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No coincidences · 03-28-14, 01:17 PM

A No. 4 seed is favored by 2 over a No. 1 seed and you think the line is fishy because the No. 1 seed is "only" +2?

jtoler · 03-28-14, 01:19 PM

What should the line be farm?

RavensFan2k3 · 03-28-14, 01:49 PM

Yeah Im not sure Im following your logic

mcdonae101 · 03-28-14, 01:55 PM

Lol, he relates michigan state to the heat and is betting the other side.....what have the heat done the last 2 years.....only won a championship. Dumbest analogy ever

violivei12 · 03-28-14, 02:06 PM

Poor logic here.

farmhouse1 · 03-28-14, 02:07 PM

That was last 2 years not this year buddy

Originally posted by mcdonae101

Lol, he relates michigan state to the heat and is betting the other side.....what have the heat done the last 2 years.....only won a championship. Dumbest analogy ever

farmhouse1 · 03-28-14, 02:07 PM

Virgina should be favored

jtoler · 03-28-14, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by farmhouse1

Virgina should be favored

Based on what? Because Virginia is a 1 seed and State is a 4?

jnanayoga · 03-28-14, 03:41 PM

I would say based on the numbers. UVA is ranked higher in terms of points per possession offensively and also better in points given up per possession defensively. This team added a freshman point guard and some transfers at the beginning of the year it took some time to gel. Since Jan 1st UVA has had the best BPI in the country. They have been blowing out the ACC all year and at the pace they play a 15 point win is analogous to a 20 point win for most other teams

That being said MSU's numbers do not accurately reflect what the team is capable of, or their recent performance, due to the injuries.

If you were to look the numbers for the entire season for both teams UVA would be the favorite.

No coincidences · 03-28-14, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by farmhouse1

Virgina should be favored

Yes they should, based on the fact that they're a No. 1 seed if nothing else.

The fact that they aren't wouldn't make me overly confident if I were backing UVA.

I think the game's a total toss-up, so who knows.

Big Bear · 03-28-14, 03:49 PM

First of all this is the sweet 16. I wouldnt put too much stock into who the public on...

This game will not be fixed.

And I disagree that the line is fishy. Virginia is a #1 seed.

They are playing a better team though and MSU should be favored.

jtoler · 03-28-14, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Yes they should, based on the fact that they're a No. 1 seed if nothing else.

The fact that they aren't wouldn't make me overly confident if I were backing UVA.

I think the game's a total toss-up, so who knows.

What does seeding have to do with anything.

jnanayoga · 03-28-14, 04:00 PM

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/is-virginia-the-least-respected-great-team-in-college-hoops-history/

I remember watching a segment on who out of the ACC had the potential to make some noise in the NCAA tourney. This was just before UVA beat Syracuse to win the regular season. At this point UVA had won 13 straight and in very convincing fashion.

Gasaway didn't even mention UVA. He talked a lot about Duke and the Cuse and mentioned Pitt and UNC as possible sleepers for a deep run. This is the kind of respect this team has gotten from the media all year

RavensFan2k3 · 03-28-14, 04:45 PM

I feel like this years UVA is like my Hurricanes of last season...dominant season...won the ACC out right aswell as the ACC tournament, alot of hype, then we get beat by this tough, veteran Marquette team in the tournament, actually in the sweet 16 I believe.

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 05:33 PM

ACC is trash. UVA didn't beat anyone out of conference. They were lucky to get the game against Memphis in Raleigh which is ACC country. Basically was a home game. I still can't get over UVA scoring 38 points against Wisconsin...

jnanayoga · 03-28-14, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by GT21Megatron

ACC is trash. UVA didn't beat anyone out of conference. They were lucky to get the game against Memphis in Raleigh which is ACC country. Basically was a home game. I still can't get over UVA scoring 38 points against Wisconsin...

