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  • RoagBettor
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-20-09
    • 8355

    #106
    LOL why did the line open at -2.5?
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    • demens
      SBR MVP
      • 10-22-10
      • 2785

      #107
      Originally posted by RoagBettor
      LOL why did the line open at -2.5?

      What do you think the line should open at?

      Books have a certain process of the way they set the line. I can't pretend that i know exactly how that happens but i have a basic idea. Its based off the Win% and win margins. Then its adjusted of subjective factors like motivation/rest/form and injuries/suspensions and public teams.

      So if record wise Magic come out as a fav, what do you think the line should be set at with Howard out? Books can't just pull one of out their ass and set it at -10 can they?

      They clearly did not set it right since the market moved it all the way to 6. How often does that happen. When it does happen, a move like that is usually cause by a line-up change (injury) AFTER the line is already out. I'd be willing to bet that an NBA line (opener) moving 4 points without an injury announcement hits at an unprecedented high %.
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      • soxwin
        SBR MVP
        • 01-05-10
        • 1885

        #108
        Orlando was +6.5 to close. Nice Value for middling if you predicted the line jump. 4 pts to play with
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        • FindTheLock
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 02-27-10
          • 7194

          #109
          some people have this theory about some mysterious all knowing vegas computer that can predict games on the button every time, and knows what you're having for dinner. These are paranoid beliefs. People like Billy Walters create their own lines and look for soft vegas stuff to unload and get rich on. The lines can be soft, and vegas doesn't know who you're going to bet on until you make your bets, once you do they adjust accordingly to get action on both sides of the game. The allure of a mysterious line being put out there as bait is what keeps a lot of bettors from thinking rationally. Just step back when you start thinking paranoid thoughts, and take a few deep breathes. Vegas doesn't know what's going to happen unless Tim Donaghy is a zebra for the game.
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          • goldengreek
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-25-07
            • 8340

            #110
            Originally posted by demens
            WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????

            Re-check your non existent missing superstar tracker that hits 70%, Howard didn't miss any games in the play-offs last year. Get your facts straight.




            it exists , but im not going to post the name of the forum ( CM )
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            • goldengreek
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-25-07
              • 8340

              #111
              Originally posted by demens
              this is utter garbage.


              wrong
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              • demens
                SBR MVP
                • 10-22-10
                • 2785

                #112
                Prove it. (whats the title of this thread?)


                Btw, FindTheLock, that idea of the over looks genius so far. Dint play it but it was a good idea.
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                • goldengreek
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 09-25-07
                  • 8340

                  #113
                  Originally posted by demens
                  WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????

                  Re-check your non existent missing superstar tracker that hits 70%, Howard didn't miss any games in the play-offs last year. Get your facts straight.

                  SORRY IT WAS 2 YRS AGO

                  DWIGHT DIDNT PLAY IN GAME 6 AT PHILLY

                  THEY WERE 5.5 POINT DOGS AND WON S/U BY 25

                  covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/nba/results/2008-2009/boxscore780185.html
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                  • kingofmonash
                    Restricted User
                    • 04-11-10
                    • 631

                    #114
                    nice game so far - tight , looks like orlando is getting ready for a strong playoff this season
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                    • chantrain
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-14-11
                      • 3244

                      #115
                      Rose 5/5 from the field, don't do em like that D.Rose!

                      but Bulls defense looks whack early
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                      • demens
                        SBR MVP
                        • 10-22-10
                        • 2785

                        #116
                        Bulls 9/10 to start the game. Defense will pick up. Bulls defense i mean.
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                        • RoagBettor
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 01-20-09
                          • 8355

                          #117
                          Hornets also won their first game without David West recently, at Phoenix. First you have to define "star player" and keep in mind it's for the first game they are out, not subsequent games.
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                          • demens
                            SBR MVP
                            • 10-22-10
                            • 2785

                            #118
                            Originally posted by RoagBettor
                            Hornets also won their first game without David West recently, at Phoenix. First you have to define "star player" and keep in mind it's for the first game they are out, not subsequent games.

                            Hornets are 6-2 without David West.

                            Anyone can name a random game where a team won without a star. Show me proof that this is actually something that happens at a winning %.

                            p.s.
                            Bulls are gonna win this game by 20+, Magic have no defense.
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                            • chantrain
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-14-11
                              • 3244

                              #119
                              Originally posted by demens

                              Hornets are 6-2 without David West.

                              Anyone can name a random game where a team won without a star. Show me proof that this is actually something that happens at a winning %.
                              or how the hell that applies to this specific game...
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                              • kingofmonash
                                Restricted User
                                • 04-11-10
                                • 631

                                #120
                                so far looks like orlando seriosly misses dwight ,, lets see how it tarries on
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                                • M.W.
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 09-07-08
                                  • 1668

                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by chantrain
                                  or how the hell that applies to this specific game...
                                  Or how David West qualifies as the star of a team with Chris Paul on it.
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                                  • Pin Fish
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-28-08
                                    • 1295

                                    #122
                                    The system applies to the 1st game playing without star...but it does not apply when multiple starters are out..........
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                                    • demens
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 10-22-10
                                      • 2785

                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by Pin Fish
                                      The system applies to the 1st game playing without star...but it does not apply when multiple starters are out..........
                                      Show me where this system is being tracked.
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                                      • chantrain
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-14-11
                                        • 3244

                                        #124
                                        Bench mob not doing work right now
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                                        • nobull
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 11-24-09
                                          • 830

                                          #125
                                          gambling gods will work their magic wand in this game ? anything's possible
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                                          • demens
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-22-10
                                            • 2785

                                            #126
                                            Originally posted by goldengreek


                                            it exists , but im not going to post the name of the forum ( CM )
                                            I looked at CM and i dont see a thread tracking anything in the 1st 5 pages of the NBA section. Where is it?
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                                            • soxwin
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-05-10
                                              • 1885

                                              #127
                                              Key to winning at gambling. Realizing that what should happen more often than not doesn't.

