not so super tues discussion

[2daBank]

not a great card but lot better than yesterday at least as i decided to bask in the glow of the destruction of the most overrated qb of all time, i know ya'll love him and somehow bought into the garbage that a noodle arm qb should even be discussed as the goat. maybe im crazy but while yea what that papi johns slinging phony does at the line is remarkable i just got this thing bout the qbs i consider the greatest all have 1 thing in common and it not rings, where im from a qbs job is to throw the fb so yes while there certainly other things to consider i refuse to put a noodle arm qb in my top 5! ok last time i talk bout it, thank you legion of boom for giving me a performance ill tell my grand kids bout, this was better than all the nail biters of late cause if peyton lost close there be more excuses that just sound stupid now..(i understand im being extreme and peyton in my top 7 for sure, however im not being any more extreme than every asshole at the party i was at saying "once peyton wins this gm it will seal the deal as goat" lmao)..on to hoops..

ok i really like clemson and dont have a problem with -7 but seems like a line that might get bet down (if a 6.5 pops up im playing them, playing them either way tho).. clemson has been 7 points better than everyone they played at home excluding fsu but fsu a tough matchup for them with their length and excellent defense (they did return the favor at fsu tho) including puke.. last year they were only 3 points better both gms but both gms clemson owned the 1st 30 min and tech made a push the final 10 to make it look close which is big considering tigers were god awful from the charity stripe last season and now are among the better ft shooting teams so i think they will control game much like last seasons contest but this time they will finish tech off from the line, also imo clem is greatly improved while gtech is basically the same team. think they will be hard pressed to score more than 50 here while clem should get into the 60s..

illini, total, or nothing in that game.. there no way in hell i would back wiscy here, let me tell you why.. wiscy cannot stop guard penetration for shit so if rice, bertrand, and abrams attack the rim they will have success.. could be a thing where over is a good play again. i understand not wanting to back illini and i dont really either but that 1st gm wiscy just got out on them fast and it was over, after the initial 10 minute onslaught (at a time wiscy was playing very good ball still btw) illini played with them rest of way for the most part, clearly the fact wiscy was working with a 19 point lead 10 minutes in might have had something to do with it but i just dont see the way they are playing now pouring on the same kind of start here. as bad as it was there were some positives, illini did have 25 freaking offensive boards, of coarse you have to be missing a lot of fukkin shots for that to happen but it also makes you think they def have some things going in their favor on the offensive end.. tough gm, if you made me play it id play illini but again i know it not a easy thing to do, if they dont win this gm they may not win another gm rest of season..

ok ya'll been getting on me for not starting these threads last week (was really freaking sick, the days i did gamble i just didnt have the energy or desire to post) so now i started it so lets get the participation going! please keep peyton comments to a min and only if you have something useful to say about a game today, while im making rules lets not just post "team A is " that shit helps no one it says discussion thread so if you cant discuss it post it somewhere else

[2daBank]

think ku will drop this gm even tho i really dislike baylor,, ku just so young and this little tex 2 step not easy, it is certainly reflected in the line tho cause it crazy i got more with the longhorns than i can get in this gm! hopefully no one hits baylor till ku gets bet up a little more..

[mikmik]

My book was ku - 4 now it's - 3.5

[2daBank]

My book was ku - 4 now it's - 3.5

BOL opened it ku-2 and it been on the rise since. heritage and 5d just went to -4..not sure who your book is but they will go back to 4 i think as ppl line up to take ku at a short number..

[2daBank]

wiscy/illini ov 128.5.. i feel like they daring me with this number after the way last gm went but i think this several points short,, knowing me it will be 126 by tip, on the bright side it prob wont matter, hopefully

[mikmik]

I'm on Baylor. Can you check my thread and give me opinions

[2daBank]

gun to my head id say gators cover the big number vs mizzou, i hate double digit spreads tho!!

