NBA Season Thread With Matchup Analysis

**blanco** · 12-12-12, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by MrVJP

I agree somewhat. I watch every possession of every one of their games. Kobe was trusting them and they were bricking. More often than not, he HAS to do this. If Jamison comes out and starts hitting his shots, oddly enough, Meeks hits his shots too. When they aren't, Kobe taking 50 shots IS the best option. If this team cleans up TOs and decides to defend for 48 minutes (tonight was the most they've defended in the D'Antoni era.. it was just too bad that it was for 22 seconds of the shotclock most of the time). In all honesty, they can even win half of these games that they've lost with this defense if they cut the TOs-- especially this type of TO. Hardly ever those out of bounds TOs, always has to be a dimwit pass or lose the handle on the ball for a free 2 on 1.
A decent PG fixes this. Nash is better than decent. Morris is the worst PG in the NBA. Christmas present Delonte West pls mitch

Edit: spelling.

well I definitely trust your lakers knowledge over mine. How much better do you think they will be with nash? Do you think they'll try to trade pau for some shooters?

And ya that 1-9 when he scores 30+ stat is definitely misleading because those are usually the games everyone else blows so he has to

**MrVJP** · 12-12-12, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by blanco

yeah he did but how much can he change without any shooters to zing it to or a big man to dump to that can make his free throws. he was always surrounded with enough players that complimented his style well

I see where you can get this misconception but this is how I look at it:
Gasol is more skilled than Stoudemire. Longer range, more post moves. Just less explosion.
Dwight is the best pick and roll big in the league by far. Its not even close.
Kobe's spot up shooting is over 50%, I wish I could find that link for you but contrary to popular belief.. his catch and shoot numbers are brilliant. Lakers are close to leading the league in TOs if they arent already. Nash cuts this IN HALF. Think of who all is playing right now and shift everyone over 2 spots. Instead of Duhon running the 1st unit, hes not even in the rotation (when Blake gets back).
Meeks spot up shooting > whatever the hell he is trying to do right now.. he's trying all these dribble stunts and stuff because there is no depth.
Jamison becomes even less of a focus on the opposing defense so he can do what he does best: cut to the rim for those easy baskets.

**MrVJP** · 12-12-12, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by blanco

well I definitely trust your lakers knowledge over mine. How much better do you think they will be with nash? Do you think they'll try to trade pau for some shooters?

And ya that 1-9 when he scores 30+ stat is definitely misleading because those are usually the games everyone else blows so he has to

They'll be there in West Semis at minimum in my opinion, it just depends on health.. if Dwight can reach 100%-- he is clearly at about 80% right now. Nash fixes MANY things. People forget he's one of the best shooters in history.

I really wish they don't trade Pau.. Calderon+Bargnani will be on the table soon enough if the Raptors keep losing. Colangelo has to win now to save his job. I LOVE what Calderon can bring to the table. Such toughness. But Pau brings something most players in the NBA can't. Nash will know how to use him. Essentially, the worst thing that can happen is Pau plays more with the 2nd unit as a center. Even then, how many 2nd units have a Pau Gasol talent?

**BabyMatrix27** · 12-12-12, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by blanco

agree man. the lakers used to win games on defense. why did they hire a run and gun coach when they have 2 great big man and no perimeter shooters. someone explain the hire to me

Everyone knows you cant play run and gun offense with the current Laker roster... Phil Jackson was the only option and LA screwed him over. Everyone is shocked, frustrated and dissapointed with how the Lakers are this year... I never seen Kobe so pissed off like I did tonight in the post-game conference.

**wilfra** · 12-12-12, 05:32 AM

Lakers, Heat and OKC all have much better odds of winning the title than the Spurs according to every sportsbook, casino and exchange.

WTF is wrong with these people? San Antonio should be like +500 right now and in 2nd place behind the Heat. Instead they are +1200 and I think I am single handedly moving the line as I've been slamming them for the last week everywhere down from +1500.

**wilfra** · 12-12-12, 05:34 AM

18-4 and if they didn't forfeit a game to the heat for the lulz they'd be 19-3 with the best record in the NBA. Ya sounds like they have a worse shot than the 12th place 9-13 Lakers

LOL

**Giogeorge** · 12-12-12, 06:19 AM

Spurs 15-5 last 20 games ATS

**mvanja** · 12-12-12, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by BabyMatrix27

Everyone knows you cant play run and gun offense with the current Laker roster... Phil Jackson was the only option and LA screwed him over. Everyone is shocked, frustrated and dissapointed with how the Lakers are this year... I never seen Kobe so pissed off like I did tonight in the post-game conference.

AMEN on that.

**No coincidences** · 12-12-12, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Everyone discounts Nash like he's some scrub. Didn't Nash lead the NBA in assists per game last year? Last I checked the showtime lakers weren't even that great of a defensive team. They were just solid. No one could keep up with their scoring, that was the problem.

And how, exactly, do these Lakers compare to the Showtime crew?

You can't just keep saying crap like "it took the Heat time to gel too" and "the Showtime Lakers didn't play D either" unless the rosters from your comparisons are even remotely comparable to LAL's current group, which they aren't.

**thetrinity** · 12-12-12, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

And how, exactly, do these Lakers compare to the Showtime crew?

You can't just keep saying crap like "it took the Heat time to gel too" and "the Showtime Lakers didn't play D either" unless the rosters from your comparisons are even remotely comparable to LAL's current group, which they aren't.

same uniforms

**RetardStrength** · 12-12-12, 01:29 PM

Not to muck up this thread, but Nash isn't going to turn this Laker team into a championship team, or even a playoff team at this rate...

Nash will absolutely help the offense, in terms of distribution, and will certainly help this offense gain some sort of consistency. Kobe is trying his best to make up for the failures of everyone else on the court, but notice that the more he scores, and the more attempts he has, the more often they lose...??

