I was checking out Hoopsedge's site and they have moved every single line once they post their line. I am only talking about sides, I didn't look at O/U's. The line they took it at has been a better line than the closing line in every single game. The line has NEVER moved in the opposite direction of their play. Looks like oddsmakers really respect these people even though their record is 22-21 down 1 unit.
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Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
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Hoopsedge is 2-10 on their last 12 O/U plays. Next time you see a line change like 3 or 4 points on the over under might want to go the other way.Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
Good infro SJ! Thanks!Comment -
Today could be a good day to find out. 5 games on the boardComment -
Not surprising to see this. Lot of money paid for their picks and it does not take much action at all to move WNBA lines.Comment -
The HoopsEdge WNBA service went 50-29 last year, so even with this years 22-21 YTD record the plays are still better than 58% lifetime. In addition RAS in general has hit at consistently high rates for years in both CFB and CBB. That is why the plays get so much respect. Choosing not to follow along is one thing, but fading the plays (even after line movement) has proven to be a losing proposition over the long run.
EdwardOther than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Ed! Why are you here? We're doing the free thing out this way. We give away for free what you charge people for. Yet as amateurs we make professional money, and have professional record.Comment -
I don't think my post is stopping you or anyone else from doing what they are doing. There was a discussion about my service and I felt it was proper to comment. Good luck.Originally posted by cocknockerOther than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
CK, don't get it twisted. This thread has nothing to do with buying or following these picks. I was just stating it for informational purposes. It helps explain these ridiculous line movements sometimes. I have yet to follow any of their picks.Originally posted by cocknockerScared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
Paying for picks?
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I find it kinda funny though that hoopsedge is on the same two totals as you cocknocker. They also like the under in minne and over in SA. Maybe hoopsedge is following you since they have been so ice cold on the totals lately?Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
I can't wait for all the Dr. Bob line movement in college football every season. Game of the Year plays from guys like Cokin and Feist move a lot also. Even Hammerin Hank Goldberg usually causes a little steam on Sunday mornings.Comment -
"While they're out on a sunny day picking out curtains, we're up in here cappin' all night."
CK circa 2008
Edward-RAS
Truth be told, I'm not saying it's either here nor there that you're posting here. To go a step beyond, I'm on your side because personally, I feel that it is wrong for people here or otherwise to publicize what people pay you for Ed. That should be discouraged.
I'm all for that. I think that it's an act that takes food off of your table and clearly a bad judgement by those who announce your plays for free.
But what I am saying is that don't get sucked into this community, Ed. We are abunch of degenerates. But we know what we are doing. At the smae time while there's guys of ours peeking in on what you're doing, you guys are peeking in on wht we're doing too.
John Morrison took one peek at the back testing and results of one of our own and decided to add WNBA plays to the mix because he was missing out on a goldmine. Saw it with my own two eyes. The muthaf*cka sent me an email and offered it to me too.
If you're gonna continue to get down by coming into our thing and not giving us a few hints or indicators on what you may or may not be looking for and why, then it's kind of hard for those publicizing your plays to not feel justified in what they are doing.
I mean aren't both of our camps crossing the tracks?
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My comments were in regards to why the plays get so much respect and the viability of playing against the plays blindly. I'm not sure what all this other stuff is about. If you guys are having success in the WNBA, congrats and I hope it contiunes.
EdwardOther than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Ed, no one here (well, maybe one person) really cares about your plays. To be honest I'd never even heard of you on here until someone mentioned that you were "moving lines" with your picks, usually in our favor.
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Let me get this straight. People here bet on and handicap the WNBA, but no one here cares about plays from the most influential WNBA handicapper in the entire market? Doesn't make a lot of sense.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Nope, we don't. Your service wasn't even mentioned up until the other day, after all these games had already been played this season.Originally posted by Edward-RAS
Shocking, I can imagine.
But think about it, you're hitting barely 50% and these guys are hitting around 70%. Now does it make any sense?Comment -
Speak for yourself. Not for the entire forum.
It is much more likely that most posters/readers here would be interested in engaging in discussion with and soaking up as much information as possible from any handicapper that has consistent long term success, particularly one who is so influential in the same market many here are trying to beat.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Yeah of course, but not if we have to pay for it.
I'll take 65-70% for FREE any day of the week. You know no matter how much information is available no one in the history of gambling can do better.Comment -
Unless you just take Phoenix overs all day. LMAO.Originally posted by RoagBettorScared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
LOL! Yep! But I know as soon as I do personally, they'll start going under!