[No coincidences]

illini, total, or nothing in that game.. there no way in hell i would back wiscy here, let me tell you why.. wiscy cannot stop guard penetration for shit so if rice, bertrand, and abrams attack the rim they will have success.. could be a thing where over is a good play again. i understand not wanting to back illini and i dont really either but that 1st gm wiscy just got out on them fast and it was over, after the initial 10 minute onslaught (at a time wiscy was playing very good ball still btw) illini played with them rest of way for the most part, clearly the fact wiscy was working with a 19 point lead 10 minutes in might have had something to do with it but i just dont see the way they are playing now pouring on the same kind of start here. as bad as it was there were some positives, illini did have 25 freaking offensive boards, of coarse you have to be missing a lot of fukkin shots for that to happen but it also makes you think they def have some things going in their favor on the offensive end.. tough gm, if you made me play it id play illini but again i know it not a easy thing to do, if they dont win this gm they may not win another gm rest of season..

This is the worst Wisconsin defense I've ever seen. They have no identity.

[No coincidences]

think ku will drop this gm even tho i really dislike baylor,, ku just so young and this little tex 2 step not easy, it is certainly reflected in the line tho cause it crazy i got more with the longhorns than i can get in this gm! hopefully no one hits baylor till ku gets bet up a little more..

I didn't mind backing Texas Saturday (did for a decent amount), but I'm not sure about Baylor. Drew is a horrific coach.

[2daBank]

This is the worst Wisconsin defense I've ever seen. They have no identity.

i cant believe they set the total so low, i mean i get it cause of each teams pace but neither d is a good matchup for the offenses, im sure it be much lower than last time but i think it takes 70 to win.. sux cause i kinda wanna play illini as well but hate betting side and total in same gm..

seems like most ppl i respect disagree with me on clem, on the bright side that prob means ill be able to get them -6 maybe

[2daBank]

I didn't mind backing Texas Saturday (did for a decent amount), but I'm not sure about Baylor. Drew is a horrific coach.

it kinda dumb to play baylor in a way even tho i think they right side, simply cause if tex was +4 baylor should be +6 but as i said im sure they factoring the difficulty of the tex 2 step with a really young team, not to mention i thought tex gm shoulda been pk..i fukkin hate baylor, at some point you gotta blame the coach as he has had a lot of players come thru and every damn year they turn it over 20% or their possessions, you would think maybe they would work on that!! their saving grace may be that ku is turnover prone themselves (really only weakness, they fix that they a final 4 team)..

[No coincidences]

i cant believe they set the total so low, i mean i get it cause of each teams pace but neither d is a good matchup for the offenses, im sure it be much lower than last time but i think it takes 70 to win.. sux cause i kinda wanna play illini as well but hate betting side and total in same gm..

seems like most ppl i respect disagree with me on clem, on the bright side that prob means ill be able to get them -6 maybe

I want to take Illinois as well, but Wisconsin -- like Clemson -- is a team that burns me constantly.

Wisky had to build this team around Dekker, who is talented offensively but plays zero D. So they did, and early on, they were able to run a little and show off their "new look." Problem is, once the season settles into the Big Ten grind, the Badgers are forced to play more in the half court and they have completely lost their way. They're unathletic as a whole, which isn't new, but they're also very fundamentally flawed defensively. That's not going to change. Illinois isn't very good, but the Badgers can be had here. Again.

[No coincidences]

it kinda dumb to play baylor in a way even tho i think they right side, simply cause if tex was +4 baylor should be +6 but as i said im sure they factoring the difficulty of the tex 2 step with a really young team, not to mention i thought tex gm shoulda been pk..i fukkin hate baylor, at some point you gotta blame the coach as he has had a lot of players come thru and every damn year they turn it over 20% or their possessions, you would think maybe they would work on that!! their saving grace may be that ku is turnover prone themselves (really only weakness, they fix that they a final 4 team)..

Baylor definitely has the talent to win this game and compete with anyone, but Drew is basically the equivalent of having an empty chair on the bench once the game starts.

I think Kansas, Florida and Duke are the three most talented teams in the country right now and have the best chance to win a title. With that being said, the Jayhawks are very "weak" (relatively speaking to an elite level) in their guardcourt and taking care of the basketball, which could definitely ruin their March earlier than it should.

[2daBank]

I want to take Illinois as well, but Wisconsin -- like Clemson -- is a team that burns me constantly.

