Danny Ainge... C'Mon Man!

**BatemanPatrickl** · 06-29-07, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

I'm a Celtic's fan on my Father's side but this is tough to watch. The team's biggest weapon is a wing player who needs the ball to create his own shot. How does Danny use his biggest asset to compliment that? He adds a wing player who needs the ball to create his own shot.

One of these players will be reduced to a spot up shooter so when shooting is off... lookout! The Celts are a great team to bet against when they are deep into road trips and these old legs (and ankles) are tired.

The season total under prop might be a deal if the general perception really is that the Celts are going to compete for the East now. Maybe Doc can sit Allen and Pierce after the Allstar break so he can draft OJ Mayo and extend his contract to 2015.

Agree 110%. Celts have been cursed since Len Bias pulled a River Phoenix. What could have been. Reggie Lewis dies, Celts waste draft picks, Ainge takes over and the rest is history. Let's not forget old Rick Pitino as well.

**isetcap** · 06-29-07, 10:43 AM

This trade was bad for Boston and worse for Seattle.

**Seattle Slew** · 06-29-07, 11:32 AM

Just what Boston needs. An aging shooter who plays no defense with two bad ankles. I be shocked if Allen played 60 games. He's on the back end of his career. Celtics will not make the playoffs.

As for Ainge, he's awful but until the owners fire him and Doc Rivers they deserve all those empty seats in the stands.

**ShamsWoof10** · 06-29-07, 11:42 AM

Danny should be wear Doc. is... He coached for the Suns and did very well... He never returned...

**Bill Dozer** · 06-29-07, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

This trade was bad for Boston and worse for Seattle.

I like the trade from Sonic's standpoint. Getting rid of a vet who still has a couple good yrs left will help them get another lottery pick in 08. A lot of teams want to gut themselves but can't because they need to sell seats. Portland and Seattle can ship out their money makers and be OK.

**Bill Dozer** · 06-29-07, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl

Agree 110%. Celts have been cursed since Len Bias pulled a River Phoenix. What could have been. Reggie Lewis dies, Celts waste draft picks, Ainge takes over and the rest is history. Let's not forget old Rick Pitino as well.

Right. The Celts had this type of team with Walker and Pierce and Ray Allen played with Michael Redd.

**JBC77** · 06-29-07, 05:46 PM

It could be years before we see another good Celtics team.....I just hope it's not decades.

**jjgold** · 06-29-07, 07:03 PM

Boston goes 20-62 next year

worst coach and gm in league

**Bill Dozer** · 06-30-07, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by JBC77

It could be years before we see another good Celtics team.....I just hope it's not decades.

If the Celtics can suck enough before the trade deadline, there is hope that they start rebuilding this year and move those contracts. But even then, we know Ainge will waste them. That ownership needs to clean house...hand everything over to Larry Bird.

**ShamsWoof10** · 06-30-07, 01:44 PM

Bird should manage Danny should coach...

**RickySteve** · 06-30-07, 02:25 PM

Wrong forum.

**isetcap** · 06-30-07, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

I like the trade from Sonic's standpoint. Getting rid of a vet who still has a couple good yrs left will help them get another lottery pick in 08. A lot of teams want to gut themselves but can't because they need to sell seats. Portland and Seattle can ship out their money makers and be OK.

Last time I checked, the city most likely to lose its team was Seattle. I wonder just how inspired people are going to be to fund a new arena for a team that will struggle to win 20 games. I've mentioned it before in the basketball area, but Seattle is letting its best player go without anything in return and then finally managed to get rid of its second best player for a group of players that might excite about 3 people if Jeff Green's family moves to Washington. I suppose it makes sense from an ownership standpoint when it is more and more apparent that they want to move this team, but looking at what could have been versus what is actually taking place can only lead me to believe that this trade is bad for Seattle but good for Oklahoma City.

**jjgold** · 06-30-07, 04:05 PM

This ex players just are not capable of being good GM's, ect

Most just are too dumb

**isetcap** · 08-02-07, 06:58 AM

That Danny Ainge just has no idea what he's doing.

