Lets Talk NBA Finals (Matchups & Analysis)

Git Lo · 05-31-16, 05:15 PM

Kyrie will guard Curry like last year, remember when he had that block from behind on curry game one to send it to OT? Gonna be a lot of screens/switching/mismatches/3 point shooting by both teams. LBJ still the best player on the floor.

JayDr3am · 05-31-16, 05:30 PM

cavs have a better paint presence. whoever wins the rebound battle will win the championship. theres going to be alot of switching cause golden state are the master of high screens.. if shump & kyrie fight OVER the screen vs going under the screen, we'll have a ball game for sure.

louielouie · 05-31-16, 06:11 PM

Cavs have

1) best player in the game
2) revenge
3) so much more rest
4) numerology
5) better depth
6) can match offensively
7) bigger chip on shoulder

With no lue, frye, love or Irving took the exact same team to 6 games

I would not be surprised if cavs won in 5 games but think you can take the cavs win in 6games propane go to sleep

sando · 05-31-16, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Git Lo

Kyrie will guard Curry like last year, remember when he had that block from behind on curry game one to send it to OT? Gonna be a lot of screens/switching/mismatches/3 point shooting by both teams. LBJ still the best player on the floor.

Actually Curry is commonly accepted as the best basketball player in the world these days, so that would make him the best player on the floor. Nobody stays at the top forever, however Lebron is still a beast no doubt, but there is a very good reason Curry was unanimously voted the MVP this season.

sando · 05-31-16, 08:17 PM

Cav's are a better rebounding team, but GS was able to deal with OKC, who were a way better rebounding team.
Warriors have better on ball & perimeter defenders, and unlikely the Cav's will be able to jack up 50 3's per game like they have been so far. Iguodala & Green, are elite defenders, Thompson & Bogut are above average and Curry averages over 2 steals per game which should certainly help against Irving's outstanding handles. This looks like an offensive show down to me, and both teams are elite offensively, however only 1 team has the splash bros, and when they get hot (inevitable at some point) it's usually all over for the opposition...

DrUppercut · 06-01-16, 12:19 AM

Last year LeBron played d on Iggy a lot. I expect the same this year as it won't tire LeBron out too much although at the end of the game i could see LeBron switch to guarding Klay. Cavs will have trouble on the defensive end I think as Love and Irving both will have problems when warriors run a pick and roll. Steph and draymond are gonna attack Love and really put pressure on his defensive shortcomings. It will put a lot of pressure on LeBron and T Thompson to pick up the slack on rotations.

Aye J Mac · 06-01-16, 01:29 AM

Bro Lebron almost beat gsw alone last year! Imagine adding Kyrie and love .. Trust me CAVS won't play the same as when they played gsw earlier this year ! This is the playoffs and a lot have change..

Ratzz · 06-01-16, 01:59 AM

Analysis:

Cavaliers superior team. deeper. more athletic. physically stronger. greater distribution of talent.
little warriors inferior. smaller. weaker. more brittle. most ability restricted to two contributors.
LeBron second coach. instructs. teaches. hones team performance. work together.

little curry. expert in early celebration. PhD. perfected it. what me shoot. celebrate early. team witnessed. learned.
now all little warriors expert early celebrators

not good. bad skill to develop. not a skill. habit. a bad habit. early celebration. kiss-of-death

JArrieta49 · 06-01-16, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by louielouie

Cavs have

1) best player in the game
2) revenge
3) so much more rest
4) numerology
5) better depth
6) can match offensively
7) bigger chip on shoulder

With no lue, frye, love or Irving took the exact same team to 6 games

I would not be surprised if cavs won in 5 games but think you can take the cavs win in 6games propane go to sleep

But they have a coward as their leader.

Yazworm91 · 06-01-16, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by sando

Actually Curry is commonly accepted as the best basketball player in the world these days, so that would make him the best player on the floor. Nobody stays at the top forever, however Lebron is still a beast no doubt, but there is a very good reason Curry was unanimously voted the MVP this season.

Accepted by who? The media? When Curry averages 35.8 pts, 8.8 apg and 13.3 rpg in the finals then we can start talking about being on the same planet as Lebron. Curry is a great shooter but you take Klay or Green off that team they don't beat Portland. You take everyone off the cavs, Lebron still make the finals and go to a game 6. Curry couldn't go to Philadelphia and turn their franchise around but Lebron could that's about as simple as it gets.