Wisky had to build this team around Dekker, who is talented offensively but plays zero D. So they did, and early on, they were able to run a little and show off their "new look." Problem is, once the season settles into the Big Ten grind, the Badgers are forced to play more in the half court and they have completely lost their way. They're unathletic as a whole, which isn't new, but they're also very fundamentally flawed defensively. That's not going to change. Illinois isn't very good, but the Badgers can be had here. Again.

they had me fooled like a mf'er coming into conf play. but i drastically reevaluated them after the indy gm where i thought line was way short and they got whipped, you know the saying "fool me once shame on somebody, aint fooling me again" (funny i cant remember which way that goes, damn drugs, lol).. yea i think illini guards will be able to do same thing yogi and pretty much every guard since him has done and get whereva they want.. Ryan and Brey have the worst defenses ive ever seen a team coached by either this season..

[2daBank]

Baylor definitely has the talent to win this game and compete with anyone, but Drew is basically the equivalent of having an empty chair on the bench once the game starts.

I think Kansas, Florida and Duke are the three most talented teams in the country right now and have the best chance to win a title. With that being said, the Jayhawks are very "weak" (relatively speaking to an elite level) in their guardcourt and taking care of the basketball, which could definitely ruin their March earlier than it should.

all matchups, they run into a vcu or any other team that hounds you they will be in trouble, at same time think they have the best front court in country.. duke is becoming scary good but they have no depth up front..no clue with gators cause they never healthy and now they feasting on the sec scrubs, they will be least tested team this side of the shockers which not good imo.

[irish1]

I didn't mind backing Texas Saturday (did for a decent amount), but I'm not sure about Baylor. Drew is a horrific coach.

I agree with you, he is a horrible coach. He has Austin playing like he is a guard. He should have Austin posting up players and if he doesn't know how than its time to teach him. With his size there is no reason for him not to be getting 17ppg and 10rpg. Austin is 7'1" and he doesn't even grab 6 rebounds a game, he also only averages 10ppg, that is a disgrace. Whose fault is it? The coach, he sucks, get rid of him. Last game against Kansas Austin had 5 rebounds, that's a joke just like the coach.

[No coincidences]

all matchups, they run into a vcu or any other team that hounds you they will be in trouble, at same time think they have the best front court in country.. duke is becoming scary good but they have no depth up front..no clue with gators cause they never healthy and now they feasting on the sec scrubs, they will be least tested team this side of the shockers which not good imo.

Agree the SEC is a joke and it's going to be hard to call Florida battle tested once the tourney starts.

This tourney's going to be crazy. A lot of upsets. I don't see an elite team or even close to one out there. I also like San Diego State -- they're tough, and the Thames kid is legit.

[chunk]

I have to agree. Drew may be the worst major college coach in the country. He knows how to waste decent talent, that's for sure.

[2daBank]

wiscy/illini ov 128.5.. i feel like they daring me with this number after the way last gm went but i think this several points short,, knowing me it will be 126 by tip, on the bright side it prob wont matter, hopefully

somethin wrong with the world today when id rather line moved against me than in my favor,, already creeping up on 130s, all it means is im not the only asshole that thought they came short and we all prob wrong, lol.. maybe it get to like 134 and i can try to middle..

looks like im gonna be playing some sides and totals on same games today..

gtech/clem un 120.. these real low ones usually go up a few points but im cool here..like i said bout this gm i think tech struggles to break 50 as i have this score 62-52 which turned out to be incredibly close to kp number dont usually mind when i agree with him...

[BobbySugar]

Things to consider: Drew against Self; KU got routed in Waco last game of the regular season last year; KU just lost

Forget all this other crap about turnovers and KU being young. Those things are negated when you play Baylor because they are so poorly coached. This game will be about the 'will to win'. I fully expect KU to bring their 'A' game here. After losing to UT and getting dominated down low and on the glass, coach Self will make it a point for them to be efficient in the post tonight. Baylor finally got some swagger back in their win against a soft ass Okie St team and normally you'd think that could catapult them in the right direction, but they will get a whole different beast tonight in the fact the the Jayhawks aren't just going to lie down like the Cowboys will. Hawks already avenged their embarrassing loss to TCU from last year earlier this year and I expect them to do the same tonight, getting that ass-whopping taste they took last year in Waco out of their mouth. Also expect the KU defense to play with intensity and purpose after letting Horns get to the hoop at will on Saturday.

