1/5 ncaa hoops discussion

[2daBank]

one gm for now then im going to sleep..


hoosiers+9..sparty continuing to get too much respect here if ya ask me. they have yet to beat a quality team and while i do think they probably get the w here i dont see them covering this number (if we being honest id be less shocked by a indy win than a msu cover)... not only is sparty not the team they typically are they have played a much different style this season, actually getting up and down the court a little bit. getting a shot off in under 17 seconds on avg, that kind of tempo is gonna play right into how indy prefers a gm to go and they have the offense to be able to go toe to toe with sparty in this kind of gm imo.. this was a 5 point gm in east lancing last season and i think it pretty fair to say the team catching points is the improved one..

thread started, ill be back sometime 2marro to discuss rest of card.. go go go

[itsshaggy]

like indy 1h. they start stronger I think. bet them a few times 1h and all easy winners. like UNC too. most likely will ride my hawks one more time getting 5. like golden state. and if texas is the real deal like they have been playing the 6 points should be nothing to cover.

Most likely will only play one or two games tomorrow. turn 50 into 1825 since friday so I need to relax and cash out on tuesday

[THam12]

I like indy 1H. If its around 5.

Also need to look into notre dame... if they take care of tge ball there is no reason they dont cover.

Also lile texas. Its IT back they are a dangerous (even more so then before) team. And i dont think okie is all that. Texas defense something special

[Filmoz]

Here is what I posted in my college hoops thread re the ND/UNC game tonight:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/2995997-filmoz-ncaa-bb-2014-15-thread-p5.html#post23334449

UNC -8.5 -110 3x

Books open with 11-3 UNC as an 8.5 pt favorite against a 14-1, higher-ranked Notre Dame team.

ND's record comes against mostly weak competition. Best win is a one-point overtime victory at home against a Michigan State team that has since fallen from the rankings. Sole loss is a one-point, highish-scoring affair against a decent Providence, on a neutral court. Offensively they have been very productive, but defensively very mediocre. They have predictably blown out all the cupcake opponents. Halfway decent lesser opponents have scored in at least the sixties. And similar level opponents have all put up 70+. Their rebounding has not been very good. They have multiple guys who can and do shoot the three and they are hitting at a decent percentage, however they have not shot the three particularly well against their strongest opponents.

UNC has had some ups and downs so far, but that's typical of Roy Williams-coached UNC teams. Their sole home loss this season was a tightly contested, low-scoring affair against a very solid Iowa team. Not a bad loss. Good wins against Florida and Ohio State. Won against UCLA who was ranked at the time but now has been sucking, but they did blow them out regardless. They are very productive offensively, putting up 80+ ppg similar PPG to ND, probably more productive than ND adjusting for strength of competition. They are a great rebounding team, do not shoot the three ball well and do not really take as many threes in the first place. Spread the ball around well.

Big situational factors here. This is Notre Dame's first true road game, and they are going into a tough road environment at UNC, in one of these early-in-the-new-year games where nearly all of the students are back and packing the arena, especially when hosting a higher-ranked opponent. ND is also coming off a double-OT win just yesterday. UNC played yesterday as well, but it was an easy victory at Clemson, and they are now coming home. Books opened the line so high for a reason. This is a classic spot situation you see repeated season after season.

UNC should get off to a fast start. ND could keep up and make it a high-scoring track meet type game to keep it close, but I think UNC will be able to contain them defensively. The environment should affect ND, likely to see them be off on the 3-point game and just all-around out of sync. UNC gets off to an early lead and runs away with it.

[THam12]

Here is what I posted in my college hoops thread re the ND/UNC game tonight:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/2995997-filmoz-ncaa-bb-2014-15-thread-p5.html#post23334449

UNC -8.5 -110 3x

Books open with 11-3 UNC as an 8.5 pt favorite against a 14-1, higher-ranked Notre Dame team.

ND's record comes against mostly weak competition. Best win is a one-point overtime victory at home against a Michigan State team that has since fallen from the rankings. Sole loss is a one-point, highish-scoring affair against a decent Providence, on a neutral court. Offensively they have been very productive, but defensively very mediocre. They have predictably blown out all the cupcake opponents. Halfway decent lesser opponents have scored in at least the sixties. And similar level opponents have all put up 70+. Their rebounding has not been very good. They have multiple guys who can and do shoot the three and they are hitting at a decent percentage, however they have not shot the three particularly well against their strongest opponents.