                                              There are certain trends you just don't go against. Often they don't make sense.

                                              1. betting on team with star out in their 1st game.
                                              2. Sox/Yankee overs
                                              3. Betting under on Coll hoops total 160 and above
                                              4. west coast team play 1 pm east coast game in NFL(trend is winding down but it always was $$$)
                                              5. NFL out of conference game after playing 3 straight division games take out of conf team.

                                              You just bet these games Don't ask why. When you try to justify it, you miss out.
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                                              • Pin Fish
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-28-08
                                                • 1295

                                                #128
                                                Demens..............this system has been in use for a while by many good cappers...........read what I said "but it does not apply when multiple starters are out" ...I have 5 units on the Bulls -3.5.....................
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                                                • demens
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 10-22-10
                                                  • 2785

                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by Pin Fish
                                                  Demens..............this system has been in use for a while by many good cappers...........read what I said "but it does not apply when multiple starters are out" ...I have 5 units on the Bulls -3.5.....................
                                                  Multiple starters are not out for the Magic so not sure why you keep talking about multiple starters.

                                                  And this system is utter made up non sense imo. No offense. Show me proof that its not. Yes i know the Thunder won a game @ Boston without Durrant and that Hornets won a game without West. Show me a comprehensive list of games and cherry pick a random one that fits your argument.
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                                                  • bureK
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 01-21-10
                                                    • 1059

                                                    #130
                                                    Good pick if Rose stays on the bench lol
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                                                    • bowers1989
                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                      • 03-04-11
                                                      • 396

                                                      #131
                                                      bulls need to step up that defense. playing like shit
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                                                      • chantrain
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 03-14-11
                                                        • 3244

                                                        #132
                                                        Rose playing good, its every other starter thats sucking. Defense as a whole looks bad with the starters
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                                                        • goldengreek
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 09-25-07
                                                          • 8340

                                                          #133
                                                          Bulls shot 62.5 % in the first half and we are down 1
                                                          I think we are safe here ( crosses fingers )
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                                                          • BamaBill67
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 11-12-08
                                                            • 682

                                                            #134
                                                            Do the Bulls have any reason to play starters the whole 2H ?
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                                                            • goldengreek
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 09-25-07
                                                              • 8340

                                                              #135
                                                              Originally posted by demens
                                                              Multiple starters are not out for the Magic so not sure why you keep talking about multiple starters.

                                                              And this system is utter made up non sense imo. No offense. Show me proof that its not. Yes i know the Thunder won a game @ Boston without Durrant and that Hornets won a game without West. Show me a comprehensive list of games and cherry pick a random one that fits your argument.
                                                              I told you three fukin times that I have a 2.5 year running thread tracking this system

                                                              Like someone else said above.. ppl dissagree who is considered a "superstar" some ppl will count someone like Stephen Curry.. I dont

                                                              Google it or find out the forum with the initial CM and go find it..its documented in there
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                                                              • goldengreek
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 09-25-07
                                                                • 8340

                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by chantrain
                                                                Rose playing good, its every other starter thats sucking. Defense as a whole looks bad with the starters
                                                                huh ??????

                                                                they shot 65 % as a team... the entire roster was making their shots
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                                                                • chantrain
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 03-14-11
                                                                  • 3244

                                                                  #137
                                                                  ew, Bulls looking awful. Noah and Boozer playing awful.
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                                                                  • FindTheLock
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 02-27-10
                                                                    • 7194

                                                                    #138
                                                                    it's because of the way the magic game plan without howard. vegas has the total set at such a low number because of historical meetings between these two teams having a low number, but without howard the magic shoot more 3's and run a more fluid offense. Howard misses a lot of FT's but he makes up for it with blocked shots and rebounds.
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                                                                    • demens
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 10-22-10
                                                                      • 2785

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by goldengreek
                                                                      I told you three fukin times that I have a 2.5 year running thread tracking this system

                                                                      Like someone else said above.. ppl dissagree who is considered a "superstar" some ppl will count someone like Stephen Curry.. I dont

                                                                      Google it or find out the forum with the initial CM and go find it..its documented in there
                                                                      1st of all, shut your dirty mouth you peace of trash. You run around the forum begging for respect and this is how you respond to people?

                                                                      I asked you 3 fuckin times to show me proof. More then 3 times. Just like i told you you were wrong that Howard missed a play-off game multiple times. Open your eyes and read the posts.

                                                                      Originally posted by demens
                                                                      I looked at CM and i dont see a thread tracking anything in the 1st 5 pages of the NBA section. Where is it?
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                                                                      • goldengreek
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 09-25-07
                                                                        • 8340

                                                                        #140
                                                                        Originally posted by demens
                                                                        1st of all, shut your dirty mouth you peace of trash. You run around the forum begging for respect and this is how you respond to people?

                                                                        I asked you 3 fuckin times to show me proof. More then 3 times. Just like i told you you were wrong that Howard missed a play-off game multiple times. Open your eyes and read the posts.

                                                                        Do you thing you are talking to goat milk ? Put it on pause a bit

                                                                        I was right about Howard missing a playoff game and wrong about the year.

                                                                        Im not your personal fuking servant.. look harder.. Im not gonna get an infraction by posting links to other forums

                                                                        And... I dont have to prove shit to you son.. Who they fuk are you ? GOD ?

                                                                        Take my word for it or not.. if you dont take my word for it than look for it.. if you cant find it too bad ...look harder.

                                                                        Im under no fuking obligation to do shit for you . Do you want me to wipe your ass for u also ?
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