John Morrison 2010 NBA

[Kev the Brit]

JMD:

Miami was not on my spread sheet, but I will add it because it is a 3 game road series two against opposing conference.

The reason why Miami is not on your spreadsheet as a V3 play is because it is listed from 12/8 as a V1 play due to a 4th road game (last 3 out of conf). This is not a problem, and can be to our advantage. We play tonight as V2. If it wins, or loses by a small margin we do not play the V1 because of the filter. If it loses badly (see V1 filter), we convert to V1 and have the opportunity to go to a 4th (although expensive) bet. OK?

[jphil]

I lost my Wizard game betting at +8 points.
Now what shall I do, the next game is LA as shown
in th scheduled , should I bet +() again.
LA is pwerfull team.
Is JM putting me to the wolves so I could loose my money to BETUS.

He didnt send me how to bet the V1, V2, V3 system.

ya signed up for the v1(post1869) didn't ya? or didn't ya? shouldn't ya at least have that?

[Aroostika]

Next v1 bet is Washington +16,5 [b bet] vs. LAL

This series doesn't officially count as a V1 bet--the Wizards have the worst road record. I'd take the A loss if I were you. But I'm not you, so I apologize for telling you what to do. Good luck!

[Kev the Brit]

Guys, although there is a temptation to walk away from the Wizards tomorrow night, there is another system, which is currently 100%, that will probably select the Wizards as a JM style A bet (3 game chase): ATS plus 3. The system is based on very heavy favs taking their foot off the gas in the 4th when they are 10 pts ahead, safe in the knowledge that if the dogs do score a few late points, that the favs will simply pop a few more baskets in the last minutes to ensure a comfortable, although not massive, win. It was flawless last year.

My suggestion for tomorrow night with the wizards is to target a single unit with an A bet (buy 3 pts), so that you can go to a C bet if required. When it wins the series you will recover approx half of your original A bet and you walk away.

Be careful out there...

Regards to all

[EasyHustlin]

ATS plus 3. The system is based on very heavy favs taking their foot off the gas in the 4th when they are 10 pts ahead, safe in the knowledge that if the dogs do score a few late points, that the favs will simply pop a few more baskets in the last minutes to ensure a comfortable, although not masive, win.

Can you expand on this? Are you taking Washington +16.5 for the game or +3 for the 4th quarter? And do you have a link for this system? Thanks.

[jphil]

JMD:The reason why Miami is not on your spreadsheet as a V3 play is because it is listed from 12/8 as a V1 play due to a 4th road game (last 3 out of conf). This is not a problem, and can be to our advantage. We play tonight as V2. If it wins, or loses by a small margin we do not play the V1 because of the filter. If it loses badly (see V1 filter), we convert to V1 and have the opportunity to go to a 4th (although expensive) bet. OK?

kev: was it a legit v2 from the start or not? if it was, then 3 gms. and call it quits, i would think. didn't think ya could start a v1 from the 2nd game? what do i know, when my pdf's are on another comp. & NO ONE seems to have posted it yet on this thread. Seems kinda odd.

[jphil]

Is it true that JM system come from this site and he is selling is to
us for $200 ?
Please just tell the truth.

last i knew it was $197. total after b--l s--t was $212. And why the h'll wouldn't we tell the truth?

[jphil]

Jphil, there are two more filters you didn't mention:
- don't bet on a team with worst road record,
- don't bet on a team with best road record.
V3 is 14-0 so far this season.

thanx k78: again, i unfortunately don't have the pdf's currently to refer to, so i'll have to let jm disciple know, who originally posted it. sometimes i just take those 2 filters w/ a grain of salt anyways, esp. when they have the best rd. rec. When they have the worst, then i may factor in the standings, last 10, overall rec., etc. And most of the time, i just don't give a d'm anymore if i'm playin just B's & C's ayways. Any of jm's filters will drive ya nuts after a while.

[jphil]

kev: was it a legit v2 from the start or not? if it was, then 3 gms. and call it quits, i would think. didn't think ya could start a v1 from the 2nd game? what do i know, when my pdf's are on another comp. & NO ONE seems to have posted it yet on this thread. Seems kinda odd.

my bad, i think. They're intertwined. Like mod. & jm sys's. in NFL.

[BettingTime]

Hey Mitchp,

I read a post that said you had the results from the JM system for 2008-2009.
Would you mind posting that as an excel file.
I'll gladly donate 5 points.
Thanks

If anybody has any other results, I would love to see them. I'll be posting my calculations regarding the results on this forum, so it can't hurt you guys to post them. I'm going back and testing several factors - Including but not limited to The PURE JM system - v1, v2,v3, the Labouchere, the result of buying points. Basically anything that can be gleaned from the results. I hope to use these calcuations to get an extra few percentage of wins.

