor putting an excellent performance, Singler shooting 0/10 for the 3 point line and having a terrible shooting night overall as a team at 36%. Baylor's zone and aggressive style of ball, as well as a poor shooting night kept the game close but as soon as Duke starting making their shots they put the game out of hand. The only team that can beat Duke on Monday is Duke. Poor shooting & foul trouble. Butler could cover, but if they played 100 times - Duke would win 88-93 of those matchups.Comment
