Looking at Ohio State +5.5 and Maryland +7.5 on Tuesday

[No coincidences]

at Iowa and North Carolina, respectively. Anyone agree? Disagree? Pretty thin-looking card.

[wizcodlifa]

Im from iowa. and a Iowa/ oklahoma fan. For each of my teams games i always try to guess what the spreads would be prior to bet on them or against them since i no them well. I predicted 5 for Iowa. So honestly i wouldnt bet it. Iowa can score, Ohio St cant.

[lucullus]

I like the Terapins cover but I'd buy a point or two

[No coincidences]

Two other leans: is Clemson really 7.5 points better than Georgia Tech? And I'd be tempted to take Illinois if it gets to +4 or +4.5 -- Wisconsin is in a little bit of disarray right now.

[wizcodlifa]

Nothing on Kansas/ Texas/ ???? NO COIN?

And personally i was thinking NC. but will porolly stay away now..

[THam12]

Two other leans: is Clemson really 7.5 points better than Georgia Tech? And I'd be tempted to take Illinois if it gets to +4 or +4.5 -- Wisconsin is in a little bit of disarray right now.

As an illini fan, I have to advise you that this is not the year to back illinois. We are so shaky in every aspect. Wisconsin's style of play eats up our weaknesses.

[lion]

As a biased Buckeye fan. I say choose Ohio st. why you ask? Because Hey its Ohio St. Good Luck

[312]

As an illini fan, I have to advise you that this is not the year to back illinois. We are so shaky in every aspect. Wisconsin's style of play eats up our weaknesses.

sounds right man.. the Illini are dying for a post presence that can score.. Kendrick Nunn will be a great player for you guys next year.

[chinoloco212]

I see line value with Ohio St, these teams are about even but Ohio St had that really bad stretch or else the line would be about +2 or +3 for this game

[oldscho0led]

With you on Ohio St. No Coin

Line is +5.5 -104 right now in my book. You think odds will move to +ev?

[grease lightnin]

As an illini fan, I have to advise you that this is not the year to back illinois. We are so shaky in every aspect. Wisconsin's style of play eats up our weaknesses.

Sounds like wisky -3 might be a good play.

[2daBank]

Two other leans: is Clemson really 7.5 points better than Georgia Tech? And I'd be tempted to take Illinois if it gets to +4 or +4.5 -- Wisconsin is in a little bit of disarray right now.

i believe so yes, if anything i think it a little short, clemson has been 7 points better than everyone they played at home excluding fsu but fsu a tough matchup for them with their length and excellent defense (they did return the favor at fsu tho) including puke.. last year they were only 3 points better both gms but both gms clemson owned the 1st 30 min and tech made a push the final 10 to make it look close which is big considering tigers were god awful from the charity stripe last season and now are among the better ft shooting teams so i think they will control game much like last seasons contest but this time they will finish tech off from the line, also imo clem is greatly improved while gtech is basically the same team. think they will be hard pressed to score more than 50 here while clem should get into the 60s..

[2daBank]

As an illini fan, I have to advise you that this is not the year to back illinois. We are so shaky in every aspect. Wisconsin's style of play eats up our weaknesses.

offensively yes but wiscy cannot stop guard penetration for shit so if rice, bertrand, and abrams attack the rim they will have success.. could be a thing where over is a good play again. i understand not wanting to back illini and i dont really either but that 1st gm wiscy just got out on your squad fast and it was over, after the initial 10 minute onslaught (at a time wiscy was playing very good ball still btw) illini played with them rest of way for the most part, clearly the fact wiscy was working with a 19 point lead 10 minutes in might have had something to do with it but i just dont see the way they are playing now pouring on the same kind of start here. as bad as it was there were some positives, illini did have 25 freaking offensive boards, of coarse you have to be missing a lot of fukkin shots for that to happen but it also makes you think they def have some things going in their favor on the offensive end.. tough gm, if you made me play it id play illini but again i agree not a easy thing to do..

[No coincidences]

i believe so yes, if anything i think it a little short, clemson has been 7 points better than everyone they played at home excluding fsu but fsu a tough matchup for them with their length and excellent defense (they did return the favor at fsu tho) including puke.. last year they were only 3 points better both gms but both gms clemson owned the 1st 30 min and tech made a push the final 10 to make it look close which is big considering tigers were god awful from the charity stripe last season and now are among the better ft shooting teams so i think they will control game much like last seasons contest but this time they will finish tech off from the line, also imo clem is greatly improved while gtech is basically the same team. think they will be hard pressed to score more than 50 here while clem should get into the 60s..

Thanks Bank. Will probably just pass on that one. I never get Clemson games right.

