Kobe @ Madison Square Garden

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 01:32 PM

Also - we will see how Kobe's talk with Magic went. Magic telling Kobe to not be down on his teammates but to motivate them. If there's one guy Kobe will listen to outside of Phil, it's Magic. Afterall he is the only one who got a call from the mamba.

Butterface · 12-13-12, 01:38 PM

C'mon man they only covered vs. OKC because OKC were up by how much at half time??? They completely took their foot off the pedal, if they would've played the whole game with at least half the effort they played in the first half, it would've been a blow out. I see the knicks dominating the whole game but good luck man!

Butterface · 12-13-12, 02:01 PM

My fault I think they were up big at the end of the third quarter, but regardless...

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Butterface

My fault I think they were up big at the end of the third quarter, but regardless...

How often do you watch the Lakers? Not trying to be a dik but seriously curious. These are the types of games the Lakers show up for. Yes OKC took their foot off the pedal but the result was still the same. Lakers covering. Line is now down to 6 from 7

Ambition · 12-13-12, 02:09 PM

Like the play with the Lakers tonight. They have been terrible, everyone knows that, and the Knicks have been electric, everyone knows that. Even with the struggles for the Lakers it's tough going against them with 6 or more points. They can keep it close and could win the game. I like the Lakers in this one. Dwight has to have a huge game, Kobe will do what he does but, it's the people around him who need to do more.

Also, Lakers are 1-10 or 1-11 when Kobe scores 30+ points this season.

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Ambition

Like the play with the Lakers tonight. They have been terrible, everyone knows that, and the Knicks have been electric, everyone knows that. Even with the struggles for the Lakers it's tough going against them with 6 or more points. They can keep it close and could win the game. I like the Lakers in this one. Dwight has to have a huge game, Kobe will do what he does but, it's the people around him who need to do more.

Also, Lakers are 1-10 or 1-11 when Kobe scores 30+ points this season.

The Kobe 30+ stat has been flying around a lot lately per usual as it does every year. The fact that Kobe is scoring over 30 points isn't the reason the Lakers are losing. The fact that the team looks completely lost, frustrating kobe, pushes him to take matter into his own hands more so than he normally would. Thee ole cause and effect routine.

Make your plays, run the offense, hustle on transition D, and kobe won't have to drop 40 pts to give the team a shot at winning

Butterface · 12-13-12, 02:20 PM

I watch them whenever I have the opportunity to, so pretty often. I just don't like the coaching at all, and the Knicks are hot right now. I don't have a bet on this game so i hope you cash whatever you bet you ending up doing. Just don't trust the Lakers, but if you feel they can keep it close then best of luck! Hope I am wrong.

Ambition · 12-13-12, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by riffraff24

The Kobe 30+ stat has been flying around a lot lately per usual as it does every year. The fact that Kobe is scoring over 30 points isn't the reason the Lakers are losing. The fact that the team looks completely lost, frustrating kobe, pushes him to take matter into his own hands more so than he normally would. Thee ole cause and effect routine.

Make your plays, run the offense, hustle on transition D, and kobe won't have to drop 40 pts to give the team a shot at winning

I'm not saying they're losing because of Kobe, Kobe is the only reason they have a chance in any games this year.

okxchange · 12-13-12, 02:34 PM

Have you guys watched Lakers at all lately? they have no flow at all right now... Its pretty much let Kobe take shots and everyone stands around... Kobe has no trust in any of these guys at all right now... Dwight is definitely not the dwight we used to see from Orlando. He has pretty much taken a back seat to Kobe and just getting his rebounds... once in awhile they'll give him the ball is he is under the basket, at which case he doesnt even go up strong. He goes up without authority thinking he will be fouled before he shoots...
Knicks blow them out because of Team chemistry...

okxchange · 12-13-12, 02:35 PM

Lakers makes it close at the end because Kobe starts making 3s but still lose by 10 or so...

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by okxchange

Have you guys watched Lakers at all lately? they have no flow at all right now... Its pretty much let Kobe take shots and everyone stands around... Kobe has no trust in any of these guys at all right now... Dwight is definitely not the dwight we used to see from Orlando. He has pretty much taken a back seat to Kobe and just getting his rebounds... once in awhile they'll give him the ball is he is under the basket, at which case he doesnt even go up strong. He goes up without authority thinking he will be fouled before he shoots...
Knicks blow them out because of Team chemistry...

Yes I do watch the Lakers. And have had season tickets since the 80s.

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by okxchange

Lakers makes it close at the end because Kobe starts making 3s but still lose by 10 or so...

Make it close but lose by 10?

Yinz Hooligan · 12-13-12, 03:29 PM

what do you guys think on the total?

Goat Milk · 12-13-12, 03:38 PM

I think Bryant will get some dimes tonight too and get his guys more involved.

trayman · 12-13-12, 03:43 PM

Both Kobe and Melo looking good.

PAULYPOKER · 12-13-12, 03:44 PM

The only solid wagers involving the Lakers are Kobe props,

anything else is money lost unless you are fading them of course.........

DAHOTCORNER29 · 12-13-12, 03:45 PM

Anyone else on the KOBE/MELO TOTAL PTS (Kobe -1) prop?

Think Kobe goes off tonight in the Garden like he always does. Also he's pissed that his team sucks this year you can clearly see the frustration. Wouldn't be surprised he he takes 25 shots tonight.

This is all coming from a Knicks fan and die-hard Melo fan (since the Syracuse days) Artest is going to give him problems! Sorry, still refuse to call that guy by his "real" name.

Kobe wins tonight

SAY QUEENSBRIDGE

pip2 · 12-13-12, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

I think Bryant will get some dimes tonight too and get his guys more involved.