KU 72-59

[BobbySugar]

And for what it's worth, I was on Baylor the first time they were in Lawrence this year as 10 point dogs. They rolled into Lawrence after KU had just beaten Oklahoma State and they were in a huge let down spot, which definitely showed. KU's mind-set will be on the complete opposite end of the spectrum tonight and will be ready

[chunk]

I was surprised that the Kansas line wasn't 4 or 4.5....maybe the scheduling situation. If there's a live dog tonight, I think it's Ohio St to get a little pay back at Iowa.

[2daBank]

Things to consider: Drew against Self; KU got routed in Waco last game of the regular season last year; KU just lost

Forget all this other crap about turnovers and KU being young. Those things are negated when you play Baylor because they are so poorly coached. This game will be about the 'will to win'. I fully expect KU to bring their 'A' game here. After losing to UT and getting dominated down low and on the glass, coach Self will make it a point for them to be efficient in the post tonight. Baylor finally got some swagger back in their win against a soft ass Okie St team and normally you'd think that could catapult them in the right direction, but they will get a whole different beast tonight in the fact the the Jayhawks aren't just going to lie down like the Cowboys will. Hawks already avenged their embarrassing loss to TCU from last year earlier this year and I expect them to do the same tonight, getting that ass-whopping taste they took last year in Waco out of their mouth. Also expect the KU defense to play with intensity and purpose after letting Horns get to the hoop at will on Saturday.

KU 72-59

dude there like 2 guys that get minutes on ku that have any taste in their mouths from last season. the whole team freaking freshman and 1 soph so i doubt they have any thoughts of "revenge" and avenging a tcu loss? really? more like tcu is stir fried shit and the talented ass freshman rolled them up like any ku team would 999 times out of 100..

no idea what makes you think either team will "want it more"? im not big on that angle but the fact that it already predetermined ku gonna win this conf and baylor could use a big win here i think you got it twisted who this gm important to, not that ku will "want it" any less cause i try not to bother with that but it clear if you gonna use that angle you ass backwards with who it favors tonight..

Self will love it when they drop this gm cause then you right he will have tons of teaching points when they get home and why i say there a good chance this be ku last loss of the season,, they whip baylor tonight and go back home feeling themselves still then Self has to worry bout his young team not paying attention, they lose this gm i feel sorry for their next few opponents..

who knows as i said i dont trust baylor and they even more turnover prone than ku but i also know it more likely the turnovers haunt the road team, that a this a tough 2 gm stretch for a young team that already feels like kings of the div, and baylor could really use another quality win.. i dunno if i bet baylor but i think betting ku tonight is a long term loser, doesnt mean they wont win tonight tho....gl

[2daBank]

wiscy/illini ov 128.5.. i feel like they daring me with this number after the way last gm went but i think this several points short,, knowing me it will be 126 by tip, on the bright side it prob wont matter, hopefully

gtech/clem un 120.. these real low ones usually go up a few points but im cool here..like i said bout this gm i think tech struggles to break 50 as i have this score 62-52 which turned out to be incredibly close to kp number dont usually mind when i agree with him...

fla-12.. i hate spreads this big so you been warned but i just dont think mizzou has what it takes to make this a gm in a place better teams than them have been trucked.. the biggest issue here is tigers only have 2 bigs and they both young and foul prone, i think gators will attack them and they be riding the pine for long stretches then mizzou in serious trouble cause gators will kill them on the glass and down low while tigers are settling for jumpers....

[BobbySugar]

Doesn't matter. That's the difference between good and bad coaching and schools with pride and without. Self said before the TCU game that those young guys didn't have a feel for what happened in last years game, but by the time game day was there, they had seen the tape enough to know they needed to dominate. It's not just that they lost to Baylor last year, it's the way they lost. It was embarrassing. If we are talking NBA, then revenge doesn't mean anything and usually in college it doesn't mean much, but under certain circumstances, it is a huge factor.

