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  • hels
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 04-12-09
    • 8767

    #33496
    [quote=Goat Milk;5046199]
    Originally posted by Goat Milk
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    Let’s just get into the keys and the important parts.

    Boston is the same deadly half-court defensive team they were in 08. The 1 serious flaw with the Celtics defense that can be exploited is their transition D. The Lakers are a half-court offensive team. But think about who they have played in the Playoffs thus far. OKC, Utah, and the Suns—all fast-paced offensive teams that like to run with the rock. I think you know what I’m getting at. I was saying that for the Magic to win games they need to push the ball, Wario didn't figure it out til game 4. Magic won 2 straight.

    Boston has played all half-court teams this playoffs. The Heat, the Cavs, the Magic. The Celtics wouldn’t be able to handle a fast-paced Suns team. They would wear them out over 7 games. Although some say the Lakers haven’t been tested defensively, they are a defense-in-progress, and playing against three of the best offensive teams in the league only made their defense better over the last month. Have the Celtics been challenged defensively? They guarded Lebron, but that's because Lebron doesn't have a jump shot like Kobe. D Wade destroyed the Celtics in that series. If only he had a few DECENT players....

    MATCHUPS
    KOBE VS. CELTICS: In 08, Kobe was too aggressive. Trying to drive and get to the rim too much. Celtics were trapping him hard when he tried to drive. Kobe will conserve his energy for the end of these games, watch. He will shoot jumpers as long as theyre testing him. . Kobe is going to start each game taking lots of jumpers, then they will realize how deadly he is from mid range and not give him space. They're finished once they try to body him up on the elbow.
    *Ray Allen and Toney Allen will guard Kobe in this series.

    Lets just omit this as well: Boston is not tougher than the Lakers. Mentally, the Lakers are tougher this year than they were in 08, the Celtics can get rattled easily offensively before they regroup. Physically the Celtics are tougher.
    Artest vs. Pierce: Artest is one of the best covers in the league on Pierce. No strength advantage for Pierce. Artest has some of the quickest hands in the league, he knows Pierces move its a step back jumper from either elbow. Artest knows this move, whats good about Artest even though hes still not a great defensive player is that he stays down on pump fakes. Pierce will have a few huge games in this series, most likely game 3 in Boston IMO.
    Artest has all the confidence in the world after that pussy buzzer beater. I knew it when I bet the Suns game 6 that Artest would be my biggest fear Hes going to be a BIG factor in this series.

    Rondo vs. Kobe/Fisher/Brown: Fisher will guard Rondo to begin with, I wouldnt be surprised if Phil put Kobe on Pierce in the beginning to conserve his energy and put Ron on Ray Allen, but Kobe will make that decision himself. When Fisher is out of the game, Kobe will guard Rondo. Has anyone ever seen Kobe Bryant play defense when hes trying? Kobe will shut down Rondo. Rondo plays off the pick and roll, but playing against Kobe will intimidate him trust me. Hell hesitate to knock down the jumper.
    The great thing about Rondo is that he can create his own driving lanes. He doesnt need a lane he just makes his own. Rondo better not get too fancy with the Ball against Kobe though unless he wants to get swiped. Rondo will get his against Fisher and Brown all day. I dont know when Kobe will demand to be put on Rondo. Maybe wel see it in Game 1.
    There is one play the Celtics like to run in Key situations. Let rondo dribble left from the baseline area off two screens, one from ray and one from KG. KG then sets a pick for Ray and Rondo find him at the top of the key for a 3 usually.
    KG Gasol: KG not the same as he was in 08. Same intensity, same focus, not the same athletically. I think KG is going to get lots of looks though off Rondo pick and Roll and Gasol will be left stranded in the lane at times. KG will play well this series. Gasol can shoot over the top of KG any day. Hes too long and KG has lost the lift in his legs.

