Tom Izzo: has there been a more consistent/successful coach

lakerboy · 03-27-10, 01:47 AM

You cant argue with Hoopy? Not worth it. Hey hoopy brother last year i told you the lakers would repeat and you were busy laughing saying they were the worst team to win the title in decades. Now from what i have read lately out of you they cant be beat in a 7 game series. HMMMM - sounds like an about face- i mean all they did was add Artest and lost Ariza while the cavs were busy trying to acquire anything that moved. Have i been reading wrong ? Please clarify yourself my good friend. Thank You.

hoopster42 · 03-27-10, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

You cant argue with Hoopy? Not worth it. Hey hoopy brother last year i told you the lakers would repeat and you were busy laughing saying they were the worst team to win the title in decades. Now from what i have read lately out of you they cant be beat in a 7 game series. HMMMM - sounds like an about face- i mean all they did was add Artest and lost Ariza while the cavs were busy trying to acquire anything that moved. Have i been reading wrong ? Please clarify yourself my good friend. Thank You.

if bynum comes back healthy and pao and kobe are healthy, you guys cannot be beaten in a 7 gm series. last yr's series win over the magic is not what impressed me - it was the series win over the surging nuggets. i have come around big time on the lakers. they are the team to beat until someone can prove otherwise. now, if you guys have a limping pao, kobe, or bynum, you will NOT win the title, just like you did NOT in 08 when the celtics wiped the floor w/you when bynum was out. you need the big 3 in there in order to win it all.

hoopster42 · 03-27-10, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Hey, I'm not the one who talked about Izzo in a "better" conference like the Big East -- that was you.

Dude, the Big East crashed and burned in this year's tournament. And if I remember correctly, MSU knocked both Louisville and UConn out just 12 months ago in the Elite 8 and FF.

uconn was not the same w/out dyson and l'ville was overrated (they nearly lost to freaking siena in the 2nd rd last yr), but still they were nice wins for izzo and the boys. now, what about 98, 99, and 2001? what happened in THOSE final 4's?

hoopster42 · 03-27-10, 02:01 AM

2002 through 2008 - 7 ncaa tourneys, and what did izzo's teams do those 7 yrs? let's not let last yr's run and this yr's make us forget the prior 7 yrs. i don't wana criticize the guy 'cause he's a GREAT coach, but he's not better than coach K through an entire CAREER. coach K has been down for a while but dont forget, he did make the final 4 in 2004 and lost by 1 pt to the evenual champ uconn and now, 6 yrs later, he's primed for yet another final 4. NO MODERN DAY COACH has achieved what coach K has in his long and illustrious coaching career, not even izzo...........not roy williams, not bobby knight (retired i know but not long ago), jim calhoun, jim boeheim, etc

hoopster42 · 03-27-10, 02:04 AM

coach k has 3 nat'l championships and 10 final 4's, and coaches 8 miles away from another top 5 ncaa program EVER (north carolina) who had dean smith there most of coach k's yrs and now has roy williams. 3 nat' titles and TEN FREAKING final 4's!!! that's incredible! izzo has 1/3 the nat'l titles and only HALF the final 4 visits..............please stop before i continue dicing you up

StraitShooter · 03-27-10, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

every player that has ever stayed in school for 4 years with him at MSU has been to a Final Four

how bout that for a recruiting one liner?

13 straight years to the dance

33-11 all time record in the tourney with MSU.....

guy is not an egomanic like most of the other "great" ncaa coaches, and goes under the radar...he just works hard and coaches talent into winners

wow great stat

jjgold · 03-27-10, 06:16 AM

Coach K has has not beat a 4 seed or higher in ncaa tourney in 8 years until yesterday

I think he gets better talent than Izzo therefore his great record

Chi_archie · 03-27-10, 08:27 AM

wait, hoopy are you saying the Big Ten wasn't good in hoops in the 80's and mid 90's?

HOT WINGS · 03-27-10, 11:44 AM

I remember in 2004 when MSU beat #1 seed Duke in the sweet 16 as a #5 seed. Another game MSU was counted out against and another W Duke choked away. 1988-1992 was Duke's era when Coack K brought them to 5 straight final 4's. The other 23 years he's been coaching has resulted in 5 other Final 4's and 1 Championship about the Same thing Izzo did in his first 14 years as a coach. Will see where Izzo is after another 14 years as far as matching up to Coach K and Duke. Get with me in 2024 MSU is just getting started....

konck · 03-27-10, 12:16 PM

Im not sure about the talent but Izzo can get this team to the finals

No coincidences · 03-27-10, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

coach k has 3 nat'l championships and 10 final 4's, and coaches 8 miles away from another top 5 ncaa program EVER (north carolina) who had dean smith there most of coach k's yrs and now has roy williams. 3 nat' titles and TEN FREAKING final 4's!!! that's incredible! izzo has 1/3 the nat'l titles and only HALF the final 4 visits..............please stop before i continue dicing you up

K's been around since 1980; Izzo since 1996. You do realize that, don't you?