I was on okc +435 series and ate it when the better team couldn't close it out. I've now doubled up on Cleveland. If Gsw shoots 50% again from 3 line I'll just lose my money. Lebron wanted this match up. I'm not sure who all paid attention close enough in game 1 last year when Kyrie played one of his best defensive games ever before he got hurt. You could tell he had already decided he was going to show Curry he was better and he did up until he got hurt.

sando · 06-01-16, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by Yazworm91

Accepted by who? The media? When Curry averages 35.8 pts, 8.8 apg and 13.3 rpg in the finals then we can start talking about being on the same planet as Lebron. Curry is a great shooter but you take Klay or Green off that team they don't beat Portland. You take everyone off the cavs, Lebron still make the finals and go to a game 6. Curry couldn't go to Philadelphia and turn their franchise around but Lebron could that's about as simple as it gets.

I was on okc +435 series and ate it when the better team couldn't close it out. I've now doubled up on Cleveland. If Gsw shoots 50% again from 3 line I'll just lose my money. Lebron wanted this match up. I'm not sure who all paid attention close enough in game 1 last year when Kyrie played one of his best defensive games ever before he got hurt. You could tell he had already decided he was going to show Curry he was better and he did up until he got hurt.

Everything you have said is simply your opinion, not fact. I barely agree with any of it, for example - you are implying Curry can't create his own shot, which makes me question how much you even know about basketball? Anyway I hope you haven't put too much money on the Cav's because IMO the Warriors are the better team clearly & they have home court (bonus).

Git Lo · 06-01-16, 03:53 AM

I can't tell if Kyrie is the same as that game 1 because they rolled to the finals this year but Curry went straight at Kyrie last year because he came in limping and caught an injury. He looks okay now but whats funny is Cavs probably think they have this in the bag and they will end up getting their throats slit by 12 year old Curry feel me?

DUBnation · 06-01-16, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by Ratzz

Analysis:

Cavaliers superior team. deeper. more athletic. physically stronger. greater distribution of talent.
little warriors inferior. smaller. weaker. more brittle. most ability restricted to two contributors.
LeBron second coach. instructs. teaches. hones team performance. work together.

little curry. expert in early celebration. PhD. perfected it. what me shoot. celebrate early. team witnessed. learned.
now all little warriors expert early celebrators

not good. bad skill to develop. not a skill. habit. a bad habit. early celebration. kiss-of-death

Nice to finally see some objective analysis on here...

Ratzz you need to remove your blinders. The Cavs are a great team and certainly have a chance in this series, but your constant need to discredit everything Curry and the Warriors have accomplished is clearly impacting your perception of reality.

DUBnation · 06-01-16, 04:20 AM

One of the main things I think has been overlooked heading into this series is that Love/Irving are in uncharted territory. Kyrie got 1 game in the Finals last year, but Love is really experiencing the Playoffs for the first time this season. They're both untested in these deep waters and we've seen much better players than them fold under the pressure of the Finals (cough Lebron in Miami cough). I suspect Kyrie will be fine, but Love has been a well known folder for most of his NBA career. Has his game progressed that much?

Steph had his "deer in headlights" moment last Finals. He ended up playing through it and finishing with some decent numbers, but you would have to expect he's going to be more mentally prepared this time around.

Also, the Cavs have been playing great. Their chemistry is obvious and it's showing on and off the court, which has been one of their main problems since Lebron's return. But it's easy to get along and forget the past when you're sweeping mid-level teams and breaking records. Will that chemistry disappear if things aren't going so well against the Warriors? Not gonna lie, I wasn't very confident the Warriors would come back against OKC, but watching their body language throughout the last few games you could see their confidence. They stayed calm and somehow were able to pull it off. That's the confidence that comes from being in those types of positions before, which is something the Cavs don't really have outside of Lebron.

