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  • 2daBank
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    • 01-26-09
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    #1
    2/17 ncaa hoops
    we finally got some winter weather so im back to having some time, this week at least.


    lsu+3.. this basically the same as the uga gm in my eyes. better team catching points thanx to A@M compiling a decent little record mostly on the backs of scrubs.. im just not a buyer in this team, they dont do anything particularly well, their defensive numbers ok but i think that comes from playing a schedule that hasnt including a lot of tough gms..

    i guess there is one major difference and that is AM did beat lsu at lsu a month ago. couple ways to look at that, i mostly just choose to write it off as lsu being the inconsistent pain in the asses they are. after a slow start the tigers owned AM the rest of the 1st half and went in with a 40-32 lead. the next 10 minutes after half lsu increases it to a 11 point lead with around 10 minutes left , from that point forward tigers manage just 8 points the rest of the gm and manage to get clipped by 3 in a gm they controlled for 30 minutes..how they managed that or why it happened i couldnt tell ya, their inconsistent guards played like shit which isnt all together unusual.

    the biggest difference now is these last 3 gms the freshman patterson has started supplanting gray at the point and that shit couldnt come soon enough. not only can gray not shoot he also a turnover machine. the difference has been pretty clear as tigers beat bama handily, gave uk everything they wanted, and maybe most importantly went and handed a ass whipping to the vols in the kind of gm they been dropping all yr because of there lack of a pg worth a fukk. pattersons assist rate may not be great yet but ill tell ya what has happened these last 3 gms, the right guys been touching the ball, that would be mickey who prob one of best 4s in the country, hornsby who has played better at the 2 since gray hit the pine, and their other big martin. patterson actually has the best offensive rating on the team. as this has happened quarterman has actually been getting a lot of assist and more involved. whatever the case may be the important thing is gray isnt gonna be in gms long enough to screw up the offense..

    ive said all year i thought lsu could be scary good if they could get any kind of consistency from their guards, of coarse that mantra had begun to switch to "lsu is a pg away", turns out that pg may have already been there, or it addition by subtraction. either way the team i love to ride but always worry about is one road win at AM away from making me a full fledged believer again. imo the gap between these teams is significant if they both play their A games, AM doesnt have a answer for mickey and martin down low and while their guards have some size they not shooters, mickey had 7 blocks the 1st meeting but what AM did well was the guards penetrated and when mickey came over they dropped it off for the only easy buckets they got. id like to say the main culprit in that situation was gray as well but i dont know that for a fact. bottom line is house on the wing the only guy AM has that scares you on the perimeter to space the floor, tigers held AM to 41% shooting from inside the arc and there was room to impove.. on the other end with patterson in the lineup lsu has 3 guys that are at least servicable shooters that have to be respected (3s been dropping at much better clip of late), so now if you choose to pack in a zone to stop the bigs tigers have the answer they were lacking at times throughout the year..

    ol piss started it earlier this month, uga continued it. now AM is gonna get exposed here against the tigers, if not their next gm at scary, then again at ark. i honestly feel like AM is very similar to tcu except they were able to hide longer in the sec with a lot of weaker teams.


    looks like a decent card so will post more as i play them. as always look forward to hearing what everyone else is thinking., questions bout any other gms, ect ect, you know the drill..
  • 2daBank
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    • 01-26-09
    • 88966

    #2
    wake+11.5.. wasnt sure if i should wait here, prob a chance nd takes some more money and this gets to 12 or so. im comfortable here tho and not sure ill be free to be watching lines during the day, rather take now and risk not getting more than wait and risk losing any.. i really dont think this a double digit gm. WF has some nice pieces, they may be inconsistent and they seem to struggle against the lock down defensive teams in the conf, but make no mistake this team can score and ND not one of those defensive stalwarts..

    this gm presents some really interesting matchups across the board. this young center from wake is a 6'10 kid that is shooting 40% from behind the arc. on defense he gonna seriously have his hands full defending auguste's bulk down low but good luck to zach trying to check mitoglou who gonna be taking him behind the arc pulling the irish only rim protector and size away from the paint...it doesnt end there cause the irish have their undersized 3 point shooting big man at the 4 while wake has another big but thomas is their big bodied rebounder and post presence, another scenario where one guy gonna have his hands full defending a more perimeter oriented player while on the other end connaughton will be dealing with a bigger stronger boy who like to rebound. the interesting thing about these 2 matchups is obviously switching up makes a ton of sense for all parties involved, however i think this may be a bigger disadvantage to nd as mitoglou can get out on connaughton and i would assume really effect his shot as he has a lot of length on the nd forward. while again on the other end he should be able to shoot over the top of the much shorter connaughton.. the interesting thing bout this from wakes perspective is last season thomas didnt have the help of mitoglou, thomas himself played very well both gms against whichever of the irish defended him as he avg 20 ppg leading wake past them twice (obviously nd improved from last season ), so i already know it doesnt matter who nd wants to defend thomas with as he gonna get his vs this front line.