UNC has had some ups and downs so far, but that's typical of Roy Williams-coached UNC teams. Their sole home loss this season was a tightly contested, low-scoring affair against a very solid Iowa team. Not a bad loss. Good wins against Florida and Ohio State. Won against UCLA who was ranked at the time but now has been sucking, but they did blow them out regardless. They are very productive offensively, putting up 80+ ppg similar PPG to ND, probably more productive than ND adjusting for strength of competition. They are a great rebounding team, do not shoot the three ball well and do not really take as many threes in the first place. Spread the ball around well.

Big situational factors here. This is Notre Dame's first true road game, and they are going into a tough road environment at UNC, in one of these early-in-the-new-year games where nearly all of the students are back and packing the arena, especially when hosting a higher-ranked opponent. ND is also coming off a double-OT win just yesterday. UNC played yesterday as well, but it was an easy victory at Clemson, and they are now coming home. Books opened the line so high for a reason. This is a classic spot situation you see repeated season after season.

UNC should get off to a fast start. ND could keep up and make it a high-scoring track meet type game to keep it close, but I think UNC will be able to contain them defensively. The environment should affect ND, likely to see them be off on the 3-point game and just all-around out of sync. UNC gets off to an early lead and runs away with it.

Good stuff

[HeeluvaGuy]

It's going to be very emotional tonight in Chapel Hill after the passing of Stuart Scott. That type of thing can go either way, so I'd be very careful playing that game.

Otherwise, nice write up.

[Filmoz]

It's going to be very emotional tonight in Chapel Hill after the passing of Stuart Scott. That type of thing can go either way, so I'd be very careful playing that game.

Otherwise, nice write up.

I would definitely put that factor as being more conducive to UNC playing well.

[GT21Megatron]

I like Texas

[dotheopposite]

What about Elon tonight?

[THam12]

I am struggling a littlw with the card today.

I do like indy for 1h and game.

Like william & mary.

Lean texas but okie has been pretty good.

Not sure west virginia can cover at t tech.

Over in mercer/VMI game looks pretty tasty at 155.

Not sure how iowa is 10.5 pt faves over anyone really....theyre such a question mark of a team. But them again so is braska.

[2daBank]

think the thing with iowa is they have so much depth and neb basically has none. not saying id lay that number with them but understand why it where it is cause neb is barely 7 deep and pretty much screwed anytime petteway gets into foul trouble..

[THam12]

think the thing with iowa is they have so much depth and neb basically has none. not saying id lay that number with them but understand why it where it is cause neb is barely 7 deep and pretty much screwed anytime petteway gets into foul trouble..

Absolutely correct

Im thinking im gonna play indy 1h and game.
and tge over in mercer vmi 1h and game. What u think of that over banker?

[2daBank]

Absolutely correct

Im thinking im gonna play indy 1h and game.
and tge over in mercer vmi 1h and game. What u think of that over banker?

i made it higher but it one of those where i feel like it almost suspiciously low, and for reasons beyond me it dropped even more since open?? they scored 170 when they played last month at mercer where you would think it would have been more likely to be little slower pace than at vmi. vmi gms rarely stay under 150, hell they rarely stay under 170. yet this one is sitting at 150? like i said suspiciously low imo.. lean vmi with the line move but i could just as easily live w/o playing it..

[RollinDo]

I am going with Indy +9, but then putting Mich St. in 2nd part of an IF Win parlay. I don't see Spartans losing 2 straight at home.

[THam12]

i made it higher but it one of those where i feel like it almost suspiciously low, and for reasons beyond me it dropped even more since open?? they scored 170 when they played last month at mercer where you would think it would have been more likely to be little slower pace than at vmi. vmi gms rarely stay under 150, hell they rarely stay under 170. yet this one is sitting at 150? like i said suspiciously low imo.. lean vmi with the line move but i could just as easily live w/o playing it..

Hate those suspicious lines... lol

[2daBank]

I am going with Indy +9, but then putting Mich St. in 2nd part of an IF Win parlay. I don't see Spartans losing 2 straight at home.

did you see them losing to texas southern? just saying, this aint the same sparty team of years past..

