No such thing as fixed totals

[No coincidences]

Love,
Clippers and Hornets

[BigDofBA]

What was the total for the game?

I took the first half under.

I know the second half went over by 7.

[BigBoi]

Game was 182

[BigDofBA]

Damn. If you had the under it must have felt like a loss.

[No coincidences]

What was the total for the game?

I took the first half under.

I know the second half went over by 7.

Opened at 182.5, then went to 181.5 yesterday afternoon, where it sat for a long time.

Pushed to 182 at some books, 182.5 at others in the last 10-15 minutes before tip.

[No coincidences]

Damn. If you had the under it must have felt like a loss.

Did you see the fourth quarter and more specifically the last minute or two?

Yeah, NBA's totally on the level.

I didn't bet this game, but when I saw the scoring in the 4th, I started watching because I knew something was up.

[BigBoi]

Love the Action had 182. I had second half over and Hornets parlayed.

[No coincidences]

90-69 with 4:43 left.

23 points in the last 4:43. Nine free throws in the last four-plus minutes of a blowout. People on the under were just lucky that Vazquez -- who happens to be an 83 percent free throw shooter -- just happened to miss one of two at the end for the push.

[BigDofBA]

Pretty sweet the foul with 6 seconds left for no reason then they make one of two free throws and you know the rest, the number landed exactly in the middle.

[No coincidences]

Pretty sweet the foul with 6 seconds left for no reason then they make one of two free throws and you know the rest, the number landed exactly in the middle.

No point in the foul. No point in Vazquez making only one of two. But whatever -- hey, just another sharp NBA total.

[BigDofBA]

No point in the foul. No point in Vazquez making only one of two. But whatever -- hey, just another sharp NBA total.

I had the under in a Heat game last week. I got a good number so I ended up winning by .5 while a lot of people lost but I will tell you that there were like 11 points scored in the final 1:15 and 4 fouls were called.

It was well on pace to go under and then it seems like the whistle started blowing every trip down the court and before I knew it I was sweating out free throws in the final 30 seconds. Thankfully Chalmers missed one. After a foul was called with 1.7 left.

[lunchbawks]

why would the players be in on this? they get paid atleast 300k per season

[No coincidences]

why would the players be in on this? they get paid atleast 300k per season

A) Who's to say if they are or they aren't? You're talking about a league run by David Stern. I'm not even going to pretend to know how complicated things are behind closed doors in the NBA.

B) Are you saying that just because of their own personal financial situation, no NBA player has ever been involved with any kind of point shaving?

[BigDofBA]

why would the players be in on this? they get paid atleast 300k per season

I used to think this. I used to think that only refs fixed game or totals. They can easily effect pace and the spread because they can call fouls or not call fouls. They can also get players in foul trouble.

I used to think there was no way players would be in on it but what if Stern gave some of these guys barely staying in the league an incentive?

I don't know. It's hard to prove but I just see weird ass shit that normally wouldn't happen and it always seems to effect the spread or total.

I believe the ref that got busted when he said the league gave the officials instructions to ensure the LA/Kings series went seven for the ratings.

I won my bet and I'm saying it was fishy as hell and I shouldn't have won. I've seen this for the few years I have been betting the NBA.

[lunchbawks]

there's always crap that happens at the end of blowouts.. free dunks and fouls it happens theyre playing basketball

[hawley]

I go backwards and forwards on this all the time but lunchie yOu really believe the books are this sharp

[BigDofBA]

there's always crap that happens at the end of blowouts.. free dunks and fouls it happens theyre playing basketball

But fouls by professionals with 6 seconds left when it's a double digit game?

They let the clock run out 95% of the time but this time they didn't and it just happened to effect the spread? Look at how the final minutes played out with all the foul calls. Typically the refs let the game get over with so everyone can go home. Why did all this happen tonight?

Just a coincidence?

I used to think all of this was BS until I started paying attention. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so if you think I'm wrong I can respect that.

It always happens on the last game of the night, big games, or nationall televised games. No matter the score or pace, it always comes down to a call at the end when the game is already decided.

[No coincidences]

there's always crap that happens at the end of blowouts.. free dunks and fouls it happens theyre playing basketball

So it's an incredible coincidence -- or sharp number crunching by the books -- that both the game total and the 2H spread were in the hands of Vazquez at the very end on a bullshit foul?

[No coincidences]

But fouls by professionals with 6 seconds left when it's a double digit game?

They let the clock run out 95% of the time but this time they didn't and it just happened to effect the spread? Look at how the final minutes played out with all the foul calls. Typically the refs let the game get over with so everyone can go home. Why did all this happen tonight?

Just a coincidence?

I used to think all of this was BS until I started paying attention. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so if you think I'm wrong I can respect that.

It always happens on the last game of the night, big games, or nationall televised games. No matter the score or pace, it always comes down to a call at the end when the game is already decided.