Much different team in December, and you know that is true. MSU gets a pass b/c they have a new lineup but you wont extend same courtesy to UVA when they have 3 new players; Gil, Brogdon, and a freshman pointguard trying to learn a new system and develop chemistry early in the season. SMU would be a quality win out of conference. While the ACC was not as strong as it usually is, it was certainly not "trash". Poor showing in the tournament I will admit but it looks like the ACC .500 teams may be playing for the NIT championship. Not exactly a mark of garbage conference.

Also, lucky to get Memphis in Raleigh? You have to be joking. UVA was pulling starters with about 10 min to play, up by 27. Memphis got it handed to them. It is comical to suggest the venue had anything to do with the beating they took.

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by jnanayoga

much different team in december, an you know that is true. Msu gets a pass b/c they have a new lineup but you wont extend same courtesy to uva when they have 3 new players; gil, brogdon, and a freshman pointguard trying to learn a new system and develop chemistry early in the season. Smu would be a quality win out of conference. While the acc was not as strong as it usually is, it was certainly not "trash". Poor showing in the tournament i will admit but it looks like the acc .500 teams may be playing for the nit championship. Not exactly a mark of garbage conference.

nit=not invited tournament......HAHAHA REALLY STRONG CONFERENCE BRO
you dont bring up michigan st playing with a banged up squad basically since november either. Go figure. You didnt respond to my pm message either....acc hasnt been strong since reddick was playing.

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 06:44 PM

ACC TEAMS
DUKE BOUNCED 1st round
UNC lucky to get past Providence....2nd round exit
UVA pushed to the max against a 16 seed until late and than beats Memphis in basically a home game.
Cuse loses to Dayton.....lost to Gt( aids bad) and BC (aids bad) both at home
Pitt lost to Florida but this was the weakest Pitt team that I can remember.....

its not a good conference anymore bro. It's just not

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 06:47 PM

Acc in on the decline is why they reached out to pitt and cuse to try and revive it....i remember when gt was the force in the acc and wake was tough....those days are long gone

jnanayoga · 03-28-14, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by GT21Megatron

nit=not invited tournament......HAHAHA REALLY STRONG CONFERENCE BRO
you dont bring up michigan st playing with a banged up squad basically since november either. Go figure. You didnt respond to my pm message either....acc hasnt been strong since reddick was playing.

MSU's injury woes was exactly what I was referring to with the lineup changes i mentioned in the first sentence. I agree, MSU's numbers don't reflect who they are now. I've said that before.
Apparently I can't send PMs until I get to a certain number of posts

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 06:52 PM

GO FLORIDA ST AND CLEMSON!!!

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 06:56 PM

UVA IS THE WORST #1 since I can remember man. Can they win.....sure.....crazier things have happened but Michigan st has the better guys at every position and this isn't a 1st round game anymore. Good luck man....ur gonna need a lot of it IMO

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 07:02 PM

VCU MADE THE FINAL FOUR FOR CHRIST SAKES.....

KRIT · 03-28-14, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by GT21Megatron

UVA IS THE WORST #1 since I can remember man. Can they win.....sure.....crazier things have happened but Michigan st has the better guys at every position and this isn't a 1st round game anymore. Good luck man....ur gonna need a lot of it IMO

Gonzaga last year was worst imo. I'm not all that down on UVA, I just think they're playing the best team in the nation today.

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by KRIT

Gonzaga last year was worst imo. I'm not all that down on UVA, I just think they're playing the best team in the nation today.

Double down on Michigan St bro

jnanayoga · 03-28-14, 07:08 PM

I'm not going to argue anymore, the game will be on soon enough. I really don't understand though how you can so down on a team with a defense ranked 5th in efficiency and offense ranked 20th in efficiency, regardless of your opinion of the ACC.

The better guys argument seems to be the hang up with ESPN as well. I guess we will see how much it matters in a couple hours.

GT21Megatron · 03-28-14, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by jnanayoga

I'm not going to argue anymore, the game will be on soon enough. I really don't understand though how you can so down on a team with a defense ranked 5th in efficiency and offense ranked 20th in efficiency, regardless of your opinion of the ACC.

The better guys argument seems to be the hang up with ESPN as well. I guess we will see how much it matters in a couple hours.