DUBnation · 06-01-16, 04:22 AM

That's not to say that the Cavs are mentally weak and can't come back from a deficit, I'm just pointing out we more or less have to guess how they'd react in certain scenarios, whereas with the Warriors we've seen them in just about every scenario you could think of so we know what to expect

Git Lo · 06-01-16, 04:46 AM

GS confidence is sky high and they back it up which is why I've been riding with them since last year, they are just "good for it". I was worried about the Thunder before the series started as well and you probably saw the best defense from any team thus far and played against GS and they still lost and cavs wont top that either. What's funny is Love is good but wouldn't be an all star with these news guys, hes almost like a glorified role player which is obviously why they got Frye haha.

Time is Money · 06-01-16, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Git Lo

GS confidence is sky high and they back it up which is why I've been riding with them since last year, they are just "good for it". I was worried about the Thunder before the series started as well and you probably saw the best defense from any team thus far and played against GS and they still lost and cavs wont top that either. What's funny is Love is good but wouldn't be an all star with these news guys, hes almost like a glorified role player which is obviously why they got Frye haha.

Thunder defense wasn't really good though, that's the thing. In the SERIES they played great defense, but the Mavs averaged 100+ on them in their series and that team is abysmal. Throughout the year they were average at best, they're probably better than the Cavs sure but to act like Thunder were an elite defense is a joke.

Time is Money · 06-01-16, 08:44 AM

Lol dudes claiming Curry to be a better all around player than Bron

Gotta love it

sando · 06-01-16, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by Time is Money

Lol dudes claiming Curry to be a better all around player than Bron

Gotta love it

Oh it's "Bron" is it? Yeah you're definitely not the standard Heat/Cav's fan boy who thinks Lebron can do no wrong.

I'm not a Warriors fan, but it is plainly obvious that Curry is the most valuable player in the league. Also the most dangerous, as in how easily he can turn a game on it's head. He is also the most exciting player to watch. Lebron was once these things, but time catches up to everyone eventually...

Time is Money · 06-01-16, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by sando

Oh it's "Bron" is it? Yeah you're definitely not the standard Heat/Cav's fan who thinks Lebron can do no wrong.

I'm not a Warriors fan, but it is plainly obvious that Curry is the most valuable player in the league. Also the most dangerous, as in how easily he can turn a game on it's head. He is also the most exciting player to watch. Lebron was once these things, but time catches up to everyone eventually...

Warriors were blowing out the Rockets and Blazers without Steph

Cavs wouldn't even get past the Pistons without Lebron

Let's not forget the Cavs were one of the 3 worst teams in the league before Lebron came

Please tell me how Curry is more valuable to his team, are you trying to say that Curry is a good defender? Offensively, Curry is a bit better but Bron is still the better passer, better at getting to the rim and defensively it's not even close.

sando · 06-01-16, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Time is Money

Warriors were blowing out the Rockets and Blazers without Steph

Cavs wouldn't even get past the Pistons without Lebron

Let's not forget the Cavs were one of the 3 worst teams in the league before Lebron came

Please tell me how Curry is more valuable to his team, are you trying to say that Curry is a good defender? Offensively, Curry is a bit better but Bron is still the better passer, better at getting to the rim and defensively it's not even close.

A bit better than Lebron? Are you crazy? Curry is the best offensive player we have seen in a very long time, possibly ever? (Certainly up for debate)

You do realise he was just voted unanimous MVP right? That means he is the most valuable player. Not Lebron. It also means Lebron did not get a single vote. Nobody thought Lebron was the MVP. But of course I can already anticipate your reply "It's a media award, doesn't mean anything" correct?

I am not trying to pick a fight with you, but it's completely ludicrous that you would even say "Lebron is the better passer". The only reason Steph doesn't average Wall/Rondo/Westbrook level assists is because he is so gifted offensively & averages 30 ppg. The kid has the best handles in the game, elite vision & pinpoint passing. Go look at Curry highlights on YouTube and you will see for yourself. Assists highlights not scoring obviously. Lebron is easily the best point-forward in the game but he is not even close to the elite passing point guards (Wall, CP3, Curry, Westbrook, etc)

You either don't understand the game or you are an irrational Cav's homer if you truly think he is a better passer than Curry.