Me too. I actually pointed this out last year to a die-hard NBA fan buddy of mine who doesn't gamble at all. Now he pays attention to the numbers for sheer entertainment and calls me all the time, laughing his ass off about what happens at the end of some of these games. Just got a text from him about the Clipper game. He thinks it's hysterical. He always tells me that 99% of fans out there have no idea what's going on, and he was one of them. Now that he knows, he totally buys into the fishy bullshit. Again, this is a guy who doesn't gamble and who's been watching pro hoops for decades. He says when it comes to Stern, nothing surprises him.

[BigDofBA]

So it's an incredible coincidence -- or sharp number crunching by the books -- that both the game total and the 2H spread were in the hands of Vazquez at the very end on a bullshit foul?

It wasn't just that call. That was just the cherry on top.

A lot had to happen in the final 5 minutes of a blowout game and it all did to land perfectly at 182. This happens all the time. I don't how many I think of a scenario that has to happen for me to lose and it does. It's always something crazy and I'm like wow.

I won tonight and feel like it was fixed.

Again, I'm sure a lot of people will disagree but after they have some BS loses and start paying attention they will see what we are talking about.

[Crofta]

Anyone remember that Thunder Mavs game I think last season where the under was shot with about 1.30 to play. They needed about 15 pts and the score wasn’t even close as Thunder by DD.

Stevenson (I think) hit couple treys and then with about 10 sec to go with still a 3 required for the over, OKC get defensive rebound it and instead of running out the time, Durant handed the ball to the ref?

Ball gets given to Dallas from the inbound, they hit a 3 again and goes over by 1 or 2?

Most heartbreaking way to lose an under bet....</SPAN>

[No coincidences]

It wasn't just that call. That was just the cherry on top.

A lot had to happen in the final 5 minutes of a blowout game and it all did to land perfectly at 182. This happens all the time. I don't how many I think of a scenario that has to happen for me to lose and it does. It's always something crazy and I'm like wow.

I won tonight and feel like it was fixed.

Again, I'm sure a lot of people will disagree but after that have some BS loses and start paying attention they will see what we are talking about.

Exactly. That was just the perfect culmination.

[hawley]

I believe this shit to the point where i dont worry what is happening most of the game if i believe i am on the right side

[BigDofBA]

Exactly. That was just the perfect culmination.

It's not just the final plays in these games, although they are completely unexplainable, its all the other crap.

Like how all of the sudden the pace becomes frantic and refs are whistle happy in a 21 point game with 5 minutes to go. Then the Clippers put Chris Paul back in the game up 15 points with three minutes to go and 15 seconds later the refs have him at the line shooting free throws.

I mean, it's insane.

[lunchbawks]

this game wasnt even bad.. bynum hit a 3 at the end of the lakers/memphis game and it wasn't rigged he just shot the ball with time expiring on home floor. sbr blows up abbout things like this

[BigDofBA]

To the average person the last 5 minutes probably didn't look out of the ordinary. "So what they fouled at the end, they had already won so it didn't matter...." Yeah right.

[Speedy88]

People mistake the stupidity of players for fixed games way too much on here.

[BigDofBA]

People mistake the stupidity of players for fixed games way too much on here.

I definitely don't think every game like this is fixed but I do wonder a lot. How can people that have played basketball their whole lives and play for a living not know any better?

This type of thing happens on a consistent basis. It's not like it happens every once in a while.

[No coincidences]

this game wasnt even bad.. bynum hit a 3 at the end of the lakers/memphis game and it wasn't rigged he just shot the ball with time expiring on home floor. sbr blows up abbout things like this

You weren't watching it, were you? Because I was. And even without having a nickel on the game, I can say that yes, it was bad.

[Covy]

Hornets were down and had the ball...they could've just had an easy layup to close the game, but the Clips were playing D, thus the foul

[hawley]

Hornets were down and had the ball...they could've just had an easy layup to close the game, but the Clips were playing D, thus the foul

you had the over right?

NoCoin what was the final foul like? a blatant one or one which generally a ref lets go in a blowout game?

[BigDofBA]

Hornets were down and had the ball...they could've just had an easy layup to close the game, but the Clips were playing D, thus the foul

Yeah, because teams up 13 points always "D" up on the inbounds pass under the opponents goal with 6 seconds left and foul.

Totally normal....

The Hornets were in bounding under their own goal and LA fouled them in the backcourt up 13 points.

Coaches tell their players not to foul when they're up 4 points in that situation. Lol.

[No coincidences]

you had the over right?

NoCoin what was the final foul like? a blatant one or one which generally a ref lets go in a blowout game?

It was technically a foul I suppose, but not the kind of foul you see called very often in the last 10 seconds of a blowout. It's just as funny to me that Vaz -- an 83% FT shooter -- just happened to split the foul shots.

[No coincidences]

Hornets were down and had the ball...they could've just had an easy layup to close the game, but the Clips were playing D, thus the foul

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-betting/1649588-local-had-lac-o-u-181-5-a.html

[BigDofBA]

I guess I'm crazy and those books are just really good....