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  • Love The Action
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-08-10
    • 10952

    #1
    Pounding Lakers/NO Under
    I'm playing on the under in the Lakers/Hornets game Wednesday.

    The line opened at 187 and jumped to 187.5 with a whopping 90% of all bets on the over. With so many people on the over, you might expect Pinny, 5D, MBK, etc. to be juicing the over. However, they are all holding even or juicing the under slightly. I have locked in 1 unit already and am looking to add more, possible up to 10, after checking out the refs.

    Here is my reasoning:
    • The Hornets shot 60% in game one of this series. I fully expect them to return to their average of about 46%.
    • The Lakers were embarrassed and displayed a poor defensive effort in losing game one. I fully expect the Lakers to come out with some defensive intensity from the outset. The pace in the first game was similar to pace set in game one of the Bulls/Pacers and Magic/Hawks series. The common thread with those game were that they all went over due to above average shooting percentages and paces which deviated from these teams' averages. However, after the Bulls and Magic ramped up the defensive effort, both of their game two's went under. I expect the Lakers to do the same here and for the under to hit just like the second games of Bulls/Pacers and Hawks/Magic series.
    • Both the Lakers and Hornets were under machines all year, with the Hornets going 32-51 o/u and the Lakers going 34-59 o/u. On the road, the Hornets were 16-26 o/u, while the Lakers were 18/24 o/u at home. With the total set between 185 and 189, the two teams were a combined 17-24 o/u. When the Lakers were favored by 11 or more, they went 2-8 o/u and when a dog of 11 or more, the Hornets went 0-1 o/u. On two days' rest, the two teams are a combined 7-11 o/u.
    • Both teams are at the bottom of the league in pace and possessions per game stats.

    Even though most of their recent matchups have gone over and a lot of recent trends for both teams point over, I really think the true identity of these defensive minded teams comes out in this game and we see the under hit. With the line set at 187.5 and probable to rise (although I do expect some RLM at some point), I think that gives us a buffer over the recent low 180's we have seen for this matchup. The last time these two teams went under, the game total was set at 188.5.

    Finally, I think the team chemistry building endeavor of backing up Lamar Odom, where Kobe, Pau, Shannon Brown and others attended his sixth man of the year ceremony, brought this team together in the face of recent criticism.

    For all those reasons, I like this game to stay under the posted total. If I see a Rodney Mott, or another one of the refs that favors the under almost as much, I will be pounding the under for a possible 10 unit play.

    I would love to hear some thoughts opposing my view. Good luck to all.
  • forzuto13
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 01-27-11
    • 522

    #2
    As you noted in re. to match-ups between the two teams: Over is 20-8 in the last 28 meetings. And we know it's due to CP's speed and the way he pushes the ball. But I am with you on this one. Good thing is that Steve Blake is due to play after being out with chicken pox. You see, now he is immune to the CP and it shouldn't bother him when he has to guard him!

    I'd like to see the line more around 190, but Lakers are really going to have to slow the ball down and play their way if they are going to win this one. So, in my opinion, if Lakers are going to take this one it will be a nice half-court game, and they will be able to contain CP. Maybe Fisch will drink some guarana too before tip-off. That would help. Plus, I can't see Paul having another stellar night like he did in game one.
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    • lolbear
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 09-10-09
      • 756

      #3
      good post, will look more into it. that said i think LA not as defensive as chi/orl, although they are close. also a bit worried about them playing inspired ball vs hornets and blow them out w/ a lot of fast paced scoring.
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      • SquareDinner
        Restricted User
        • 04-19-11
        • 61

        #4
        Over is the play since Odom was nominated for the 6th man award. He is going to give his all and show the public that they are right in picking him as the 6th man.
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        • Love The Action
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 11-08-10
          • 10952

          #5
          Morning line update....at 7am CST, most books are still at 187.5, but juicing the over. Bookmaker is the only "sharp" book that made the jump to 188, but I expect all the rest to follow suit at some point this morning. I'm still seeing over 85% of all bets on the over in this one. Therefore, I think we may see 188.5 or even 189. I don't see it going any higher than that, at which point we should see it drop back down to the 187-188 range before tip. If I see (1) late RLM for the under (indicating smart money on the under) and (2) refs that favor the under, I will definitely pound this one.

          I'll keep this thread updated with any line developments. Would still like to hear more thoughts from you over backers to hear why you like that play. Other than the recent matchup trends, I don't see much that points to the over here. Can you guys let me know why you like the over here? Thanks and good luck.
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          • Hanlidin
            Restricted User
            • 08-12-10
            • 507

            #6
            Wrong idiots
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            • nah0228
              SBR Sharp
              • 04-20-10
              • 262

              #7
              I like the under tonight. best of luck.
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              • redrum
                SBR MVP
                • 02-13-08
                • 1903

                #8
                the under is a real good hit the hornets is slow pace offense
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                • Hanlidin
                  Restricted User
                  • 08-12-10
                  • 507

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Love The Action
                  I'm playing on the under in the Lakers/Hornets game Wednesday.