Thanks guys. If you share the records, I'll share the calculations.

[dvb02]

Hey Mitchp, I read a post that said you had the results from the JM system for 2008-2009. Would you mind posting that as an excel file. I'll gladly donate 5 points. Thanks If anybody has any other results, I would love to see them. I'll be posting my calculations regarding the results on this forum, so it can't hurt you guys to post them. I'm going back and testing several factors - Including but not limited to The PURE JM system - v1, v2,v3, the Labouchere, the result of buying points. Basically anything that can be gleaned from the results. I hope to use these calcuations to get an extra few percentage of wins. Thanks guys. If you share the records, I'll share the calculations.

This may be what you are looking for.

[dvb02]

Has anyone backtested playing JM's Version 1 and/or Version 2 without buying the points? If so, I would like to know the outcome. Thanks

[jphil]

what do You guys think about the whole buying points thing...
last night, I had six bets with betus, the system bets and couple sports picks buffet bets, I won 4 out of six and still just broke even because I bought points on each and every one of them. Betting to win 10USD costs 17USD with 170.
Especially stevex, dvb, jw, kev the great and You experts lot, what do You think... should I just play to cover point spread as advised here and with the sports picks...

Basically how often do the three points really come into play ??? they are costing me a lot in profits-
thanks !!!

i would say to at least make sure ya use the pts. on the C bet, if ya decide to not use pts. on A or B. If jm's pt. sys. wins on A or B, & you lose on either A or B without buyin the pts., then i would end the series & move on. The pts. come in often enough to warrant consideration, esp. on the C bet i would think. Not using 'em could cost ya even less in profits in the long term possibly. Maybe ya could get by w/ just buyin 2 pts. Everyone has their theory. Buying pts., winning 4 out of 6, & breakin even, was last night. Were they all A bet wins? if so, ya got some b's to go.

[dvb02]

Somebody must have kept stats on using his system without buying the points. Come on fellas.

[luzviminda]

Will ythe system work in a real casino bet, can you
please explain ?

[luzviminda]

I thought I had it, but I don't know what I have.
People are talking about version 1, 2 and 3.
How should I know, this is the version.
I have to read it and understnd it from this forum
what is V1 or 2.

[jmjj]

Will ythe system work in a real casino bet, can you
please explain ?

according to what Im told the answer is no they dont and I dont know officially havent personally tried but John said Vegas casino dont let u buy any pts on the NBA so no your hosed unfortuantely which sucks would be nice and a lot easier especially if u are located out there or any sportsbook globally for that matter

[luzviminda]

Yes it's true.

How do you know you justbjoin in 2009 ?
The system said its been going since 2006.

[luzviminda]

according to what Im told the answer is no they dont and I dont know officially havent personally tried but John said Vegas casino dont let u buy any pts on the NBA so no your hosed unfortuantely which sucks would be nice and a lot easier especially if u are located out there or any sportsbook globally for that matter

Are you telling me this because you run sa online betting website or
you are a Bettor .

[jphil]

Will ythe system work in a real casino bet, can you
please explain ?

yes, except that there's 5 different versions w/ jm's casino system. each one must be purchased individually at $197 each. have ya even gotten the basketball systems down pat yet?

[jphil]

Sorry for the multiple post, but could someone direct me to what post # it was that talked about only betting on B and C and skipping A? Please... i cant seem to find it.

Also is this because of the win % with A and the juice the site takes?

I believe if you did this method you would be losing so far this season and because "A" bets have been doing pretty well.

25 out of the possible 34 bets have won on "A" level this year.

34-2 so far this season. 1 loss = 16 units (minnesota 10/30/2010) 1 loss from Pho only on A level -2 units. So i believe we should be up 14 units thus far where as if you skipped A level you should be down money.

does that mean that the b,c record is 7-1? were they all ver. 1's?, & which ver. was the loss on?

ya can start at post 1566 & forward. interesting stats & discussion.

remember that ya can skip the a's, & increase your wagers appropriately starting on the b's, plus the b's & c's have better win %'s.(preferably w/ pt. buyin).

[jmjj]

Are you telling me this because you run sa online betting website or
you are a Bettor .

sorry I thought u were asking if u can bet with Johns NBA system in vegas u can but u just cant buy pts is all I was saying -)

[EasyHustlin]

Somebody must have kept stats on using his system without buying the points. Come on fellas.