    grant clearly didnt play those gms against wake as he was out the entire year and there no denying he a difference maker, kid is the truth, has a great assit/to ratio running the point and is a kobe like assassin when his team needs a bucket. wake pg is no slouch himself and this another matchup im looking forward to as mcintyre has enough size and abiltiy to hold his own..

    bottom line to all this is wake has some weapons, i didnt even mentioned wilbekin or wakes couple young long wings who can also stroke it a little bit. this team isnt far from being a lot better than their record and it has shown lately as some of these youngsters are coming into their own knocking off some of the mid tear teams in the conf, pushing duke and ville till deep into the second half before falling short, taking cuse and fsu to one or more ots on the road, and playing clem down to the wire at clem, and just falling short at uva their last time out. dont let the record fool ya, there talent here and talent that can score. we know about NDs offense and that why the line where it is, just dont be surprised when wake is going toe to toe with them before they eventually most likely fall short..
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    • 2daBank
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      • 01-26-09
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      #3
      if you come by this thread today silvertonguefox or anyone else that knows the answer. HOW the fukk did uga blow a 9 point lead with 4 and change to go against auburn? guessing that was during valentines day is why i dont know what happened.. just curious as dont see much reason not to play uga today other than the fact dunno if i wanna lay 6 with a team that wasnt a model of consistency before this incident of giving a home gm away to Aub.
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      • Heandog
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        • 12-30-09
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        #4
        Great write ups .You got my attention .
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        • GT21Megatron
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          • 12-20-13
          • 10818

          #5
          i really like Notre Dame here. Don't think Wake has the scoring to keep up with Notre Dame on the road. Wake has kept it inside this number the past 5-6 road games but all been against offensivey inept teams, Clemson, GT, FSU, Cuse. Just don't see them being able to keep up here
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          • trobin31
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            • 01-09-14
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            #6
            Just wonder the effect of having an entire week off for the Irish will play out. Will they come back rusty or with fresher legs allowing them to attack more on defense. Judging by how well they played earlier in the season I am assuming they come out energized and looking to set the tone down the final stretch, especially as they have not been able to win convincingly recently. If ND doesn't come in here well rested I'd be right here with you bruh but seems like a terrible spot for wake forest here. I am also getting the sense losing these close games is started to wear down on them. Guess we'll see which way the line goes....
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            • 2daBank
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              • 01-26-09
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              #7
              Originally posted by GT21Megatron
              i really like Notre Dame here. Don't think Notre Dame has the scoring to keep up with Notre Dame on the road. Wake has kept it inside this number the past 5-6 road games but all been against offensivey inept teams, Clemson, GT, FSU, Cuse. Just don't see them being able to keep up here
              that one way of looking at it, another is that those teams all play pretty solid d, maybe with the exception of fsu who im not real sure bout this yr.. they were up on ville and puke going into the final 6 minutes or so as well. unc was the only team that just jumped on them and didnt look back.. wake has players who can score and NDs defense is worse than every team you mentioned.. to each is own, id pass before id lay double digits with a team that hasnt shown the ability to separate from the BC's, ncst, mia's, gtechs of the world ..
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              • 2daBank
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                • 01-26-09
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                #8
                Originally posted by trobin31
                Just wonder the effect of having an entire week off for the Irish will play out. Will they come back rusty or with fresher legs allowing them to attack more on defense. Judging by how well they played earlier in the season I am assuming they come out energized and looking to set the tone down the final stretch, especially as they have not been able to win convincingly recently. If ND doesn't come in here well rested I'd be right here with you bruh but seems like a terrible spot for wake forest here. I am also getting the sense losing these close games is started to wear down on them. Guess we'll see which way the line goes....
                they have won 3 of their last 5, they mostly freshman and underclassmen that improving. i dont think they looking to come up here and quit.. didnt get that impression at uva the other day and dont see it with 1st year coach trying to turn a program around..