    Other matchups:
    When Odom and Gasol are in the game, Rivers will use Perkins/Sheed and KG/Davis. Sheed is a solid Cover on Gasol, and Odom and KG will get the better of one another at different points in this series. Big Baby will also guard Odom throughout this series. But that is a huge mismatch in Odoms favor. When Phil sees that matchup he will tell Odom to bring the ball up the court and just take Davis off the dribble from the 3 line.
    Bynum vs. Perkins/Sheed: Bynum will be solid offensively in the first 2 games of this series. Hes rested, and hes being directed to say his knee just feels okay. Hes ready to go at least for game 1-2. Perkins has a nice matchup on the offensive end, but the Celts won’t give it to him in the post .Perkins can take Bynum in the post any day if he wants.
    Sheed vs. Odom- when Sheed is in the game Odom will guard him. Sheeds only advantage here is taking Odom in the post. Odom can guard him on the perimeter. Sheeds post game is nothing. It used to be amazing.
    Vujacic/Bryant/Artest/Shannon Brown on Ray Allen: Ray Allen is going to have a BIG series. Vujacic is going to have to play huge minutes in this series because Phil likes his peskiness against Ray. Shannon Brown is not very good at running through screen, Ray Allen will destroy Brown, so im not even sure if Phil will toy with this idea. Kobe will guard Ray limited minutes to conserve his energy.

    Celtics Bench: Marquis Daniels blows. If he plays any time in this series I wouldnt be surprised because Rivers is the worst coach in the NBA at using his bench. Ive been saying for so long why arent they playing Nate Robinson? He’s instant offense. Sure enough Marquis and Tony getting injured was a blessing in disguise for the Celtics because Rivers finally played Robinson. Robinson will play great in Boston. Sheed has been discussed. Tony Allen is just for defensive purposes, but is a solid offensive transition player. Michael Finely is washed up. **Michael Finely will hit 1 big shot for the Celts in a game. Big Baby discussed.

    Lakers Bench: Vujacic will play big minutes to stay with Ray defensively. Phil will go with whoever is hot Brown or Farmar, they will both play against Nate Robinson. Powell will play minutes against Big Baby/KG. Nate Robinson is a very good defender. He might irritate these guys at different points in this series. Luke Walton will play a bit as well, hes a solid facilitator. Brown is too big for Robinson though. I think hell ask for it in the post a lot when theyre both on the floor together. Odom is a big factor for LA. Lets just say that when Odom plays well the Lakers are tough to beat.
    Once the Celtics realize they cant guard Kobe the same way as they did last time, theyre going to get lost defensively and start leaving those guys for open 3s. You're not going to be able to collapse on Bryant this time, he knows where the help is coming from and will just go away from it, hes studied film for the last 2 years probably every night.

    Fisher: Fisher will have a solid series. Hit a few big shots like always. Rondo defense cant really be used to Boston’s advantage guarding Fisher, Farmar, or Brown 1 on 1. Instead of shutting down a player like Mo Williams or Jameer, who need to play great for their teams to win.

    **Boston will switch to the zone at some point most likely. I would be very shocked if Boston comes out with a zone to begin with, but they have definitely looked at some of the things PHX was doing. Either way, LA learned to play against an effective zone, and Boston will come out man to man game 1. Rondos speed is a big problem for Fisher and Farmar, but Bryant knows how to play him, speed becomes irrelevant when your giving the guy the jumper. Boston doesnt know any better than to play the same defense they have been playing this whole playoffs and what they played against Kobe in 08. They will make adjustments accordingly.

    WHAT WILL PHIL DO?
    -Lakers will fade the triangle offense at times
    - Iso at the elbow with Bryant. Two man pick and roll with Kobe and Gasol/Odom on one side of the floor. If Kobe just goes away from the help hell have that running jump shot he likes so much.
    - Why is Phil trying to get in Garnettes head? Come on Phil, youre not going to get in Nets head with those comments.
    - Use Odom big minutes and let him basically run the point against a slow KG or Big Baby.
    - Get Bynum going early
    - Dont slow the ball down. Run with the ball. Get into your offensive sets very quickly.


    What Will Rivers Do?
    - Play Big Baby and Nate Robinson 1 and 2 off the benc
    - Lots of pick and Roll sets Garnett/Big Baby and Rondo/Robinson
    - Isolations for Ray Allen at times
    - Try to establish KG early
    - Pierce isos on the elbow as usual, Perkins/Sheed will usually set a pick for him because he's not looking to really pass off the pick and roll. He's going to the hole.
    - How do you get the Lakers to collapse in paint if Pierce can't draw a double and neither can Rondo?
    - Slow down the ball: take great, efficient shots, be patient on offense
    - Not go for too many offensive rebounds. Get back-- transition D.