JayDr3am · 06-01-16, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by sando

A bit better than Lebron? Are you crazy? Curry is the best offensive player we have seen in a very long time, possibly ever? (Certainly up for debate)

You do realise he was just voted unanimous MVP right? That means he is the most valuable player. Not Lebron. It also means Lebron did not get a single vote. Nobody thought Lebron was the MVP. But of course I can already anticipate your reply "It's a media award, doesn't mean anything" correct?

I am not trying to pick a fight with you, but it's completely ludicrous that you would even say "Lebron is the better passer". The only reason Steph doesn't average Wall/Rondo/Westbrook level assists is because he is so gifted offensively & averages 30 ppg. The kid has the best handles in the game, elite vision & pinpoint passing. Go look at Curry highlights on YouTube and you will see for yourself. Assists highlights not scoring obviously. Lebron is easily the best point-forward in the game but he is not even close to the elite passing point guards (Wall, CP3, Curry, Westbrook, etc)

You either don't understand the game or you are an irrational Cav's homer if you truly think he is a better passer than Curry.

yall are both retarded to be honest lol lebron is a savvy passer cause he chooses to be. lebron when he gets the ball, he doesnt have to pass it but you can tell he looks up to and studies players like magic johnson and kareem. lebron cares about being a well-rounded player so when its all said and done the critics have no choice but to say "lebron could do it all" lebron is the best basketball player in the world dont ever get that misconstrued.

Yazworm91 · 06-01-16, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by sando

Everything you have said is simply your opinion, not fact. I barely agree with any of it, for example - you are implying Curry can't create his own shot, which makes me question how much you even know about basketball? Anyway I hope you haven't put too much money on the Cav's because IMO the Warriors are the better team clearly & they have home court (bonus).

I did state Curry is a great shooter. He has also been in the league now for 7 years? And he has just now started becoming more elite over the last two seasons....which that would be a reflection on Kerr which only goes to prove that he's just a system quarterback. And what Lebron did in the finals is FACT lol. When Andre Iguodala gets MVP in the finals that shows just how elite Curry is. Matter of fact, Curry couldn't even be called the MVP of the last two Western Conference Finals or Finals but he's the best player in the game?

Git Lo · 06-01-16, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Time is Money

Thunder defense wasn't really good though, that's the thing. In the SERIES they played great defense, but the Mavs averaged 100+ on them in their series and that team is abysmal. Throughout the year they were average at best, they're probably better than the Cavs sure but to act like Thunder were an elite defense is a joke.

I'm just talking about the playoffs, no one in the league played as good as defense as Thunder throughout the playoffs, FACTS! I'm not implying anything else just that Cavs won't play better defense than the Thunder just did against GS, maybe better offense MAYBE

Git Lo · 06-01-16, 10:44 AM

I'm starting to think Kerr is right when he said people underestimate steph because he looks 12. Curry is rare in sense his offense makes it for his lack of defense, you really can't say that about ANYBODY in the league. I would easily give up a "2 way" player for curry offense the kid will slit your throat and laugh in your face love it!

KRIT · 06-01-16, 12:22 PM

Are we seriously debating who is better between Curry and LeBron? You guys do realize that is a "subjective" topic. That's a never ending discussion, so no point in trying to argue it.

And I agree with whoever said LeBron will probably guard Barnes/Iguodala. I think LeBron conserves energy my guarding them, and then we see him switch to Klay (maybe even Curry?) late in games. When they go small he'll check Draymond which isn't that much of a task.

KuLaPhU · 06-01-16, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by KRIT

Are we seriously debating who is better between Curry and LeBron?You guys do realize that is a "subjective" topic. That's a never ending discussion, so no point in trying to argue it.

And I agree with whoever said LeBron will probably guard Barnes/Iguodala. I think LeBron conserves energy my guarding them, and then we see him switch to Klay (maybe even Curry?) late in games. When they go small he'll check Draymond which isn't that much of a task.

you wanna talk match ups right? well, people speaking out their opinions. analysis and match ups? there you have it.. now you don't wanna talk about Lebron and steph. next time think before you post something

KuLaPhU · 06-01-16, 12:55 PM

That's the nba finals steph vs. Lebron what do you expect?

DUBnation · 06-01-16, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Yazworm91

When Andre Iguodala gets MVP in the finals that shows just how elite Curry is. Matter of fact, Curry couldn't even be called the MVP of the last two Western Conference Finals or Finals but he's the best player in the game?