**Bill Dozer** · 08-02-07, 12:11 PM

Eddie House was a good signing for 1.5 mil. Tall stiffs Webber, Mutombo, Corliss Williamson, Cato, Croshere and Dale Davis are out there right now.

McHale might be less of a GM than Danny. Does Ainge get credit for this team if they win something? There is no way he thought he was getting Garnett when he traded his best asset for Ray Ankles.

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-02-07, 02:50 PM

Getting KG in his possible prime, age, not court years was at least an accomplishment. They got jacked by karma for tanking and at least pulled off some nice trades. These former Celts/Motowners save Joe are really the worst gm's. Zeke, McHale and Larry are just bottom of the barrell. Danny right there. Did Kupcake ever play for either of these two?

East looks like a real down year again. Even Motown and Heat are slipping. Celts could gel and make some noise for sure now. Need one or two defenders...

Best Wishes...OF

**Bill Dozer** · 08-02-07, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Omnivorous Frog

Getting KG in his possible prime, age, not court years was at least an accomplishment. They got jacked by karma for tanking and at least pulled off some nice trades. These former Celts/Motowners save Joe are really the worst gm's. Zeke, McHale and Larry are just bottom of the barrell. Danny right there. Did Kupcake ever play for either of these two?

East looks like a real down year again. Even Motown and Heat are slipping. Celts could gel and make some noise for sure now. Need one or two defenders...

Best Wishes...OF

The East is indeed fading. Anyone see a prop bet on "Will the Heat make the playoffs?" If Shaq is eating this summer they just might miss.

Welcome to the board Frog

**jjgold** · 08-02-07, 04:12 PM

Ainge gets fired within 2 months if Boston not in 1st place

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-02-07, 04:15 PM

The Heat, the one year Cuban cussed out the refs wonder, are a geriatric squad ready to drop. Even the coach is on his last legs. When will he quit? Shaq never does anything over the summer, and then gets hurt every November/December. He also is winding down fast. They flopped out of playoffs faster than any former champ, ever. I could see them not making it at all this season, as no help and the ones that care already have rings. Unless DWade gets 30 FTA's a night, they could miss out completely. I thought this was a go Celts thread? Thanks for the welcome...

Best Wishes...OF

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-02-07, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Ainge gets fired within 2 months if Boston not in 1st place

Did they change the NBA guidance and operating manual?

How many coaches have McHale, Zeke, Larry and Danny gone through, and they are still around. GM's don't get fired, coaches do. Come on jj, you want some action on that prop?

**t2wentyfou4r** · 08-03-07, 12:13 PM

Ainge will not be fired if there not in first place next season. If Boston makes the playoffs, he will keep his job for a couple more years. The trade for Garnett saved his job, and ass.

**t2wentyfou4r** · 08-03-07, 12:17 PM

Also... please Boston fans....stop comparing this trio to the great trio of the past. These guys aren't in the same level as Bird, Parrish, and McHale. The team in the 80's also had a great bench.

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-03-07, 12:18 PM

GM's do not even have to be competent to stay employed. And it is tough to measure their results except for bottom line wins/losses. And if that goes bad it is time for a coaching change, then trade for new players. All of these reject gm's, even in NFL know this trick.

Frog rule of thumb for NBA GM's: They get to fire and hire at least 3 coaches, within 4 to 5 seasons before they are even in trouble.*

* Void if ownership changes.

**Bill Dozer** · 08-03-07, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by t2wentyfou4r

Also... please Boston fans....stop comparing this trio to the great trio of the past. These guys aren't in the same level as Bird, Parrish, and McHale. The team in the 80's also had a great bench.

I agree but I blame the Celtics. They want all the credit for putting these names together but none of the responsibility if they don't win it. Why did they bring Paul Pierce out of hibernation to hold up his jersey with the new guys?

In the middle of the Celts photo shoot Ainge and Rivers are saying "there is no big three yet. They haven't won anything yet." But Paul... put your arm around Ray and say cheese.

**imgv94** · 08-03-07, 03:58 PM

Now I know for sure this was a good trade..

