Originally posted by Automoto
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Did you know AFTER THE GAME the NBA stated the refs made a mistake on the last play, when they turned the ball over to the team that covered the spread. It's genius because if you can't conceal the fix due to the video, you just come out and say, "Well, just an honest, human mistake." Thing is, why not check the video to get the call right during the game like you're suppose to, especially when there's only seconds left in a tie game? Answer that one if you can. Oh, I know ... just an honest, human mistake is all
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TV revenue pays the salaries and expenses like ticket sales does. The merchandising is chump change to them. Many teams have gone and/or are bankrupt. They bother because it's easy hundreds of millions of free dollars. Why else?Originally posted by MrXYZComment -
Of course they let it go. As far as who wins the game, it has NO bearing. The game IS over. It's pointless, senselss and uselss to make the call. You're right that it wasn't a blatant foul too, if one at all. Borderline at best. No business, no reason, no way to be called.Originally posted by BigDofBA
But, when it decides where the money goes, when the spread is on the line, then, that there is whole different ball game.
And, I suppose Calipari and Pitino both covered their last college hoop games by the hook out of sheer coincidence too. 12.5 and win by 13, and 9.5 and win by 10. Give me a break that this all happens without any undue influence. Or, let me sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.Comment -
It is explainable. It's called human greed, corruption, and raqueteering. That is the explanation. How else in the world can the Books stay in business, much less make millions upon millions? It's all on paper who's going to win the game. Yea, maybe 1 in a 100 games will have a fluke injury or play where the underdog will upset the fave. Other than that, faves should win 99 out of 100. Do they? So, how about those NHL Wings last night?Originally posted by lunchbawksa pro like blake should know you're not coming back down 4 with 2 seconds left. teams ALWAYS dribble out the game in that situation. unexplainable!
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Not claiming conspiracy or not, but if I was, take from the Donaghy record, his "judgement" was to mainly fix totals... creating pace and such... like any good bench playing point shaver will "morally" tell you that winning by 20 or winning by 18 late in a game means nothing to the game...
Refs would get judged harshly if/when a bad/phantom call is made... refs don' get judged at all when a game has already been decided... which is what... 5% of the time the game does NOT go down to the last possession or two...Comment -
fukked my under big time...fukk you griffin.Comment -
Surely you're not that naive to think because one crooked ref (who got caught) took the fall, that no one else on the planet is involved. If you really believe that this one guy acted alone, all by himself, without anyone else involved, then you believe Madoff swindled millions all by himself too.Originally posted by warriorfan707
The proof is as clear as the video, unless you're blind. Explain why down 2 scores with 10 seconds left, with you're only hope of winning the game is to try a 3 pt shot, are you going for a meaningless layup? Explain that? Explain why if you're just conceding then figuring the game is over, why try to foul with a second left? Explain that. Explain why when it is then IMPOSSIBLE to win down 2 scores with a second left, is the ref calling a meaningless ticky-tac foul? Explain it man.
Trying to commit the foul, and then calling the foul makes no sense. Does it? Does it make sense to you? Does it make any sense at all? Actually, it makes a lot of cents!
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Lol. NBA was fixing games for playoff ratings, longer playoff series, etc.
No one gives a shit about the spread or the o/u. How is that so hard to understand? These guys make more money then most of us will ever see in our lives.
This is like the people who cry football is fixed
yea, fukin goodell is in there helmets telling them exactly what to do
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One of my freinds was ont he under as well. man he was pissed. Totals are very hard to hit sometimes in the NBAComment -
Just because I may never see that kind of money, doesn't mean they don't need any more for themselves. Isn't it a fact that 90% of retired players have nothing? You know once you have mansions, cars, servants, alimony, child support, etc. it's really not hard to piss away millions.Originally posted by zsrLol. NBA was fixing games for playoff ratings, longer playoff series, etc.
No one gives a shit about the spread or the o/u. How is that so hard to understand? These guys make more money then you'll ever see in your life.