                no idea what the week off does, certainly doesnt scare me. there a reason ND doesnt put teams away, that hard to do when you play shit defense, dont control your defensive glass, or get to the ft line.. they could take a year off and none of that gonna change..
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                • Heandog
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                  • 12-30-09
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                  #9
                  Got anything on the SD.St vs the New Mexico, Lobos are tuff at home nobody likes to go into the Pit.
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                  • 2daBank
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                    • 01-26-09
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Heandog
                    Got anything on the SD.St vs the New Mexico, Lobos are tuff at home nobody likes to go into the Pit.
                    i guess i lost track of lobos for a minute cause when i went to look at that gm i was kinda curious why they getting spanked by the entire conf outside of sjst who doesnt count?? i guess it was a pretty bad stretch of mostly road gms,, id feel better with few more points. this gonna be one low scoring mfer.. looking to see if i can find any more for new mex than the 42 they put up at sdst. shshhhh
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                    • 2daBank
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                      • 01-26-09
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                      #11
                      greenwood shooting way too much for the clip he missing them at.. he either needs to pass or make some.
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                      • 2daBank
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                        • 01-26-09
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Heandog
                        Got anything on the SD.St vs the New Mexico, Lobos are tuff at home nobody likes to go into the Pit.
                        they prob liked it less when they were going to the pit to face a good team. i honestly dont know man, i looked earlier and didnt feel happy with anything i came up with, tried again but all i see is a gm lobos gonna have to hold them below 53 to cover cause they gonna be hard pressed to cross the 50 point mark. if you like them id hold out a while. feels like there room for that line to climb to round 5. maybe there it gets interesting just cause it be like getting 8 with offensively capable teams.
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                        • SilverTongueFox
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                          • 11-23-10
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by 2daBank
                          if you come by this thread today silvertonguefox or anyone else that knows the answer. HOW the fukk did uga blow a 9 point lead with 4 and change to go against auburn? guessing that was during valentines day is why i dont know what happened.. just curious as dont see much reason not to play uga today other than the fact dunno if i wanna lay 6 with a team that wasnt a model of consistency before this incident of giving a home gm away to Aub.
                          Banker, poor shooting. Really poor shooting by both teams in 1st half.. If I recall UGA 5 made figs 1st half 20% from field. AU lead most of game. UGA made a run to build a lead then AU had their run last 4min. UGA Got sloppy with the ball and Harrell got hot & hit 3 consecutive treys to erase the lead. Just a really bad shooting day, then sloppy final few min. Not sure why UGA wasn't pounding ball inside. AU in the bonus with 12min to play and kept settling for jump shots.

                          Not sure if you saw JJ Frazier out with fractured orbital/concussion. JJ had been playing with fractured hand. Maten, Thornton and now Frazier have suffered concussions. Parker still out leaves really Mann & Gaines as only viable guards. UGA cant get or stay healthy.

                          SC likes to pressure and turned UGA over quite a few times and without JJ and nothing from bench I worry about UGA guard play in this one. UGA Had a horrible shooting day in Columbia but did get to line a bunch. They still better than SC, and at home, and revenge and if I knew they would get ball inside but I haven't convinced myself I can back them tonight.
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                          • GT21Megatron
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                            • 12-20-13
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by 2daBank
                            that one way of looking at it, another is that those teams all play pretty solid d, maybe with the exception of fsu who im not real sure bout this yr.. they were up on ville and puke going into the final 6 minutes or so as well. unc was the only team that just jumped on them and didnt look back.. wake has players who can score and NDs defense is worse than every team you mentioned.. to each is own, id pass before id lay double digits with a team that hasnt shown the ability to separate from the BC's, ncst, mia's, gtechs of the world ..
                            Both duke and LVILLE were at home. Wakes defense scares nobody either though. It's a lot harder to weather those scoring storms at home then on the road. I mean PITT beat Notre Dame so anything can happen but I just don't know where Wake is gonna get the points to keep up here...the thing is Notre Dame has The big in the middle to neutralize Wakes big and best player. Just don't like this matchup at all for the Deacs....I hope your passing on Texas also man. Sooooooo bad that team
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                            • GT21Megatron
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                              • 12-20-13
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                              #15
                              I like St John's and Michigan...will be playing both these
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                              • Lucky1g
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                                • 12-10-10
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                                #16
                                2da...just poppin in to show u some respect. Great write ups and thoughts.. very few posters on this forum are as sharp and loaded with hoops knowledge as u are. I like your wake forest pick. Not sure I'll play it but it is an early lean for me as well...