    Are the Lakers a better team than they were in 08? Yes. Gasol is now a champion. Artest is much better than Ariza. Artest will prove a lot of people wrong this series. Bench has the experience and the ring. They lost Rodmanavic, no one else important. The Celtics should have swept the Lakers in 08 the way the Lakers played. Everything they did was forced.
    Are the Celtics a better team than they were in 08? Yes. Rondo is much better than he was in 08. But KG is worse. Pierce and Allen are the same. The Celtics bench is worse IMO. James Posey was a huge part of that Celtics team as was Leone Powe. The only good addition this year was Nate Robinson. Sheed is too inconsistent. Posey and Powe brought it every night they were the leaders off that bench.
    The Celtics are dogs though, and they thrive on being dogs. For those that think the Celtics will go down in 4 or 5 or maybe even 6 should consider this.


    Rivers>Phil (no, Phil is no zen-master. They both know how to inspire their guys, but Phil is weird and doesn't make adjustments as good as Rivers)
    Celtics Bench =(>) Lakers Bench
    Gasol and KG will be solid all series
    Odom will outlay Big Baby and Sheed
    Ray Allen will have a big series
    Pierce will struggle at times. He will have big games and he will have horrible games.

    Artest (BUT SOLID DEFNESIVELY FOR THE MOST PART) and [b]Fisher will have a solid series

    [b]Rondo will struggle at times

    Kobe>Celtics



    what will happen game 6
    sarcasm?
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    • kobefanatic
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 01-19-10
      • 9013

      #33497
      i'll just jack off fuk me
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      • sharper2
        SBR MVP
        • 03-30-10
        • 2724

        #33498
        Donaghy's gonna destroy the refs in his next write up. Won't his blue print point to a LA game 6 victory and then who knows for game 7
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        • Goat Milk
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 03-24-10
          • 25850

          #33499
          If Boston doesn't win game 6 they will lose the series 100%. They will give it everything they have in game 6.
          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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          • TNT28
            SBR Sharp
            • 03-22-10
            • 274

            #33500
            The Lakers will not win the championship. They had the experience and it showed when they beat Orlando last year but not against this Boston team. Kobe can't win it by himself and that's what happened tonight. Plus Boston has the advantage from the bench. I don't think that's debatable. LB loves his Lakers and I feel for ya. Terrible feeling when your team loses, especially the damn championship. But I think you already know this series is over LB. Time to get some money back at least with Boston. Or maybe just sit it out cuz God forbid you bet against the Lakers and then they win!
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            • lakerboy
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 04-02-09
              • 94372

              #33501
              Originally posted by Goat Milk
              If Boston doesn't win game 6 they will lose the series 100%. They will give it everything they have in game 6.

              Lakers are 12-1 all time in game 7's at home. Only loss was to Boston Celtics.
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              • paco
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 05-07-09
                • 62873

                #33502
                Originally posted by lakerboy
                tough night bro.
                martingale in effect now. fvck capping.
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                • Goat Milk
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 03-24-10
                  • 25850

                  #33503
                  Originally posted by lakerboy


                  Lakers are 12-1 all time in game 7's at home. Only lose was to Boston Celtics.
                  Boston will be exhausted after game 6. They will give it everything they have. Lakers will win a game 7 by 25+.

                  Boston +6.5 is the play LB. And even if I lose, its a win win for me because Lakers win the series if they win.
                  Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                  • lyon804
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 11-02-09
                    • 6526

                    #33504
                    Nothing has really changed.... DEFENSE wins championships. TEAMS wins championships. Bryant has proved over and over he is the best player in the game, but he cannot win it by himself. Some will complain and say he should get his teammates more involved.. Well he tried and they failed. Nobody outside of Kobe Bryant was prepared to win in that environment tonite. However, the Lakers will be back home for the final 2 and I expect better games from Kobe's supporting cast.


                    what a series.
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                    • Pauulzcappin
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 04-23-10
                      • 20295

                      #33505
                      So do you guys think Lakers are done?
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                      • suicidekings
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 03-23-09
                        • 9962

                        #33506
                        Originally posted by lakerboy
                        Can LA win both games at home?
                        On an assumed Lakers ML of -300 for both games, the implied probability of the Lakers winning both gm6 & gm7 is about a 56%. Not overwhelming, but Boston backers definitely should not be counting their money from series bets yet.
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                        • lakerboy
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 04-02-09
                          • 94372

                          #33507
                          Originally posted by Goat Milk
                          Boston will be exhausted after game 6. They will give it everything they have. Lakers will win a game 7 by 25+.