This is like the people who cry football is fixed yea, fukin goodell is in there helmets telling them exactly what to do
How about these kids right out of high school that go into the League, like Darius Miles comes to mind? How much of the money that he earned got legally invested to grow, or how much money that he made does he still have left? Didn't he get arrested for trying to bring a loaded gun onto a plane or something? Didn't some player just get busted by an undercover sting opp for dealing serious drugs (or maybe that was an NFL player this time). How about a mega superstar from this League like Dr. J? Didn't I recently read that his finances are in the toilet, and he was auctioning off all of his memorabilia? You're oblivious if you think just because you sign an NBA contract that you're set for life. Don't get me wrong, you easily could be set for life. But like one who just makes $30K/yr, even if you make millions, if you spend more than you make which seems most do, you're on the path to the land of impecuniosity.
Though I did bet the Lakers for the game and 2nd half, and won big, the event still bothers me because it's crooked. Sometimes I just need to vent, let it all out, and move onwards, so pardon me for going overboard.
Remember Larry Bird, the hick who grew up with no money? Ironically, you never see him in the news, at an event, doing radio/tv/media work. You never hear or see this guy ever, and he's a living legend. Ironic because this guy never spent his money, and probably still has every penny he ever made and then some. Also, he purely loved the game unlike 99% of the rest who play/played. Growing up as a kid in Boston, was a joy and inspiration to watch Bird and his passion for the game. His team could be up 10 points with 30 seconds left in the game, and he (like an ambitious kid, and not a spolied bad egg) would still sacrifice himself and dive head first for a loose ball. My guess is he's disgusted by the League, wants nothing do with it anymore, and will remain in the back woods of Indiana where he enjoys being with his family and out of the public eye. Would be great to catch up with Mr. Bird out in the middle of nowhere, and ask him what he truly thought about last night's La La ending et al. Would be great to hear from the Legend.
Thing is, I doubt he even watches.
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They wanted to try a 3 but time was dwindling and their 3 pt shooters were blanketed. They simply took what was given to them. It happens all the time.Originally posted by 4seasonsSurely you're not that naive to think because one crooked ref (who got caught) took the fall, that no one else on the planet is involved. If you really believe that this one guy acted alone, all by himself, without anyone else involved, then you believe Madoff swindled millions all by himself too.
The proof is as clear as the video, unless you're blind. Explain why down 2 scores with 10 seconds left, with you're only hope of winning the game is to try a 3 pt shot, are you going for a meaningless layup? Explain that? Explain why if you're just conceding then figuring the game is over, why try to foul with a second left? Explain that. Explain why when it is then IMPOSSIBLE to win down 2 scores with a second left, is the ref calling a meaningless ticky-tac foul? Explain it man.
Trying to commit the foul, and then calling the foul makes no sense. Does it? Does it make sense to you? Does it make any sense at all? Actually, it makes a lot of cents!
If you really believe Blake Griffin desperately wanted the over to hit in that game, I cant help you.Comment -
The more I watch the NBA, the more I think it's fixed.
I have a theory.
I don't think the players are involved at all. I think college kids could shave points bc they are poor but Kobe Bryant doesn't give a shit.
Refs can control a lot more than you think. The players are good enough to make shots if they're given enough chances.
A team could be winning by 20 and then all of the sudden the whistle starts blowing every possession.
Look what happened last night. It was pretty much a one possession game until the refs called a technical foul on the Clippers. The lakers got like three free throws.
It's really pretty easy for the refs to manipulate he totals and flow. If Kobe or Lebron misses all they have to do is call a foul. Free throws are almost guaranteed points.
It's no mistake that these guys have like 15 points from the free throw line.
If I had the total last night I would be pissed. I've seen players literally hug the other guy with no foul called in that situation.Comment -
4seasons, it's worthless discussing this with you. Like warrior said, if you seriously believe griffin needed to foul to hit his over bet or the lakers spread bet, then you can't be helpedComment -
Anybody remember that clippers game I think two years ago against bucks or maybe hornets we will say bucks. Like 28 seconds remaining 10 point lead and 8 points needed for over. Bucks had even stopped fouling. Anyway 4 points needed with like 8 seconds left clipper foul bucks, bucks makes both free throws then clippers on inbound (still up like 8 or so) do a breakaway dunk to end the game. Luckily I was on right side of that one.Comment -
FYI, I don't think NBA players fix games but refs can definitely controls the flow and score. The players will make shots.Originally posted by zsr
Dot you think that was a quick whistle at the end? I mean the ref had the whistle in his mouth and as soon as Blake breathed on the guy the whistle blew.
I'm not saying that game was fixed but it makes you wonder.
In a NCAA game this year St. Johns shot 41 free throws and A&M shot 3.