[2daBank]

Thanks Bank. Will probably just pass on that one. I never get Clemson games right.

the one thing i read somewhere else that i didnt really factor is this a bit of a sandwich spot for tigers after revenging home loss to fsu and cuse on deck.. im not as huge on those things but i think they are valid a lot of the time..

[JT OZ]

Coin what do you see in Ohio State? I know we talked about them a little bit a week or so ago but this is such a tough matchup for them.

[JT OZ]

Even in the ultra-competitive Big 10 where taking pts is going to be the right way to go more often than not, I'm surprised the line wasn't around 7 or 8.

[2daBank]

Coin what do you see in Ohio State? I know we talked about them a little bit a week or so ago but this is such a tough matchup for them.

not sure im trying to get involved in this gm but osu did turn it over 17 freaking times the 1st meeting and were up 9 with 12 minute to go..

[JT OZ]

not sure im trying to get involved in this gm but osu did turn it over 17 freaking times the 1st meeting and were up 9 with 12 minute to go..

Iowa had a boatload of pts in the paint and I don't really see that changing tonight. OSU is going to have to shoot really well to stay in or win the game and I'm not sure they are capable of it. Sure they can have one guy get hot from time to time but collectively I just don't see it happening.

[No coincidences]

Coin what do you see in Ohio State? I know we talked about them a little bit a week or so ago but this is such a tough matchup for them.

A lot will depend on who can dictate the tempo of the game. I still believe the Buckeyes have a very solid squad, and they are elite defensively (not just Craft -- I love Shannon Scott). I'm not sold on Iowa's rotations or their "depth" (guys like Woodbury and McCabe are worthless). Plus, I'm not a Gesell fan. Iowa has a hard time winning close games and closing teams out because he is not the point guard they need that will bring the best out of his teammates.

[2daBank]

Iowa had a boatload of pts in the paint and I don't really see that changing tonight. OSU is going to have to shoot really well to stay in or win the game and I'm not sure they are capable of it. Sure they can have one guy get hot from time to time but collectively I just don't see it happening.

they let osu score 74, if osu scored 74 a gm this season that would be their only loss.. i get that iowa is deep and long but you selling a very good defensive coach short if you think he cant figure out a way to correct some of that interior scoring imo.. like i said tho i dunno bout this gm really, im not sure what i think of iowa to be honest.. plus i have a built in dislike for osu cause "big bear" is always yapping bout they are the best and craft is "the best pg" and as always he doesnt have a clue wtf he talking bout so if bear thinks osu good im little skeptical, lol..

[No coincidences]

they let osu score 74, if osu scored 74 a gm this season that would be their only loss.. i get that iowa is deep and long but you selling a very good defensive coach short if you think he cant figure out a way to correct some of that interior scoring imo.. like i said tho i dunno bout this gm really, im not sure what i think of iowa to be honest.. plus i have a built in dislike for osu cause "big bear" is always yapping bout they are the best and craft is "the best pg" and as always he doesnt have a clue wtf he talking bout so if bear thinks osu good im little skeptical, lol..

Craft is the most overrated NCAA player in the last decade plus and it isn't even close.

It's hard to get a read on Iowa because even they don't know about themselves. To be honest, I think McCaffery handles his rotations terribly and doesn't really have a good feel for who should be playing when. His "depth" is actually counterproductive at times. Combine that with the lack of a true/elite PG, and it is what it is.

[JT OZ]

I don't want to discount their defense because it can be elite but they have suffered some letdowns on that side due to effort which I think comes from their struggles on offense. With that being said the 'players only' meeting they held last week may be what they needed to get rid of their effort issues.

[JT OZ]

Coin I'm with you on Scott, he is a menace on defense but still has not shaken his questionable decision-making on offense.

[blackeyeshamus]

FWIW I'm on Ohio State +7@-130 risking 6.50 to win 5.00 grrrrh yeah, its a big one, and I'm the first one to fade the bucks- but I'm not convinced they can't steal a win on the road tonight. BOL, NC.

[2daBank]

Craft is the most overrated NCAA player in the last decade plus and it isn't even close.

It's hard to get a read on Iowa because even they don't know about themselves. To be honest, I think McCaffery handles his rotations terribly and doesn't really have a good feel for who should be playing when. His "depth" is actually counterproductive at times. Combine that with the lack of a true/elite PG, and it is what it is.

oh yea he straight garbage really, if he was black nobody would talk bout him.. the fact bear thinks he awesome says it all..

well i guess that explains why i dont know wtf to think bout them then! lol.. ive only watched them maybe couple few times, their defensive numbers impressive on paper but when i watched felt like numbers were little deceiving.. far as their offense i watched the nd gm and they looked awesome but nd forgot how to play defense and i havnt seen any of the other gms they lit up the scoreboard but whoever initiating the offense whether it their pg or white it feels awkward at times and nobody can really create their own shot which makes me think that osu can slow them down.. cant say it enough tho, i have no clue with them, was listening to some1 i dont think a complete idiot (forget who) that said they could make a really deep tourney run but i dunno..