                          Boston +6.5 is the play LB. And even if I lose, its a win win for me because Lakers win the series if they win.

                          I think the lack of rest in between tonights game and a possible game 7 will hurt Bynum more. This 2 day break was LA's best chance and they never took advantage of it. Without a healthy Bynum the Lakers cant beat the celtics.
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                          • kobefanatic
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 01-19-10
                            • 9013

                            #33508
                            Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
                            So do you guys think Lakers are done?
                            nope lakers loss by 6 with only kobe showing up, that's a positive thing for me
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                            • Goat Milk
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 03-24-10
                              • 25850

                              #33509
                              Originally posted by lakerboy


                              I think the lack of rest in between tonights game and a possible game 7 will hurt Bynum more. This 2 day break was LA's best chance and they never took advantage of it. Without a healthy Bynum the Lakers cant beat the celtics.
                              In a game 7 at home Bryant will win by himself.

                              Game 6 is Boston's to lose
                              Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                              • Pauulzcappin
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 04-23-10
                                • 20295

                                #33510
                                LB, they can actually, if Artest can hit some fukkin shots and Sasha gets minutes.
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                                • Pauulzcappin
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-23-10
                                  • 20295

                                  #33511
                                  Originally posted by kobefanatic
                                  nope lakers loss by 6 with only kobe showing up, that's a positive thing for me
                                  That's what I was thinking, it's what worries me the most.

                                  Everyone in Boston had a very good game except for Ray Allen, Kobe almost tanked them by himself with Gasol didn't even showing up.

                                  My money is on Lakers for the series, but I gotta say I'm a bit worried.
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                                  • PAULYPOKER
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                                    • 12-06-08
                                    • 36585

                                    #33512
                                    Originally posted by lakerboy
                                    Lakers are 12-1 all time in game 7's at home. Only loss was to Boston Celtics.
                                    They are 2outof 11 against Boston History does not change the Lakers are still the Lakers and Boston is still Boston just different players but same blueprint
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                                    • Goat Milk
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 03-24-10
                                      • 25850

                                      #33513
                                      Interviewer: "Do you think you could have done better tonight? What do you think about your perfomance"
                                      Kobe: "I forgot about it"
                                      "Just move on to the next game"

                                      him and jordan have crazy focus.
                                      Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                      • kobefanatic
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 01-19-10
                                        • 9013

                                        #33514
                                        Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
                                        That's what I was thinking, it's what worries me the most.

                                        Everyone in Boston had a very good game except for Ray Allen, Kobe almost tanked them by himself with Gasol didn't even showing up.

                                        My money is on Lakers for the series, but I gotta say I'm a bit worried.
                                        KG had already blown his load in this game, don't think he will have another game like this, same with PP
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                                        • Pauulzcappin
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 04-23-10
                                          • 20295

                                          #33515
                                          Pierce was due to a great game, this was it.

                                          I'm pretty sure the reffing won't be as "bad" for the next game also.
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                                          • PAULYPOKER
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 12-06-08
                                            • 36585

                                            #33516
                                            Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                            Interviewer: "Do you think you could have done better tonight? What do you think about your perfomance" Kobe: "I forgot about it" "Just move on to the next game" him and jordan have crazy focus.
                                            But you will back him the next game to so who has crazy focus here
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                                            • kobefanatic
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 01-19-10
                                              • 9013

                                              #33517
                                              Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
                                              Pierce was due to a great game, this was it.