Self doesn't need teaching points anymore. That is what the SD St and Texas games did. When KU doesn't show up and get out-worked, they are going to lose. That won't happen 2 games in a row. Their focus is on winning the B12. Agreed, it can go either way and maybe (MAYBE) in the long run, Baylor is the bet (although they should never be a good bet with how careless they are), but I follow KU basketball closely and tonight isn't the night to bet against KU on a short number. That opportunity already passed on Saturday.

[2daBank]

I had tex ats and ml on Saturday and it wasn't a short number sat it was inflated to hell, tonight I agree it a little short and why ill prob pass even tho I think ku loses ... you really don't seem to understand how teams that have mainly freshman playing most the minutes tend to operate, sdst loss was great for them but then they go into conf play and run thru everyone and get told how great they are all over again, if this was a more seasoned group I wouldn't even be considering this after tex gm, I do agree there will be more effort tonight than that contest but I also think when u young and turnover prone (which they are) sometimes extra effort leads to extra mistakes in a hostile enviromrnt against a team u already beat by 10 and needs the game far more than u. This gm isn't gonna in any way effect them winning the conf, if I know that so do they..

You are again talking bout freaking tcu! Beating tcu does not mean anything in anyway ever!

personally i think ku is a bad play tonight, that all i was saying when i posted it, take it for what it worth, im certainly wrong plenty..

[BiffTFinancial]

JMU, Mizzou, GT/Clemson under for me today Bank. Glad to see you agree on total. May add 1H under once it becomes available. Haven't gotten to Wisky/Illini yet but will take a look at that over when I have time later. BOL tonight pal.

[2daBank]

Originally Posted by 2daBank
wiscy/illini ov 128.5.. i feel like they daring me with this number after the way last gm went but i think this several points short,, knowing me it will be 126 by tip, on the bright side it prob wont matter, hopefully



Originally Posted by 2daBank


gtech/clem un 120.. these real low ones usually go up a few points but im cool here..like i said bout this gm i think tech struggles to break 50 as i have this score 62-52 which turned out to be incredibly close to kp number dont usually mind when i agree with him...





fla-12.. i hate spreads this big so you been warned but i just dont think mizzou has what it takes to make this a gm in a place better teams than them have been trucked.. the biggest issue here is tigers only have 2 bigs and they both young and foul prone, i think gators will attack them and they be riding the pine for long stretches then mizzou in serious trouble cause gators will kill them on the glass and down low while tigers are settling for jumpers....

clem-6.5..i dunno if it gonn go to 6 but already told myself i was playing if it got below -7.. most cats i respect disagree so who knows..

unc-7.5..just tailing a guy that post somewhere else who knows and loves his terps and he likes unc which means so do i, lol..

jeez all chalk? that isnt very much like me! i dunno it is what it is.. i still lean illini, baylor, and maybe osu but i gotta take friend of mine to see his po and and starting to snow its ass off so i dunno if ill have a chance to post them later if i play them. hoping i can get more points with each, ill try and post from my phone if i play all or any of them...little disappointing that the guys that were screaming at me for not starting these arnt here posting any thoughts!!!! thanx to all who participated , welcome bobby sugar, doesnt matter if we agree or not as long as you state your case which you did so hopefully you will stop by on a reg basis as there generally a case to be made for both sides and thread no good with just a bunch of guys agreeing, as of now i hope im wrong and you cash with ku, that is subject to change tho if i have a change of heart or spread rises any more and i play baylor! lol

[buurrdman]

Bank what about Texas vs TCU today currently -9 at my book?

[Sixla]

I like FLA tonight as well, the freshman Chris Walker joins the team tonight. The O'dome will be rocking and an added boost for this Gator squad! Gators were a -12.5 favorite last year at home as well and won by 31!!

[2daBank]

Bank what about Texas vs TCU today currently -9 at my book?

i mean tex could prob name the score if they wanted , numbers wise i see nothing wrong with it..just dont like the idea of a rolling rick barnes team coming off whipping ku and laying a bunch of points on the road to the conf doormat..feels like letdown city, whether that equates to a non cover or not your guess as good as mine.