                  The line opened at 187 and jumped to 187.5 with a whoppoing 90% of all bets on the over. With so many people on the over, you might expect Pinny, 5D, MBK, etc. to be juicing the over. However, they are all holding even or juicing the under slightly. I have locked in 1 unit already and am looking to add more, possible up to 10, after checking out the refs.

                  Here is my reasoning:
                  • The Hornets shot 60% in game one of this series. I fully expect them to return to their average of about 46%.
                  • The Lakers were embarrassed and displayed a poor defensive effort in losing game one. I fully expect the Lakers to come out with some defensive intensity from the outset. The pace in the first game was similar to pace set in game one of the Bulls/Pacers and Magic/Hawks series. The common thread with those game were that they all went over due to above average shooting percentages and paces which deviated from these teams' averages. However, after the Bulls and Magic ramped up the defensive effort, both of their game two's went under. I expect the Lakers to do the same here and for the under to hit just like the second games of Bulls/Pacers and Hawks/Magic series.
                  • Both the Lakers and Hornets were under machines all year, with the Hornets going 32-51 o/u and the Lakers going 34-59 o/u. On the road, the Hornets were 16-26 o/u, while the Lakers were 18/24 o/u at home. With the total set between 185 and 189, the two teams were a combined 17-24 o/u. When the Lakers were favored by 11 or more, they went 2-8 o/u and when a dog of 11 or more, the Hornets went 0-1 o/u. On two days' rest, the two teams are a combined 7-11 o/u.
                  • Both teams are at the bottom of the league in pace and possessions per game stats.

                  Even though most of their recent matchups have gone over and a lot of recent trends for both teams point over, I really think the true identity of these defensive minded teams comes out in this game and we see the under hit. With the line set at 187.5 and probable to rise (although I do expect some RLM at some point), I think that gives us a buffer over the recent low 180's we have seen for this matchup. The last time these two teams went under, the game total was set at 188.5.

                  Finally, I think the team chemistry building endeavor of backing up Lamar Odom, where Kobe, Pau, Shannon Brown and others attended his sixth man of the year ceremony, brought this team together in the face of recent criticism.

                  For all those reasons, I like this game to stay under the posted total. If I see a Rodney Mott, or another one of the refs that favors the under almost as much, I will be pounding the under for a possible 10 unit play.

                  I would love to hear some thoughts opposing my view. Good luck to all.

                  ur 10 unit play r 100$ rofl Lmao lol idiots
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                  • M.W.
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-07-08
                    • 1668

                    #10
                    As you noted in re. to match-ups between the two teams: Over is 20-8 in the last 28 meetings. And we know it's due to CP's speed and the way he pushes the ball. But I am with you on this one. Good thing is that Steve Blake is due to play after being out with chicken pox. You see, now he is immune to the CP and it shouldn't bother him when he has to guard him!
                    Haha - nice one.
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                    • Sfritts8
                      Restricted User
                      • 05-17-10
                      • 409

                      #11
                      A well thought out and cogent post on sbr, what is this world coming to.
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                      • Love The Action
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-08-10
                        • 10952

                        #12
                        Update on refs....we do have Steve Javie as a ref who favors the under. The other two have no lean.

                        If the line holds steady with 80%+ on the over, I will lock in a big play on the under.

                        Also, I will be playing the under in okc/den, but am at work and can't do a writeup on my phone. As an fyi. Rodney Mott is reffing this game and that is one of the factors in my under play in the okc game.

                        Good luck guys.
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                        • Hanlidin
                          Restricted User
                          • 08-12-10
                          • 507

                          #13
                          His points are idiotic game go over 205 + points tonight Kris Paul another 30+ points 10+ addict n 4+ steel
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                          • Love The Action
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 11-08-10
                            • 10952

                            #14
                            Hanlidin.....please provide the reasons why you like the over.
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                            • Hanlidin
                              Restricted User
                              • 08-12-10
                              • 507

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Love The Action
                              Hanlidin.....please provide the reasons why you like the over.
                              the same reasons I picked hornets ml on Lakers game 1, Kris Paul idiots
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                              • Hanlidin
                                Restricted User
                                • 08-12-10
                                • 507

                                #16
                                Now y don't u gib reason to y it undar??
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                                • 1koozryder
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 04-06-10
                                  • 16

                                  #17
                                  BetUs has the u at 188 now...
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                                  • hoyas2007
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 03-24-10
                                    • 106

                                    #18
                                    This is a great post. Really well thought out. The only thing that concerns me is the recent trends - both teams have given up over 100 points in 3 of their last 4, and NO-LA games tend to be high-scoring - but I think the Lakers know that they need to step up on defense if they're going to win this series so I expect a focused effort from them. The other series that had game 1 PPP similar to the LA-NO game 1 went under in game 2, as you mentioned above. This applies in all 3 games tonight, as all 3 series tonight had very high PPP in game 1 - I agree with you that defense will step up in this game and the OKC game. I'd like the under in SAS-Mem as well but those teams don't appear to be nearly as strong defensively as the other four. So I'm with you 100%
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                                    • san2c
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 11-18-09
                                      • 305

                                      #19
                                      nice write up man. its a relief to see someone actually put some logic behind their picks on this forum
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                                      • kobstopa
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-21-11
                                        • 2965

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Love The Action
                                        Update on refs....we do have Steve Javie as a ref who favors the under. The other two have no lean.