Johns covered by 1. Coincidence?Comment -
Something very similar happened to me. The game was decided and the other team wasn't going to foul and instead of dribbling the clock out the BullsOriginally posted by homerbush
Did a fast break off of an inbounds pass and Noah dunked it. Meanwhile the other team just stood there. That one sucked.Comment -
i don't believe in rigs at all, but if it was gonna happen it'd only be in the playoffs for ratings like another poster said. they want to extend a series or have a certain team win to get a matchup in the next round. that's the only time i would even consider the notion. it is kind of funny watching key players go down with 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes of a crucial playoff game.Originally posted by BigDofBA
edit: and i've said this before in another rig thread. a few years ago i had some hilarious parlay that was gonna hit if san antonio covered +6 or something in los angeles. lakers are up 5 and san antonio is done fouling with 7 or 8 seconds left. vujacic dribbles down and drains an uncontested three as the spurs are literally already walking off the court and kobe glares at him like the idiot he is. i lose. i did not think vujacic had a vested interest in the lakers covering.Comment -
It's already been proven games were rigged. A guy went to jail for it.Originally posted by YouHave2outsComment -
Why take what they give you if they're giving you defeat?????????????????????????????????? ??????????? I know it happens all the time ... EXACTLY! Blanketed or not, you have to force it in, and if nothing else hope for a foul like defenseive pass interferrence on a hail Mary. You have to at least try, don't you? And if you're conceding, then why immediately try to foul with a second left, and then why did the ref call the foul?Originally posted by warriorfan707
This isn't about what Griffin wanted. I trust he didn't bet the game. He is merely a puppett to the hand that feeds him.
If I had the hardware, resources and time, I'd enjoy putting together a compilation video of the corruption. You know the main reason I bet the Lakers 2nd half, was in the first half when they went down 10 points, the Lakers had no emotion. No emotion means the game is fixed for them to win, and they don't have to worry. Now if the game was fixed for them to lose, then you'd see the routine huffing and puffing. They'd be yelling at the refs, they'd be yelling at each other, and they'll look like they're trying to get all pumped up to get back in the game. It's all props for the stage.
First half, Clipps move to a 10 point lead, and Lakers call time-out. Just by the demeanor of the Lakers at the timeout, and their emotionlessness which gives the illusion they're not in the game tonight, set off the alarm in my head. If at the timeout they were pointing fingers, a teammate may not have been on the right/same page during the last play, trying to get the team fired up, etc. gives the illusion that the team is into the game. It's as if the outcome is known before they even take the court.Comment -
Again, it's nothing to do with what Griffin/players wanted. They get paid win or lose. It's what the boss wants.Originally posted by zsr
There's like 10 people in this thread alone, who have never met each other, and live in all corners around the globe who clearly saw the last foul with a second left was bogus. As was earlier posted by another, the ref already had the whistle ready to blow as soon as Griffin breathed on the guy. The game was already over, so why didn't the game end there? You try to explain what Griffin did, so try explaining what the ref did there. If the game isn't fixed, and the winner has already been determined even though there' still a few seconds on the clock, then the ref puts the
away unless it's flagrant.
Would be great to get the video of all the final plays of the games, where there are blatant hard fouls not called, and display them up against last night's infmous finish. Would be great to show all the finishes of games when the game and spread winners are already determined, verse finishes of games where the game winner is determined but the spead winner is still on the line. Because it isn't even close the way the refs act in the latter. When game & spread winners are already determined, games end flawlessly. When the spread is still to be determined, games end with the most ludicrious plays/officiating. Yea, just a coincidence I'll bet
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Warrior Fan, Zsr you are trying to hard. I cant speculate if you are part of the cabal being talked about here. Its obvious the fix is in, it does not matter how its orchestrated.
If you went outside your house and heard music playing would you see Oh no there is no music because I cant see a radio or a band.
The point is 99% of the time people do things for a reason unless they are complete fools. Let me point out two things which dont make sense. There is usually a flurry of activity, time outs at the end of the games. Then the odd things happen. Hurried scoring, senseless fouls and by some magic the total sits at 187. I had a 4 team parlay with the fourth leg being under 187. Instead of a x12 payout , now I only get x6.
Can you tell me how intelligent these people are , that they set the totals at 187 and it comes in at exactly 187 after some weird stuff.