[Bet10Heinekens]

Rare non-conference game

I feel books underestimating Chattanooga+12, I have this game pegged at 7...E. Kent a solid mid major team

[KRIT]

These are the plays I've got circled. Will likely play all of them if not most of them:

St Johns
Northern Illinois
Illinois
Florida

On the fence with Baylor.

[BobbySugar]

dude there like 2 guys that get minutes on ku that have any taste in their mouths from last season. the whole team freaking freshman and 1 soph so i doubt they have any thoughts of "revenge" and avenging a tcu loss? really? more like tcu is stir fried shit and the talented ass freshman rolled them up like any ku team would 999 times out of 100..

no idea what makes you think either team will "want it more"? im not big on that angle but the fact that it already predetermined ku gonna win this conf and baylor could use a big win here i think you got it twisted who this gm important to, not that ku will "want it" any less cause i try not to bother with that but it clear if you gonna use that angle you ass backwards with who it favors tonight..

Self will love it when they drop this gm cause then you right he will have tons of teaching points when they get home and why i say there a good chance this be ku last loss of the season,, they whip baylor tonight and go back home feeling themselves still then Self has to worry bout his young team not paying attention, they lose this gm i feel sorry for their next few opponents..

who knows as i said i dont trust baylor and they even more turnover prone than ku but i also know it more likely the turnovers haunt the road team, that a this a tough 2 gm stretch for a young team that already feels like kings of the div, and baylor could really use another quality win.. i dunno if i bet baylor but i think betting ku tonight is a long term loser, doesnt mean they wont win tonight tho....gl

Not sure where you are seeing KU 'wants it' more. I just said they'll bring their 'A' game. And no, that's not backward, I can guarantee you this game means more to KU than Baylor. I definitely hear what you're saying and am not trying to be a dick, but I'd be pretty shocked if KU doesn't cover 4. Baylor's win at OSU is somewhat tainted and I think this is actually the inflated number in Baylor's direction. Hawks by 10+

Regarding last years TCU game, I'm not saying they shouldn't have won the game this year. My point is that even though most of the starters weren't on the team when they were upset in Ft. Worth last year, it was drilled into their heads how embarrassing it was to lose. Losing to TCU (or being embarrassed by Baylor by 23 points in Waco last year) might not mean a thing to Kansas State or Tx Tech, but its not something a program like KU, Duke, Michigan State. etc. is going to just forget about and move on. Too much pride at stake.

[2daBank]

Not sure where you are seeing KU 'wants it' more. I just said they'll bring their 'A' game. And no, that's not backward, I can guarantee you this game means more to KU than Baylor. I definitely hear what you're saying and am not trying to be a dick, but I'd be pretty shocked if KU doesn't cover 4. Baylor's win at OSU is somewhat tainted and I think this is actually the inflated number in Baylor's direction. Hawks by 10+

Regarding last years TCU game, I'm not saying they shouldn't have won the game this year. My point is that even though most of the starters weren't on the team when they were upset in Ft. Worth last year, it was drilled into their heads how embarrassing it was to lose. Losing to TCU (or being embarrassed by Baylor by 23 points in Waco last year) might not mean a thing to Kansas State or Tx Tech, but its not something a program like KU, Duke, Michigan State. etc. is going to just forget about and move on. Too much pride at stake.

Well I mean losing to a team ranked like 250th in the country pretty damn embarrassing for the school , especially scoring what 5 points in the 1st half? lol.. Something tells me they don't think of the Baylor loss anything the same cause it isn't, just 1 of several inevitable losses almost every team in history has every year...

There certain little "trips" teams take I think are difficult, in pac12 the Oregon/ore st trip is tough for teams to survive, various others but I'm on phone but u get the point, I just think this a tough little spot in ku schedule for a really young team who's backcourt still little shakey at times.. Maybe they come up big here I tend to think they don't and have a lot of turnovers but not like I don't know they the superior team, I think if they do lose this gm it could easily be last loss of season.. Ultimately I hope I'm wrong cause I just don't trust Baylor enough and feel like it be a little foolish taking the same line with them as I did w tex who I rate much higher so it a pass for me, it was never really gonna be a play I was just mentioning I didn't think ku was a very good bet tonight as I'm sure plenty of ppl think they are, I've been wrong before tho and hope I am and u cash.... Gl