                                        If the line holds steady with 80%+ on the over, I will lock in a big play on the under.

                                        Also, I will be playing the under in okc/den, but am at work and can't do a writeup on my phone. As an fyi. Rodney Mott is reffing this game and that is one of the factors in my under play in the okc game.

                                        Good luck guys.
                                        Gl, I had locked these 2 under 3 days ago with similar to your line of thought process.
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                                        • Hanlidin
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 08-12-10
                                          • 507

                                          #21
                                          Game goes over 205+
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                                          • Love The Action
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-08-10
                                            • 10952

                                            #22
                                            Pinny still holding at 187.5...

                                            All bets still 80%+ on over.


                                            If you see the line dip with rlm, I think we have a big play on the under here.
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                                            • Love The Action
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-08-10
                                              • 10952

                                              #23
                                              Heads up guys...Pinny now juicing the under, despite 80%+ on the over. I sniff a dip in the line and some big money about to go on the under. If you see the total dip below 187.5, I think we're looking really good. Gl...
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                                              • Love The Action
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 11-08-10
                                                • 10952

                                                #24
                                                One correction...hornets shot 52% for the last game, not 60%. They shot 60% for the first half. Either way, I see them regressing to their average. The hornets are not an offensive minded team and certainly had their challenges scoring.
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                                                • Love The Action
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-08-10
                                                  • 10952

                                                  #25
                                                  There it is boys...the total just dropped to 187 at my local and 5d. Pinny has the stopper on it at 187.5...get on it now if you like the under. Looks like big money just hit as the total dropped despite 75%+ on the over.

                                                  I'm on it for 12.5 u...good luck! Let's cash this ticket!
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                                                  • Hanlidin
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 08-12-10
                                                    • 507

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Love The Action
                                                    There it is boys...the total just dropped to 187 at my local and 5d. Pinny has the stopper on it at 187.5...get on it now if you like the under. Looks like big money just hit as the total dropped despite 75%+ on the over.

                                                    I'm on it for 12.5 u...good luck! Let's cash this ticket!
                                                    12.5 units = $125
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                                                    • Love The Action
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-08-10
                                                      • 10952

                                                      #27
                                                      Bookmaker and greek also down to 187 with rlm.

                                                      Hanlidin...you can leave this thread now as you have nothing worthwhile to add. In the words of uncle paully, "I don't sweat you."
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                                                      • Sunde91
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 11-26-09
                                                        • 8325

                                                        #28
                                                        Agreed. Good info.

                                                        NO is 27th in Scoring Offense, 5th in Scoring D. LAL 7th in Scoring D. 109 in game 1 is a joke.

                                                        LAL finally wakes up, probably blows them out, 100-80 sounds good.
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                                                        • Love The Action
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-08-10
                                                          • 10952

                                                          #29
                                                          Down to 186.5 with 68% on the over. This rlm is just what I predicted...I fully expect this under to cash...good luck!
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                                                          • coinflipper
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 03-09-11
                                                            • 49

                                                            #30
                                                            i thought RLM wasn't that significant with totals
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                                                            • Love The Action
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 11-08-10
                                                              • 10952

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by coinflipper
                                                              i thought RLM wasn't that significant with totals
                                                              Its not as significant as with sides....but based on my tracking, is very successful when 70%+ is one side and late money pushes the total the other way. That is the case here. Good question. What have you found in your experience betting totals?
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                                                              • Love The Action
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 11-08-10
                                                                • 10952

                                                                #32
                                                                SBR was down for awhile. We cashed the OKC under play and the Lakers game is just about to start. I actually upped my play to 15 units, most of it at 187.5 but I also have a few units at 187 and 186.5. This is my biggest play of the season. I really, really hope it hits. Good luck to fellow under backers!
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                                                                • nmodi
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 03-28-11
                                                                  • 278

                                                                  #33
                                                                  i m over on this one but very small play ....i wish u bol
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                                                                  • alamo
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 02-21-09
                                                                    • 7131

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Should slow
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                                                                    • hoyas2007
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 03-24-10
                                                                      • 106

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Are you thinking of hedging at all at halftime? The pace was actually not that slow, but there wasn't too much scoring because there were very few fouls. Both teams shot pretty well - the only thing that scares me is if refs start blowing the whistle more in the second half
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