I have been asking for this statistic since the first day I starting posting in this thread. I've been using V1 and V3 using a labby and without buying the points. So far I have yet to have a game where the points matter. To me those extra 60 cents that you're paying for points just aren't worth it, especially in a progressive betting system where you're ramping up your bet size after a loss. Not to mention, does anyone actually trust that sleazeball Morrison? The guy that takes your money and pulls reasons out of his ass after a loss to tamper his records? We already know he's in cahoots with Betus. I'm not going to listen to a word of advice from someone working for a book. Thanks for the picks Johnny boy, but I'm keeping my money!

[silass]

The star?

Wonder what that star is after the game with WAS?

John Morrison's Sports Betting Champ System System Pick(s)

12/7 Washington [B]*
LA Lakers

12/7 Denver [A]
Charlotte

12/7 Detroit [A]
Houston

[Aroostika]

Wonder what that star is after the game with WAS?

John Morrison's Sports Betting Champ System System Pick(s)

12/7 Washington [b]*
LA Lakers

12/7 Denver [A]
Charlotte

12/7 Detroit [A]
Houston

Hi Silass,

Although I'm not 100% sure, I think the star has something to do with the fact that Washington has the worst road record and, therefore, this series would not count as a version 1 bet--maybe this is his new way of indicating such, in order to cover his butt. That being said, Denver and Detroit are a go for tonight! Good luck

Aroostika

[ghislaine]

woohoo, thanks again so much jm disciple, had a total of 7 bets with the sports picks buffet bets and the parlay, and Your picks, and managed to pull6 out of 7, waking up to a nice profit !!!
and to all the haters, the system works, and combined with the sports picks buffet bets there is enough action and consistend profit !!

BTW, did not buy points and again, made no diff...
Just saved me money in the one loss.

Later, love all You silly guys

[Kev the Brit]

my bad, i think. They're intertwined. Like mod. & jm sys's. in NFL.

Miami duly won the game tonight (12/06) as a V2 A Bet. Therefore, we do not now play them as a V1 A Bet on 12/08.

From the pdf:

....if a team has been playing road game(s) within their own conference before they start 3 consecutive games vs. 3 opponents from the opposing conference, then you should only treat the 3-game series vs. the opposing conference as eligible for play ONLY if that team has lost ALL of its road games from the beginning of the road trip by more than 3 points against the spread.

Miami is not a V1 play on 12/08. I wil re-post this again on the day, to cater for peope who can't read more than 1 page at a time...

Regards
Kev the wise

[knugen]

So, are Cleveland the only bet for tonight?

[Kev the Brit]

Hi ghislaine, not buying the points is like not buying insurance. You will get away with it for 90% of the time, but then the wheels come off the wagon. I would certainly buy the 3 points on a C Bet, if not on the others. In the 2008/09 season the Clippers won a C bet within the additional 3 point spread. There have also been quite a few A and B bets over the years that have won due to the additional 3 pts. Clearly, those series were not then tracked by me to see if they would have won later in the series without the additional points. However, I would guess that 20% of them failed to win without those points, but I might be wrong.

Regards
Kev the sage

[Stevier100]

Originally Posted by dvb02
Somebody must have kept stats on using his system without buying the points. Come on fellas.

Here seems to be the problem, all the spreadsheets miss out a vital piece of information and that is the final score of all past games plus what the spread was, then, by checking all the scores you would then know wether the points were worth buying or not, another future way to look at it is for the rare occasions that the A bets lose because of not buying 3pts then maybe setup a labby line and offset it against all your other A bets to recoup, I'm not sure about not buying 3 pts for B & C though as by then you are risking alot more.

Another thing is no one seems to take into account that some owners of the system for example would have made bet A & B bets on 17th & 18th Nov because that prick JM didn't bother to answer emails about injury and gave it as a B bet and then went on to cancel the series which resulted in a loss of over -6.3pts, also version 2 took a beating at the start of the season and that was also A bet -1.7pts / B bet -4.59pts / C bet -10.69pts totalling -17.00pts = series loss (inc the buying of 3 pts on all 3 bets) needing 17 winners to recoup the bank loss.

I'm alot wiser now than i was a month ago regarding this system thanks to this forum but there are still lots of people out there who are not, since starting the system my spreadsheet looks like a warzone and has never been the easy win, sit back and get paid shite he claims it to be, I came down to reality very quickly before almost blowing my bank completely on that sales crap like others but with proper management it can work as long as you get on the system at the right time and don't have to play catch up like some of us, very frustrating!!

Originally Posted by :- luzviminda
I lost my Wizard game betting at +8 points.
Now what shall I do, the next game is LA as shown
in th scheduled , should I bet +() again.
LA is pwerfull team.
Is JM putting me to the wolves so I could loose my money to BETUS.