**EJandV** · 08-03-07, 08:00 PM

3 big names out of the blue come together , sounds good for a fant leauge east only , who is the go to guy # 1 scoring option , why should I look for true chemistry between these guys ? Since they play in the east of course they will be good if they can stay healthy , the teams that made the playoffs in the east had records that were downright pitiful . The Leauge needs to put some west teams in the east to make it fair . Big names in sports on the same team = you tell me who is the real star here ? Its not the 70s.... Ray Allen was in a movie because he was cheaper than getting Jordan . I saw Pierce hit the game winner from 3 at the Wiz , wow . Garnettt is branded . Yeah sounds promising since they dont play the spurs suns mavs on a reg . They will beat Kobes team I would bet on that for sure .

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-03-07, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by t2wentyfou4r

Also... please Boston fans....stop comparing this trio to the great trio of the past. These guys aren't in the same level as Bird, Parrish, and McHale. The team in the 80's also had a great bench.

Was hard to say trio when speaking of Birds glory years. It was more known for the 5 starters. Parish, McHale, Bird, Ainge, DJ. Walton played inspirational one year and ML Carr waved a mean towel. Oh yes, Jerry Sichting also took a good sucker punch. The bench was one of the worst ever. The years they did not make the Finals they usually got tired from heavy minutes and the bench failing to hold leads. I can still here super homer Tommy crying about that today. Not only would I not say great I would say terrible.

**t2wentyfou4r** · 08-05-07, 01:51 PM

I wish Boston luck. The NBA is not the same when teams like Boston, and New York stink. Hopefully the moves by both teams would help the East catch up to the West. Enjoy Garnett in his prime for a couple more years. He is 31, but an old 31.

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-05-07, 01:59 PM

You know it is tough to tell what kg has left. A lot of years on the hardwood, but he is in his age athletic prime. Never had a bad injury, I can't really remember any injuries. No bad feet, knees or back. Boston has a chance at least to make people forget Bias. Remember the glory years. Zeke and the Knicks are down for the count for years to come. And they wanted to get rid of Layden. Personally I think the NBA has much bigger fish to fry than hoping Boston and New York are competitive. I think zebra training and housebreaking are top priority.

**t2wentyfou4r** · 08-05-07, 02:30 PM

KG might have alot in the tank left, but he has been in the league since 1995. I see most of these players that come into the NBA directly from high school will break down by there 30's. When you compare an NBA player that plays College basketball first plays around 40 games during a College season. For example Tim Duncan played around 150-160 games in his 4 years in college. Players like KG, and Kobe played around 300 games in there first 4 years in the NBA. Thats alot of wear, and tear on a body.
One example...Look at Shawn Kemp, (I'm not saying KG will be like him) Shawn Kemp during his playing days with the Sonic was a man child, but he started to lose it by his 30's.

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-05-07, 02:48 PM

Sean Kemp ate his way out of shape. Fat ****. But I do agree the hardwood floor time wears you down no matter what. But to me the guys that drive and get knocked to the floor repeatedly are the ones to breakdown first. Low post players last a long time, look at Kevin Willis. Centers and power forwards rely on strength and skill down low vs. quickness and agility. PG's in their mid 30's are one injury away from retiring. Plus injury history. As long as his back, feet and knees stay relatively injury free. Time will tell.

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-08-07, 02:43 PM

Now journeyman Scot Pollard, the comedian hair stylist, and trying to lure lifelong Pacer Reggie out of retirement. Can't have enough big bangers coming off the bench, and getting Reggie for 15 minutes a game could not hurt. Ol Danny boy has completely overhauled this junk roster, like him or not. While all of his Celt buddies, McHale and Bird watch their teams turn into cellar dwellers, at least he is trying something bold. Filling the holes, adding depth. Anything to get off the zebra traitor story can only help. Can you get a pocket ref?

**bigboydan** · 08-08-07, 02:51 PM

Now I see that Ainge is trying to get Reggie Miller out of retirement. LMFAO

**Omnivorous Frog** · 08-08-07, 03:01 PM

I am not so sure that is a bad idea. 3 point specialist, and probably was one of the best Pacers when he retired. Never injury prone, and had an eye until the end. Plus his experience and locker room input could only be beneficial. You are not going to get 40 minutes or much defense, but you park him behind the arc he will require a defender. And he does hit ft's. Plenty of holes to fill, he could be an upgrade.