No coincidences · 03-27-10, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

uconn was not the same w/out dyson and l'ville was overrated (they nearly lost to freaking siena in the 2nd rd last yr), but still they were nice wins for izzo and the boys. now, what about 98, 99, and 2001? what happened in THOSE final 4's?

Yeah, the No. 1 overall seed in the tournament was overrated. OK.

You seem to be great at cherry-picking stats and defending the down years for K, then going after Izzo with the exact same rhetoric. The fact that this can even be debated shows how close Izzo is to being the best, and again, he hasn't even been around for half the time K has.

talnted · 03-27-10, 12:32 PM

h to the izzo is the man, what can we say...

hoopster42 · 03-28-10, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by No coincidences

K's been around since 1980; Izzo since 1996. You do realize that, don't you?

actually his yr started fall 95, but that's neither here nor there. we'll see where they both stand when it's said and done

Straight Cash · 03-28-10, 04:18 PM

Shortstop · 03-28-10, 04:23 PM

Izzo!

hoopster42 · 03-28-10, 10:09 PM

izzo: 1 nat'l title in 14 seasons
coach k: 3 nat'l titles in 29 seasons

1 guy is once every 14, the other guy is once every 9.6 yrs

Yi · 03-28-10, 10:33 PM

Izzo is great coach because he understands the most fundamental key to winning basketball game is to win the battle of rebounds.

No coincidences · 03-28-10, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

izzo: 1 nat'l title in 14 seasons
coach k: 3 nat'l titles in 29 seasons

1 guy is once every 14, the other guy is once every 9.6 yrs

Obsessed much? Hearing footsteps?

Bumping a thread that stopped six hours ago just to make this "point"....

hoopster42 · 03-28-10, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Yi

Izzo is great coach because he understands the most fundamental key to winning basketball game is to win the battle of rebounds.

and he is a great DEFENSIVE coach as well. izzo is a GREAT coach, but not better than coach k RIGHT NOW. coach k has 11 final 4's and 3 nat'l titles. it doesnt matter how LONG you coach, its HOW MUCH you win in your CAREER.

squintz4 · 03-28-10, 10:57 PM

izzo and coach k are both great coaches, cant take anything away from either one of them

krk1030 · 03-28-10, 11:02 PM

He just always seems to have talented verteran guys year after year, which is hard to do.

podunk · 03-28-10, 11:08 PM

Izzo is a great coach...gets his guys to play as a team...i think they win this thing

Jon825 · 03-29-10, 12:32 AM

izzo is proof that coaches can affect a team as much as any number of good player's

pat venditto · 03-29-10, 12:33 AM

hoopster42 · 03-29-10, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by podunk

Izzo is a great coach...gets his guys to play as a team...i think they win this thing

they were fortunate they did not have to play kansas or ohio st. maryland, no iowa and tenn are no ku or ohio st. ku just got caught on the chin w/a perfect punch by no iowa. if mich st gets by butler, they will suffer the same fate as last yr, losing in the final gm to superior duke or w.virginia. however, GREAT coaching job by izzo to get a MASH unit to play well together and win these last 2 gms

seaborneq · 03-29-10, 12:19 PM

Simply, YES. Izzo has been outgunned every time but once in getting to the final four. Most years he didn't have the top talent or had to will his team to get there. Think of who he has lost to in the Final Fours in order, Duke and Number 1 pick Brand X, Will Avery, C Magette and T Langdon, A loaded AZ team with RJeff, Loren Woods, G Arenas, and Michael Wright, UNC with Sean Maye, Felton, #3 Marvin Williams, and last year he lost to UNC's Hansborough, D Green, Ty Lawson, and W Ellington. So he is bringing a knife to a gun fight when he gets to the Final Four. That is never the case for Coach K. Let's not leave out Roy Williams in this argument as quirky as he is.

seaborneq · 03-29-10, 12:21 PM

Why is everyone leaving out Roy Williams? I can't stand the bastard but if he were at Carolina the past 20+ years and not at Kansas for over half of the 20+ he may have 5 rings. He has the Final Fours.