That's what happens when your team plays balanced basketball. Does Kawhi Leonard winning Finals MVP in '14 mean that Duncan and Parker weren't elite?

KRIT · 06-01-16, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by KuLaPhU

you wanna talk match ups right? well, people speaking out their opinions. analysis and match ups? there you have it.. now you don't wanna talk about Lebron and steph. next time think before you post something

That isn't really matchup or analysis. That's nothing more than a subjective debate. That's just another lame debate of who is better which we've been over 100x on this forum in the past year. They are both great. Put 100 people in a room and good chance 50 of them think one way and 50 think another way.

But its a forum so feel free to speak as you want. I'm just saying, it's a never ending debate. Do you really think you are going to convince someone to come over to your side. Same thing as politics. I'm not going to even try to convince a Trump supporter to come over to Hilary. Because it ain't happening.

JArrieta49 · 06-01-16, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by DUBnation

That's what happens when your team plays balanced basketball. Does Kawhi Leonard winning Finals MVP in '14 mean that Duncan and Parker weren't elite?

Tim Duncan wasn't an elite basketball player at 38 years old, no.

Tony Parker was borderline elite back at 32, he's obviously not anymore.

If you think 38 year old Tim Duncan was elite in 2014, then how many other players were elite in 2014? Elite doesn't mean good.

sando · 06-01-16, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by JayDr3am

yall are both retarded to be honest lol lebron is a savvy passer cause he chooses to be. lebron when he gets the ball, he doesnt have to pass it but you can tell he looks up to and studies players like magic johnson and kareem. lebron cares about being a well-rounded player so when its all said and done the critics have no choice but to say "lebron could do it all" lebron is the best basketball player in the world dont ever get that misconstrued.

I have seen you support Louie constantly. That guy is the scourge of this entire forum. Therefore your opinion is worthless. Leave this discussion to the grown up's.

DUBnation · 06-01-16, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by JArrieta49

Tim Duncan wasn't an elite basketball player at 38 years old, no.

Tony Parker was borderline elite back at 32, he's obviously not anymore.

If you think 38 year old Tim Duncan was elite in 2014, then how many other players were elite in 2014? Elite doesn't mean good.

Borderline? Borderline elite players aren't usually on All-NBA 2nd and 3rd teams. You know, like Tony Parker was in 2014 (2nd team) and Tim Duncan was in 2015 (3rd team).

Time is Money · 06-01-16, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by sando

A bit better than Lebron? Are you crazy? Curry is the best offensive player we have seen in a very long time, possibly ever? (Certainly up for debate)

You do realise he was just voted unanimous MVP right? That means he is the most valuable player. Not Lebron. It also means Lebron did not get a single vote. Nobody thought Lebron was the MVP. But of course I can already anticipate your reply "It's a media award, doesn't mean anything" correct?

I am not trying to pick a fight with you, but it's completely ludicrous that you would even say "Lebron is the better passer". The only reason Steph doesn't average Wall/Rondo/Westbrook level assists is because he is so gifted offensively & averages 30 ppg. The kid has the best handles in the game, elite vision & pinpoint passing. Go look at Curry highlights on YouTube and you will see for yourself. Assists highlights not scoring obviously. Lebron is easily the best point-forward in the game but he is not even close to the elite passing point guards (Wall, CP3, Curry, Westbrook, etc)

You either don't understand the game or you are an irrational Cav's homer if you truly think he is a better passer than Curry.

Let's hold the reigns on greatest offensive player of all time, let's not forget about the numbers that Jordan was putting up in an era where you could handcheck and the league was littered with elite bigs (and superior overall talent)

Let's be honest, Curry has only been an elite level player for two years

Lebron has been in the league a while, learned from losing to the spurs two out of the three times he faced them that playoffs is all that matters, and to a larger extent, the finals. spurs never gave a fukk about regular season accolades, you keep your eyes on the prize. lebron is coming into this series with fresh legs and we will see him play at a higher level than anyone else on the floor this series. I'll come back to this thread to eat crow if I'm wrong.

Lebron will win finals mvp and that's really the only mvp that matters at the end of the day.