                                heres to continued success
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                                • GT21Megatron
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                                  • 12-20-13
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                                  #17
                                  I think Tennessee is getting to many as well
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                                  • 2daBank
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by GT21Megatron
                                    Both duke and LVILLE were at home. Wakes defense scares nobody either though. It's a lot harder to weather those scoring storms at home then on the road. I mean PITT beat Notre Dame so anything can happen but I just don't know where Wake is gonna get the points to keep up here...the thing is Notre Dame has The big in the middle to neutralize Wakes big and best player. Just don't like this matchup at all for the Deacs....I hope your passing on Texas also man. Sooooooo bad that team
                                    wake power forward thomas was basically inside by himself last year and put up 20 a gm in 2 gms vs nd. now he has that long youngster that can pull augustene away from the paint, that dude cant neutralize what wakes center does, i mean he wont be easy to stop either but i aint worried about any of the softies on nd neutralizing anyone.. i have no clue what makes ya think nd defense is capable of stopping a team that has some good young players on it that can shoot and a decent pg leading them? wf has 4-5 guys that are capable shooters and they been shooting it pretty well lately, nd much like the rest of the court doesnt defend the 3 point line either. personally i think you think way way to much of their fake ass #10 asses. wake puts up 70 and just like pit hung within the number of uva yesterday all thru the whole gm this will be much the same..

                                    oh and yea i actually lean sooners, just not sure i wanna play it. i been done with tex sorry coached quitin asses. beating up the shitbags of the big 12 aint impressing me, even when i thought horns could be good i knew that ou a terrible matchup for them..
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                                    • 2daBank
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                                      • 01-26-09
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by SilverTongueFox
                                      Banker, poor shooting. Really poor shooting by both teams in 1st half.. If I recall UGA 5 made figs 1st half 20% from field. AU lead most of game. UGA made a run to build a lead then AU had their run last 4min. UGA Got sloppy with the ball and Harrell got hot & hit 3 consecutive treys to erase the lead. Just a really bad shooting day, then sloppy final few min. Not sure why UGA wasn't pounding ball inside. AU in the bonus with 12min to play and kept settling for jump shots.

                                      Not sure if you saw JJ Frazier out with fractured orbital/concussion. JJ had been playing with fractured hand. Maten, Thornton and now Frazier have suffered concussions. Parker still out leaves really Mann & Gaines as only viable guards. UGA cant get or stay healthy.

                                      SC likes to pressure and turned UGA over quite a few times and without JJ and nothing from bench I worry about UGA guard play in this one. UGA Had a horrible shooting day in Columbia but did get to line a bunch. They still better than SC, and at home, and revenge and if I knew they would get ball inside but I haven't convinced myself I can back them tonight.
                                      right on, thanx bro.. honestly i would have bet uga @scary if thorton was playing then. im growing less confident in them as time goes on tho, the bright side of that is it told me A&M really shouldnt hang with the tigers if lsu actually puts together a solid gm..

                                      think im just leaving it alone, i hate teasing hoops but i could make a case for a uga/Ou tease that id feel pretty good bout..
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                                      • 2daBank
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                                        • 01-26-09
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Lucky1g
                                        2da...just poppin in to show u some respect. Great write ups and thoughts.. very few posters on this forum are as sharp and loaded with hoops knowledge as u are. I like your wake forest pick. Not sure I'll play it but it is an early lean for me as well...

                                        heres to continued success

                                        appreciate it my man..
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                                        • 2daBank
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                                          • 01-26-09
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by GT21Megatron
                                          I think Tennessee is getting to many as well
                                          now i feel like you fukkin with me. you telling me ND not laying enough to a young improving team but uk is laying too many to a miserable Vols team? uk scores 60 they cover. i aint playing it but gl with that..
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                                          • bestone109
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                                            • 01-31-14
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                                            #22
                                            I like st johns to I think they actually win the game they have been hot lately and need this game in confrence
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                                            • HeeluvaGuy
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                                              • 02-15-14
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                                              #23
                                              Not sexy, but has anyone looked at this Clev St/WCU game?

                                              Odd spot for CSU ... Played Froday (in Detroit) and Sunday (in Clev). Travelled to Cullowhee, NC yesterday for this late-season OOC game? (Dunno if they had a charter, but Clev to Cullowhee is not a direct flight ... I think Asheville is the closest airport).

                                              CSU has UWGB this Friday in GB most likely for sole possession of second place in the Horizon. Can't imagine they're real motivated for this one.

                                              Line is CSU -4. I'm wondering if WCU +2 1h isn't a play here.
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                                              • 2daBank
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                                Not sexy, but has anyone looked at this Clev St/WCU game?

                                                Odd spot for CSU ... Played Froday (in Detroit) and Sunday (in Clev). Travelled to Cullowhee, NC yesterday for this late-season OOC game? (Dunno if they had a charter, but Clev to Cullowhee is not a direct flight ... I think Asheville is the closest airport).

                                                CSU has UWGB this Friday in GB most likely for sole possession of second place in the Horizon. Can't imagine they're real motivated for this one.