                                              I'm pretty sure the reffing won't be as "bad" for the next game also.
                                              look for dickfuk bavetta the next game
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                                              • Snowball
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 11-15-09
                                                • 30047

                                                #33518
                                                Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                If Boston doesn't win game 6 they will lose the series 100%. They will give it everything they have in game 6.
                                                that's funny, I think the Lakers will get help from the refs in game 6 and probably pull it out.. NBA gets its gm 7 and then the refs play square in gm 7 and Celtics win the championship Thursday night.
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                                                • ExposingLines247
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 10-25-09
                                                  • 1001

                                                  #33519
                                                  wah all you faker fans here we are closing in on another with whats that yes killer defense and a great TEAM this is gonna be fun it wont be easy but celebrating out in la will be historic. This whole team is focused not just one player kobe can get his, the more he scores the better chance the cs win it seems. Just cant put a number on a great team d and a team that has the ability to have anyone lead the team in scoring and still win the game. Scary the cs are now outscoring them in the paint
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                                                  • bluegg
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 12-28-09
                                                    • 308

                                                    #33520
                                                    Originally posted by Goat Milk
                                                    Interviewer: "Do you think you could have done better tonight? What do you think about your perfomance"
                                                    Kobe: "I forgot about it"
                                                    "Just move on to the next game"

                                                    him and jordan have crazy focus.
                                                    i lold hes fckin alpha
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                                                    • Capybara
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 08-17-08
                                                      • 11803

                                                      #33521


                                                      Terrific win!!!!!!!! Like Doc said, there was gonna be a game when Kobe went nuts -- it happened, and we survived. Phew!

                                                      Celts really impressed me tonight -- solid games from everyone, especially Pierce (who's completely solved Artest at this point), and they survived a million turnovers because of great shooting, awesome rebounding, and most of all that same 2008 suffocating defense.

                                                      Felt like the refs let them play a little more tonight... not perfect, but better.

                                                      Lot of work to be done yet to bring in #18, but I'll take my chances needing one out of two, and with everyone playing well right now.

                                                      Bynum: Feel bad for the guy since he's toughing it out, but he did not seem right tonight. That is a big key for Celtics success!
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                                                      • paco
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 05-07-09
                                                        • 62873

                                                        #33522
                                                        capy,
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                                                        • Capybara
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 08-17-08
                                                          • 11803

                                                          #33523
                                                          Originally posted by paco
                                                          capy,
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                                                          • MidgetTossers
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 11-06-09
                                                            • 13376

                                                            #33524
                                                            well at least the new season of true blood starts tonight
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                                                            • Hoopster17
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 06-01-10
                                                              • 238

                                                              #33525
                                                              Tough loss tonight laker backers. Lets get it back next game!
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                                                              • melia26
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 10-16-08
                                                                • 455

                                                                #33526
                                                                Please don't spoil True Blood MT, I'm gonna watch it later this week!
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                                                                • MidgetTossers
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 11-06-09
                                                                  • 13376

                                                                  #33527
                                                                  Originally posted by melia26
                                                                  Please don't spoil True Blood MT, I'm gonna watch it later this week!
                                                                  im not spoiling anything bro...just happy its on after the bloodbath i took tonight...
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                                                                  • t-wizzle
                                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                    • 12-18-09
                                                                    • 38099

                                                                    #33528
                                                                    Yea, I know the lakers are better at home, but I think a lot of people are gonna bank on L.A. turning it around and the fact is that Boston is the better team and they want it more. Kobe can't possibly do more than he did tonight. Are people really willing to make a play on L.A. with the expectation that guys like Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, and Ron Artest will somehow find something that they haven't had the past few games? I don't see it happening.
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                                                                    • suicidekings
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 03-23-09
                                                                      • 9962

                                                                      #33529
                                                                      Originally posted by t-wizzle
                                                                      Yea, I know the lakers are better at home, but I think a lot of people are gonna bank on L.A. turning it around and the fact is that Boston is the better team and they want it more. Kobe can't possibly do more than he did tonight. Are people really willing to make a play on L.A. with the expectation that guys like Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, and Ron Artest will somehow find something that they haven't had the past few games? I don't see it happening.
                                                                      The Lakers winning 6 & 7 is going to be tough and will require a much better team effort than they showed tonight. I'm torn on whether or not to play this game or just ride out my Boston futures.
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                                                                      • t-wizzle
                                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                        • 12-18-09
                                                                        • 38099

                                                                        #33530
                                                                        Originally posted by suicidekings
                                                                        The Lakers winning 6 & 7 is going to be tough and will require a much better team effort than they showed tonight. I'm torn on whether or not to play this game or just ride out my Boston futures.
                                                                        By the way, i didn't think there was anything wrong with the opening line. I did the because i was kinda joking saying that it's free money to take boston but also that it's your typical Lakers @ home line.
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