There will be a period at the beginning of the game when Kobe allows the ball to circulate, and Duhon, Jamison, Metta, Dwight, are all going to get their chance to sink some shots. If they sink a reasonable percentage of the shots, we will probably have a wild game on our hands. If they don't, the Knicks will build a big lead through 2 or 3 quarters and then the Lakers will spend the rest of the game playing like maniacs just to make the score as respectable as possible.

It's that last furious run by the Lakers that, even though it is futile as far as winning the game, has a good chance of covering the spread.

Snowball · 12-13-12, 03:57 PM

everything is on hold until Nash is back
Knicks could win this by 10+

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 03:58 PM

Kobe Over is at 31.5 and juiced to (-145)

Gonna wait a little bit and see if I can get it at less juice...

edit: Took it at -145 for a half unit. If I can get better juice before gametime I will add to it.

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 04:08 PM

Locked in World Peace over 12.5 points. Queensbridge! I see him getting about 14-15 pts tonight.

So far:

Metta world Peace Over 12.5 pts (-115) - 2 units

Kobe Bryant Over 31.5 (-145) - .5 unit

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 04:12 PM

Who knows what happens when you talk shit to Kobe?

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 04:37 PM

Got Kobe at (-135). Card so far.

Metta world Peace Over 12.5 pts (-115) - 2 units

Kobe Bryant Over 31.5 (-145) - .5 unit

Kobe Bryant Over 31.5 (-135) - 2 units

PAULYPOKER · 12-13-12, 04:41 PM

5441 K.Bryant points* -1 -115 vs C.Anthony points

pip2 · 12-13-12, 04:42 PM

So riffraff, once you bet on Kobe to score more than 31.5, isn't that pretty close to betting the Knicks will win straight up?

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by pip2

So riffraff, once you bet on Kobe to score more than 31.5, isn't that pretty close to betting the Knicks will win straight up?

No. Just because you hear Sportscenter drop the "Kobe scores 30+ and Lakers lose" stat this week doesn't mean that's what it means on the surface. Read posts #7 and #9.

This isn't a new revelation. It's been this way for years but now that ESPN has talked about it everyone thinks they have it figured out.

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by PAULYPOKER

5441 K.Bryant points* -1 -115 vs C.Anthony points

Like it. GL

mvanja · 12-13-12, 04:59 PM

,BRYANT VS ANTHONY:MOST POINTS
[1] KOBE BRYANT -1 -115
Yop, same bet for me

pip2 · 12-13-12, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by riffraff24

No. Just because you hear Sportscenter drop the "Kobe scores 30+ and Lakers lose" stat this week doesn't mean that's what it means on the surface. Read posts #7 and #9.

This isn't a new revelation. It's been this way for years but now that ESPN has talked about it everyone thinks they have it figured out.

After re-reading post 7 I tend to agree with it, that the 30-point thing isnt necessarily a matter of Kobe causing a loss by hogging the ball. But it is still a sign that things are amiss, so to speak, and Kobe has decided that the only option left is to start shooting a lot.

So even if Kobe is fully justified in shooting a lot during these 11 games this season, it also means something isn't right and the Lakers have about a 10 percent chance of winning at that point.

MARCUS · 12-13-12, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Yinz Hooligan

what do you guys think on the total?

..un and ny..maybe a blowout..the garden on thrs...a barn burner 4 sure..bol

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by pip2

After re-reading post 7 I tend to agree with it, that the 30-point thing isnt necessarily a matter of Kobe causing a loss by hogging the ball. But it is still a sign that things are amiss, so to speak, and Kobe has decided that the only option left is to start shooting a lot.

So even if Kobe is fully justified in shooting a lot during these 11 games this season, it also means something isn't right and the Lakers have about a 10 percent chance of winning at that point.

Right. I'm banking on the fact that

1. This is at MSG, and supposed to be the most challenging game of the road trip. Kobe loves these situations.
2. Hoping that something has come out of his talk with Magic and the way kobe treats his teammates. I know things wont change overnight, but I feel like they will play inspired ball tonight. Also considering road trips a good opportunity to develop some chemistry among the guys.
3. After starting the road trip off with a loss, when the goal was to come home 3-1. Knicks were supposed to be the 1 loss. If there was ever a time for these guys to ride up and ball, this is it.

matt1216 · 12-13-12, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by riffraff24

How often do you watch the Lakers? Not trying to be a dik but seriously curious. These are the types of games the Lakers show up for. Yes OKC took their foot off the pedal but the result was still the same. Lakers covering. Line is now down to 6 from 7

on it

riffraff24 · 12-13-12, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by matt1216

on it

GL bro!

Still waiting. I can see the Knicks getting an early 10 pt lead and that would give the opportunity of getting Lakers +double digits live... But of course waiting can go sour and bite us in the ass. Will likely buy to 7 for a half unit and wait for a live line. I'll keep you posted.

pip2 · 12-13-12, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by riffraff24

Right. I'm banking on the fact that

1. This is at MSG, and supposed to be the most challenging game of the road trip. Kobe loves these situations.
2. Hoping that something has come out of his talk with Magic and the way kobe treats his teammates. I know things wont change overnight, but I feel like they will play inspired ball tonight. Also considering road trips a good opportunity to develop some chemistry among the guys.
3. After starting the road trip off with a loss, when the goal was to come home 3-1. Knicks were supposed to be the 1 loss. If there was ever a time for these guys to ride up and ball, this is it.

OK, BOL riffraff. I was kind of thinking that you weren't too keen on betting directly against the Lakers, so you were kind of getting around that by betting on Kobe's point total!