[No coincidences]

oh yea he straight garbage really, if he was black nobody would talk bout him.. the fact bear thinks he awesome says it all..

well i guess that explains why i dont know wtf to think bout them then! lol.. ive only watched them maybe couple few times, their defensive numbers impressive on paper but when i watched felt like numbers were little deceiving.. far as their offense i watched the nd gm and they looked awesome but nd forgot how to play defense and i havnt seen any of the other gms they lit up the scoreboard but whoever initiating the offense whether it their pg or white it feels awkward at times and nobody can really create their own shot which makes me think that osu can slow them down.. cant say it enough tho, i have no clue with them, was listening to some1 i dont think a complete idiot (forget who) that said they could make a really deep tourney run but i dunno..

It was probably Bilas, who likes them to go deep. In theory and on paper, I agree. Just not sure if it will actually come to fruition until McCaffery shortens his bench a little and stops playing guys like Woodbury so much.

[No coincidences]

Brock is on Wisky ML.

The end.

[2daBank]

i would think the total on iowa/osu being same as it was @osu even tho they smashed that and you would think at home osu would be more likely to dictate tempo bodes well for osu backers, maybe not but to me it kinda says you gonna at least get a much better pace for osu to stay close..

[2daBank]

Brock is on Wisky ML.

The end.

whenever illini is losing a bunch landers tends to win for stretches, wouldnt read much into it he has prob been against them at least 3 or 4 times in a row by now, he usually knows when to start fading them and doesnt stop once he starts..

[juanitodelfuego]

I like Iowa - 5.5. Here is why. In Big Ten play Hawks have a 5 pt scoring advantage vs. their road games. This is coupled with the fact that their opponents at Carver Hawkeye arena score 3 pts less against them. So, roughly a 8 pt homes court advantage average this year. OSU scores 8.5 less on the road than at home and opponents of OSU score .5 pt better against OSU on the road vs. OSU at home. Iowa is 2- 2 ATS / 3-1 SU, with the loss at home against MSU by 4. OSU is 3-2 ATS / 2-3 SU. They lost to MSU by 4 on the road. But it comes down to UI playing strong as of late, OSU is playing not to lose. Both are coming off victories but UI should take OSU at home. UI 74 OSU 67.

[Matty Mo]

After Iowa lost SU at home to a broken MSU team it's difficult to bet them giving 6 points to a healthy Ohio St team. Either team can win so taking the points seems like the smart play. Iowa should have handled MSU at home (we just saw Gtown control them and win on a neutral court).

Gotta take the 6 points tonight, just my two cents.

[No coincidences]

whenever illini is losing a bunch landers tends to win for stretches, wouldnt read much into it he has prob been against them at least 3 or 4 times in a row by now, he usually knows when to start fading them and doesnt stop once he starts..

Exactly. I've seen him go to that well at least twice (MSU and Iowa). He might get burned tonight, especially with all of the bad karma he's been building up from his Super Bowl debacle.

I might have to take a flier on the Illini tonight.

[MeetTheJedi]

I like Iowa - 5.5. Here is why. In Big Ten play Hawks have a 5 pt scoring advantage vs. their road games. This is coupled with the fact that their opponents at Carver Hawkeye arena score 3 pts less against them. So, roughly a 8 pt homes court advantage average this year. OSU scores 8.5 less on the road than at home and opponents of OSU score .5 pt better against OSU on the road vs. OSU at home. Iowa is 2- 2 ATS / 3-1 SU, with the loss at home against MSU by 4. OSU is 3-2 ATS / 2-3 SU. They lost to MSU by 4 on the road. But it comes down to UI playing strong as of late, OSU is playing not to lose. Both are coming off victories but UI should take OSU at home. UI 74 OSU 67.

I'm leaning towards Iowa and this post is pretty convincing.

Only seeing 5.5 now though

[wizcodlifa]

A lot will depend on who can dictate the tempo of the game. I still believe the Buckeyes have a very solid squad, and they are elite defensively (not just Craft -- I love Shannon Scott). I'm not sold on Iowa's rotations or their "depth" (guys like Woodbury and McCabe are worthless). Plus, I'm not a Gesell fan. Iowa has a hard time winning close games and closing teams out because he is not the point guard they need that will bring the best out of his teammates.

I am sorry man, but Geisel is a very good player. IDK how you cant see that. like i said im a big iowa fan. i would not bet against them at home. I AM WARNING YOU.