                                                Line is CSU -4. I'm wondering if WCU +2 1h isn't a play here.
                                                i gave it a pretty good look,, didnt realize their travel details that you pointed out. i leaned w. car and prob would have thought bout it more but then line moved and it aggravated me, figured id wait and see if it goes back up off name recognition. my memory sux at times so i could be wrong but i wanna say cle st makes a habit of coming out sluggish even at home when they favs. might wanna check cause not 100% but sounds like something they do..
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                                                • 2daBank
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by bestone109
                                                  I like st johns to I think they actually win the game they have been hot lately and need this game in confrence
                                                  no interest, they could win. bothers me how poor they been defensively this yr and for some reason it asking too much for them to clean up the defensive glass. gtown gonna slow that scoring rate they been on against some of the softer defenses in the conf, what happens then? gtown getting good looks or second chance points and those streaky mf'in johnnies are launching 3s and hoping, they been shooting it well so not saying you wrong. i just rather the road team im backing be certain things and johnnies are almost all those things i dont like in a road team,. poor rebounders, below avg defense, and at times 3 point reliant.
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                                                  • HeeluvaGuy
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                                                    • 02-15-14
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                    i gave it a pretty good look,, didnt realize their travel details that you pointed out. i leaned w. car and prob would have thought bout it more but then line moved and it aggravated me, figured id wait and see if it goes back up off name recognition. my memory sux at times so i could be wrong but i wanna say cle st makes a habit of coming out sluggish even at home when they favs. might wanna check cause not 100% but sounds like something they do..
                                                    CSU is 5-11 ATS as a fave. Got a site where I can look at 1h ATS stats?
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                                                    • 2daBank
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                                      CSU is 5-11 ATS as a fave. Got a site where I can look at 1h ATS stats?
                                                      nope,, im gonna go out on a limb and tell ya quite a few times of those 11 they were decent sized favs and got down in 1st, then came back and won but not by the number.. pretty sure ive bet them multiple times like that where i wait till half with hopes of getting better line.. ive also played dogs 1st half a few times against them so pretty sure they who i think they are.
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                                                      • HeeluvaGuy
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                                                        #28
                                                        That's my memory too, but like you I'm afraid to trust it. Haha. Thanks for the input.
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                                                        • 2daBank
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by GT21Megatron
                                                          I like St John's and Michigan...will be playing both these
                                                          i tried to talk myself into johnnies, couldnt do it even with the help of that 7 dangling out there like a carrot. think it prob wind up really close to the number one way or the other...

                                                          really didnt bother too much with sparty/mich.find it strange there was a lot to like bout UM but again i didnt try much to get involved,
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                                                          • DOM_Toretto
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                                                            #30
                                                            MSU-4 is a total bargain @ UofM. But Dom, last game went to OT in EL! Yes, and 5'9" spike beiber shot ridiculously good and their Muslim shot light years better than his norm. MSU out rebounded the shit out of mich, Dawson had his way with the soft white guys down low, and Spartans went to the line A LOT on a team that usually doesn't foul. And Spartans never get to the line. That's a great sign.

                                                            I'd like to hear you guys talk about bama laying 1 @ auburn; idk who can guard Randolph. Meanwhile bama got the bigger bodies to battle with bowers for boards.

                                                            And wichy laying 11 on the road against a terrible siu swuad who would prob just forfeit if given the chance...
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                                                            • UKuk#2015
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                                                              #31
                                                              DOM the card looks very nice tonight all your points are right on FIRE AWAY tonight !!!!
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                                                              • 2daBank
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                                                                #32
                                                                It not important that the gm went to ot Dom, really doesn't matter who won, well not as much as it does how it got there and the likely hood of both teams to be able to increase or decrease there output from that gm (same way I talked bout butler creighton, that usually my biggest angle capping rematches) I will look, I figured if I look it would be spArty or nothing and wasn't sure I wanted to back them against a team that looks like a dumpster fire on a short lookin line.
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                                                                • DOM_Toretto
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  For everybody on St Johns - looks like Obekpa and Harrison are 'probable' for tonight. If either one is playing like their hurt, or gets limited minutes, they don't stand a chance.
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                                                                  • bestone109
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                                                                    • 01-31-14
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    May I ask where you seen the news on st johns
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                                                                    • 2daBank
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by DOM_Toretto
                                                                      For everybody on St Johns - looks like Obekpa and Harrison are 'probable' for tonight. If either one is playing like their hurt, or gets limited minutes, they don't stand a chance.
                                                                      i guess im in minority but far as winning the gm i dont think their chances good with everyone at full health. cover maybe,. i think it be played pretty close to the number..
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