If this does not seem shady, i dont know if you need any proof. The proof is in your head and ability to make sense of events without being spoon fed.Comment -
This thread just keeps getting stupider. You guys have convinced yourself every single shot is fixed, ok, so before every game, the players receive a call, score exactly this many points, no more! No less! Miss this many shots! You guys don't realize how impossible this is because you've convinced yourself your right and anybody who disagrees with you is nuts.Comment -
It's not even worth arguing with you guys because like I said, youve convinced yourselves your right and everyone else is wrong.Comment -
Dont even respond to the idiocy. Just laugh at em.
They think the game was rigged to go over and they let it get that close.
Another guy said he slammed the Laker 2nd half because they were down in the 1st half and showed no emotion, meaning they knew the game was fixed for them to win.
This same Ronald McDonald also contradicted himself by saying he didnt even think the players were in on fixes.
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More stupid?Originally posted by zsr
I don't think players in the NBA fix games. Also, I had the Lakers 2nd half so my bet won so don't think I'm bitching because I lost a bet. I'm just pointing out how suspicious it was.
People cry fix way too often. I agree there. Sometimes shit happens and you lose because you got unlucky. With that said, this was shady.
I'm putting it on the refs. 90% of the time they don't call a foul with one second left when the guy barely gets touched.
The ref had the whistle in his mouth and blew it immediately.
A former NBA ref wrote a book about fixing games and "you're" saying it doesn't happen? Well you're wrong because it did.
Sometimes the things that happen are just too shady.
You don't need players involved to fix games. They are good. They will
Make shots. You just need a few crooked refs.Comment -
Stop being silly.
Why does it matter what happens in between as long as you agree that the game will terminate at the most profitable point.
If you that smart, would you care to explain why two teams can play a game where Q2 can have 65 points and Q3 less than 40 points.
It all does not matter, its what happens at the end that matters. The last 2 or so minutes is when everything can be manipulated and off course the common Joe does not see it because the previous 58 minutes appeared normal.
I have one explanation for you for Griffin driving to the hole and immediately fouling.
With less than 10 seconds left , whats easier even if the fix is in. If you had a gun to your head which scenario would you chose.
Play to score a 3 pointer or
Score an uncontested dunk for 2 points and foul and guarantee that at least one shot is made.
If you really want the total to be exactly 187, well , if you make first free throw the second one can be missed. Now thats not too hard , is it, or you need proof that the second scenario is more probable than risking someone missing a 3 point shotComment -
Did it ever occur to you that some refs will let that go in that situation and others will be quicker to blow a whistle?
All NBA refs are different. They are human beings, not androids.Comment -
May God help you if you are really asking this question.Originally posted by gastoComment -
FYI, I'm questioning the suspicious ending but in no way do I think Griffin was involved. I don't even think he was trying to foul at the end.
Why would a player that makes millions worry about people like us?
Refs on the other hand......Comment -
Lol. Obviously my posts are directed at the people saying the players are the ones fixing games.Originally posted by BigDofBA
It is literally impossible to fix an NBA game. Unless they put a magnet in the ball and one on the hoop and make it go in when they want, it doesn't happen. Refs can simply attempt to give a team more free throws.
The scandal was the NBA wanting to extend playoff series, put certain teams in the finals, etc. Clearly stern wants Kobe vs Lebron every year but it hasn't happened, why? Because the donaghy thing blew the lid off the whole thing and now they can't do what they did in the kings/lakers series.
And forum grammar cops always crack me up. What an e-cool guy
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Funny thing is here I am defending the NBA, even though I actually had Clippers +4.
You people are fukkin insane. The Lakers won the game by 5 and their were 187 points scored in the game. Get a grip. This kinda shit happens. It was not some monumental miracle.Comment -
So when team A shoots 41 free throws and team B shoots 3 free free throws its not suspicious even though team A covered by one point?
That happened earlier in the year.Comment -
That's college basketball. Were talking about the NBA.Comment -
Warrior, I thought all along people were referring to a specific game. Now you are sidetracking to other games, how some referees would let stuff pass.
I though we were on the same wavelength but obviously if you have an agenda you have to stick to your preconceived ideas that everything is normal.
Whats really sad is some people will actually believe this garbage about everything is above board. If CEOs of multibillion dollar companies can cook books what makes you think it would be any harder to fix just a game.Comment -
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