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I don't recall coming in here asking anyone for money.
What is the sample size of the 65-70% win rate? A win rate taken from an insufficient sample size does not mean a whole lot.
With so many new cappers emerging every year, a handful are always going to have great first year results and the ones who don't will just disappear. I know many people who make a living following handicappers and services who typically do not even count a handicappers first season in their overall record because of this.
The value of a handicapper with a 55%+ long term record is far greater than the value of a handicapper with a 65-70% short term record.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
No argument there, but I think if you do more research on Cocknocker you'll understand why he has such a big following. He's not a 1-season wonder.Comment -
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Wow. I happen to personally tail CM and SK, but have some respect for Ed. He's been capping since the dinosaurs roamed the earth, and has proven to be a long-term winner. I may not agree with all of his plays, but he knows what he's doing.
Project plays are now at 60%, and have been going pretty much sideways for the last week or so. What you want to look at is the standard deviation away from the mean for both -- it can actually be higher for a 55%+ long term capper than a 60% short-term.Comment -
ling, that's all well and good, and nothing personal against Ed I wish him and his followers the best. But I'll never pay for a pick, ever.Comment -
Everyone needs to realize most if not of the FOLLOWERS of Mr. CK cant cap a game themselves. All they do is follow and go to his bail if his back is against the wall. hes like a General with all of his bottom line fighters. Grow up is my recommendation. All i see is if someome speaks up against what the ck thread agrees to then you have 20 peeps bashing you in his defense. I dont make enemies here and i try to get along with everyone but to make these kind of comments to Ed and others shows your maturity and its simply idiotic. Its almost like you have a cult leader and his followers that take the fall. Come on people, these are the type of disrespectfulll people that keep this country where its at and it never improves and these are the type of people that run others out of this forum. Unreal..anyways, GLComment -
It's called The Mafia, not a cult. Either way, once you're in, you're in forever. Get it?
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lol..i used to babysit peeps like that for a living. Always a vacancy in that buisness...gl
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Nor I, that was mainly directed at jc before he edited his post.Originally posted by RoagBettorComment -
I 2nd the part about the immaturity, Roag is simply acting his age it seems , young twenty year student maybe. Your comments are way off and infantileOriginally posted by MILEHIGHMONSTERSComment -
Another illadvised philosophy that I hear preached often on forums. Whether it be information, a partner, a line service, a reduced juice out, or "picks" that win at a consistently high rate over the long term, if an investment is going to improve your bottom line, it should be deemed a good investment, and it doesn't matter if you are already a winning bettor. Everybody can use some extra units at the end of the year.Originally posted by RoagBettorOther than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
agree, dont need to anymore but before the internet I had to. It provided me the esstional information I needed to perserve my bankroll in those painfull early years. Especially, at the track. To further expand on this, to not know or "care" where certain people are laying there money is ill advisedComment -
Right but I'm not just good at WNBA. Sports...It's just a small segment of what I do. I can show a person how to make money with no sports involved. Big money. And I have done it right here on these threads offered free of charge. How sick is that? I wish you great wealth Edward-RAS. Do your thing, and we'll keep doing ours. But when we're handicapping college football or college basketball or MLB, NFL, NBA or whatever, we're burning the midnight oil too. I can respect a person who has a $25.00 bankroll you know? What if he can't afford your service yet? You gonna let him ride for free? Certainly not. But if he's here looking for information and you're here looking for information, everyone's gonna find what they want. Including plays of both yours and mine. If you ask me that's getting bang for your 25 bucks. It's like free media banding together against touts, sportsbooks and anything that costs money to get money. There's scientists over in the Think Tank. You can't comment against the media everytime the media has a problem with what you're doing. If anyone looks out of place here tonight it certainly ain't none of us. Look man. Let the common man do what he's gonna do. If you don't like it press charges against SBR.
If you dwell here and see your work publicized don't trip. Ours is publicized too, and apparently you are basically doing the same thing that those that you feel misrepresented you are doing. You and I both know that we have a big following. That means influence. You felt it was necessary to speak up on your own behalf so that there wouldn't be a bad influence cast upon your product to potential clients who may/may not come to this thread. I understand that. That's the point. Now stop with all of this nonsense. I already told you that I am with you and I am on your side. Stop trippin'Comment -
Originally posted by cocknocker
Right on CK!!!
About time someone is on the side of us low rollers. 
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