He didnt send me how to bet the V1, V2, V3 system.

Your asking questions that have been answered over and over again even in the short time i've been here, GO BACK AND READ all the thread from the start to understand what you are doing, you was told Washington was a NO BET after seeing advise here, most of the forum members on this thread are very experienced on this system and that prick Mr Morrisson won't help you, he has your money now and your basically on your own!! You need to slow down, It may take you a day or more to read it but it's worth your time and may stop you blowing your bank before you realise its too late!!!

All The Best

[Kev the Brit]

silass:

Wonder what that star is after the game with WAS?

well, if you read it, properly:

John Morrison's Sports Betting Champ System System Pick(s)

12/7 Washington [b]*
LA Lakers
12/7 Denver [A]
Charlotte
12/7 Detroit [A]
Houston
CAUTION: Washington currently has the league's worst road record!

You wouldn't need to post the question .

However, JFM is truly pissing me off (not for the 1st time). Correct me if I'm wrong, but Washington was jointly the worst team on the road before the A bet which he posted wthout the warning. The man is a Cock of the 1st Order. Fortunately, most of us here did not bet on them. However, they are probably a selection for another system tonight, so if you do play them, buy the 3 points.

[ghislaine]

oh and I am also interested if someone has backtested the systems without buying points.

and if somebody gets the sports picks buffet emails, maybe You could consider posting those here http://forum.sbrforum.com/sports-pro...ffet-p108.html , since it might be that chili will not be getting those for ever-

hugs

[Stevier100]

Hi ghislaine, not buying the points is like not buying insurance. You will get away with it for 90% of the time, but then the wheels come off the wagon. I would certainly buy the 3 points on a C Bet, if not on the others. In the 2008/09 season the Clippers won a C bet within the additional 3 point spread. There have also been quite a few A and B bets over the years that have won due to the additional 3 pts. Clearly, those series were not then tracked by me to see if they would have won later in the series without the additional points. However, I would guess that 20% of them failed to win without those points, but I might be wrong.

Regards
Kev the sage

Hi Kev

Shame we cannot look into how many bets would have failed not buying the points on maybe A & B only

The benefits of buying 3pts indicte to me that loss & reward are in the bookies favour and JM benefits from a Great Statistical % when in fact the system works nothing like what he claims you get!!

What happens if you start the system and have a straight series loss of 16.983pts??? Using the betting strategy below you could go 2 full series loses for the price of one and keeping the risk alot lower, also it seems to only benefit the bookie as when you lose its really big and this system has to be applied long term to see a good return and hopefully you have a good run before having any series losses!!

No pts Risk

1st bet...1.1pts risked to win 1pt (need to win 1pt profit @ 1.1 odds (110 spread -no pts bought) = -1.1pts if lost)

2nd bet... 2.31 risked to win 1pt (need to win -1.1 pts loss and 1pt profit @1.1 odds (110 spread -no pts bought) = -2.31pts if lost)

3rd bet... 4.851 risked to win 1pt (need to win -3.41 pts loss and 1pt profit @1.1 odds (110 spread -no pts bought) = -4.851pts if lost)

Total 3 Bet Series Loss with No pts -1.1 -2.31 -4.851 = 8.261pts
Total 3 Bet Series Loss Buying Pts -1.7 -4.59 -10.693= 16.983pts

I Might look into doing it this way, Opinions please!!!

Using a Labby on the first 2 bets and buying no pts then maybe doing all C bets with 3pts bought keeps your liability 50% lower, you are only -3.31pts if by chance a B bet loses by not buying 3pts and getting earlier prices can save you at least one point IMHO!!

Constructive views appreciated!!

Steve

[jphil]

Miami duly won the game tonight (12/06) as a V2 A Bet. Therefore, we do not now play them as a V1 A Bet on 12/08.

From the pdf:

....if a team has been playing road game(s) within their own conference before they start 3 consecutive games vs. 3 opponents from the opposing conference, then you should only treat the 3-game series vs. the opposing conference as eligible for play ONLY if that team has lost ALL of its road games from the beginning of the road trip by more than 3 points against the spread.

Miami is not a V1 play on 12/08. I wil re-post this again on the day, to cater for peope who can't read more than 1 page at a time...

Regards
Kev the wise

KEV THE WISE: Beautiful. My memory has been refreshed now. nice v2 win!! Beings i didn't play it, maybe i'll try the B bet on the v1 series (if it goes to that) just for grins & giggles.

[dvb02]

I may have to do some backtesting on NOT buying the points. If I do, I will post the results.