[THam12]

did you see them losing to texas southern? just saying, this aint the same sparty team of years past..

And not one team has been able to slow down indy yet...

[2daBank]

i really dont like much on the card either ham.. i think mercer/vmi is basically a coin flip so some value on vmi ml i guess..

[THam12]

i really dont like much on the card either ham.. i think mercer/vmi is basically a coin flip so some value on vmi ml i guess..

Tough card. Some good games just nothing i have a real strong lean on.

Maybe indy game; indy 1h; mercer vmi over 1h; over game....

[RollinDo]

Tough card. Some good games just nothing i have a real strong lean on.

Maybe indy game; indy 1h; mercer vmi over 1h; over game....

THam - you agree that Hoosiers could win the game?...just contemplating whether to put Mich. St. in a ML parlay.

[GT21Megatron]

I really think that Indiana is a damn sucker play just like Ohio state was laying close to the same number against Illinois ....I know that Indiana isn't illinois but you know what I'm saying....1st half might be a good play....I am really curious of what the Toledo line will be tomorrow against 11-1 central Michigan

[THam12]

THam - you agree that Hoosiers could win the game?...just contemplating whether to put Mich. St. in a ML parlay.

Yea. I totally agree. Indy can beat anyone the way they shoot the rock.

[THam12]

I really think that Indiana is a damn sucker play just like Ohio state was laying close to the same number against Illinois ....I know that Indiana isn't illinois but you know what I'm saying....1st half might be a good play....I am really curious of what the Toledo line will be tomorrow against 11-1 central Michigan

Illinois has no point guard.
You cannot compare indy to illy and nich state to oh state.

[GT21Megatron]

Michigan State struggled so bad to score against Maryland but I think Marylands Defense was the reason for that....Indiana defense isn't good...what's the over sitting at?

[GT21Megatron]

The students back for Michigan State tonight? That matters IMO....they weren't there for the MD game also

[2daBank]

THam - you agree that Hoosiers could win the game?...just contemplating whether to put Mich. St. in a ML parlay.

no sane person is gonna say hoosiers cant win. there a reason there odds on gms, anyone can win it just a matter of how good their chances are. so really your question should be does sparty win at least as often or preferably more often than odds suggest? imo the answer is no on this one..

[2daBank]

I really think that Indiana is a damn sucker play just like Ohio state was laying close to the same number against Illinois ....I know that Indiana isn't illinois but you know what I'm saying....1st half might be a good play....I am really curious of what the Toledo line will be tomorrow against 11-1 central Michigan

who the hell had any desire to back illi in that gm? i certainly didnt..

[GT21Megatron]

who the hell had any desire to back illi in that gm? i certainly didnt..

Nobody but we saw how bad OSU was when Iowa cooked em and then they came back and lit up Illinois....I just don't see why Mixhigan State should be favored that high at all against anyone right now after watching them against MD

[eddycash]

rollindo stay away from msu ml its worthless, and stop hedging everything lol

[2daBank]

i do hate popular dogs tho so i know what you saying.. i just didnt care with this one..

[2daBank]

Nobody but we saw how bad OSU was when Iowa cooked em and then they came back and lit up Illinois....I just don't see why Mixhigan State should be favored that high at all against anyone right now after watching them against MD

i didnt know why they were favs at all vs terps to be honest with you.. really feel like you trying to compare apples to oranges with those osu gms and these sparty gms. i dont really understand how they similar in any way? from the sounds of it i also think you putting far too much emphasis on the last gm you saw, one gm is practically meaningless to me and has pretty much no effect on a line..

[survive]

The students back for Michigan State tonight? That matters IMO....they weren't there for the MD game also

No...classes start next Monday

[2daBank]

someone tell me why nd/unc played such low scoring gms by their standards when they faced each other last season?

[THam12]

I am starting to really like tex tech....
good defensive team. Some experience. Good head coach.

[2daBank]

I am starting to really like tex tech....
good defensive team. Some experience. Good head coach.

id be all about it if stanton didnt play, i dunno his status is tho..i dont hate it if he does play, i think it tech or nothing for sure..