The main concern is defense. You have 5 guys on the court who know how to play it, and they know how to play it well... But, they simply aren't doing it. They don't help, they don't get back, they don't seem to have ANY sense of urgency on the defensive end. Maybe they're all salty that Kobe is putting up 30 shots/game...

Steve Nash will return, and the Lakers may avg 7-8 more points per game, BUT, and this is a big but, Steve Nash is old, and is NOT going to help that defense when he is 2 steps slower than the avg "star" or younger PG in this league. Now what happens when these Lakers continue this lack-luster defensive effort, and don't provide help...?? "Lesser" teams will continue to score on, and beat these Lakers.

I don't get it. These guys are the best of the best, and this team should be killing others in this league, and they just refuse to put it together on defense. Then you hear about "frustrations" from individuals on the team, in the media. What a fukkin joke. Play some fukking defense and your record wouldn't be so lop-sided.

**Parlayking414** · 12-12-12, 01:41 PM

Lets not forget free throws.. Lol cant keep missing almost dd free throws every game and hoping to beat teams. Just not gonna happen. Simply put the team made a crucial mistake with the hiring of d'antoni. The run and gun system doesnt put a emphasis on defense so its going to be looking like this the rest of the year.

**curtrambus** · 12-12-12, 02:17 PM

Just don't tell me yer on the Crapters tonight goat the last 2 bets I'v made you'v been on the opposite side and I bet so friggin early in the day I never see your plays till way after the fact. I'm on huge on the Nets with Crapters having Kleza, Bargani, Johnson, and Lowry out at -7.5 tell me yer with me on this one.

**SportsMan5** · 12-12-12, 04:02 PM

Your doing great so far. Keep up good work.

**Byrone09** · 12-12-12, 04:25 PM

Nash might not fix everything but he will have a huge effect on this team. The Lakers turnover the ball way too much leading to less offense and leading to lots of fast break points which affects the perception of the defense. Nash will cut down on TOs. He will also improve offensive production and efficiency with improved passing and getting the ball effectively to players in scoring position.

**JR007** · 12-12-12, 04:42 PM

are these sweetjones 55 plays

**Smoke** · 12-12-12, 04:47 PM

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**DOM-Ganador** · 12-12-12, 05:00 PM

Just keep an eye on Howard on D when he has to move his feet and make a concerted effort. He is mailing it in on p/roll and giving no"quick" second efforts.Seems like he would rather be in the movies than on the court right now.
Fughhettabout the free throws.

**Goat Milk** · 12-12-12, 05:28 PM

PLAY 93: BROOKLYN -7.5 -110 @ RAPTORS RISK $55 TO WIN $50

PLAY 94: BROOKLYN ML/ROCKETS (-5) -140 RISK $140 TO WIN $100

PLAY 95: BROOKLYN ML/PACERS ML/ROCKETS ML -115 RISK $115 TO WIN $100

PLAY 96: ZACH RANDOLPH OVER 17.5 POINTS (-125) RISK $50 TO WIN $40. HERITAGE.

PLAY 97: NOAH OVER 13.5 POINTS (-125) RISK $37.5 FOR 30. HERITAGE.

PLAY 98: THAD YOUNG OVER 15 POINTS (-125) RISK $37.5 FOR 30. HERITAGE.

PLAY 99: WIZARDS TEAM TOTAL UNDER 97.5 -110 RISK $55 FOR 50

I'm gonna take Denver. Waiting for everyone to keep pounding the Twolves.

**groovybrandone** · 12-12-12, 05:44 PM

noah over 13.5 looks like its +125? is that what you meant goat?

**Catchn_Picks** · 12-12-12, 05:54 PM

Yea, I guess I'm one of those guys pounding the line higher for you Goat...

Bet em this morning with a better line...hate giving points versus DEN right now but I do think this could be a letdown spot for them and seeing Love back will change things.

Luv the ML par...those are fun to play.

GL all

**Byrone09** · 12-12-12, 06:01 PM

Man it makes me nervous when you have several plays riding on 1 team, like the Lakers yesterday. Oh well, still tailing, except Timberwolves. I'm helping you get more points on that line as well.

Looks like I can't tail your parlay. 5D won't let me buy down Rockets -10 all the way down to -5.

**Goat Milk** · 12-12-12, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by groovybrandone

noah over 13.5 looks like its +125? is that what you meant goat?

No. If you can get +125 I'd go for it. Don't see how Noah won't score 15 at least tonight as long as he can get 10-12 shot attempts which he should against this small Philly team.

Catchin_Picks, not sure what you mean. Love played in the first meeting.

**t-wizzle** · 12-12-12, 06:33 PM

Why do you like Denver so much tonight Goat? Tough to play two big physical teams two nights in a row.

**Goat Milk** · 12-12-12, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by t-wizzle

Why do you like Denver so much tonight Goat? Tough to play two big physical teams two nights in a row.

Pistons are not a physical team. I like Denver because the Twolves are just not a good team without Rubio or Roy. They are lucky to be .500 right now. Love dropped like 35 in the first meeting between these two and Denver turned the ball over 20+ times or so and Denver still won. I remember watching that second half and all the Twolves did is shoot 3 after 3 and without the 3 ball they absolutely could not score. It's tough to outrebound Denver and Twolves thrive off off. rebounds. Ridnouir is not 100% and Lawson should get by him easily tonight and dish it out to the slashers and wing guys like Brewer and Andre and Gallinari and that's gonna cause some collapses for Minny imo.

All the big name cappers on SBR are on Minny (you, lakerman, sando, and I saw some others too), so I could definitely be wrong here but I'm not sure. Denver owns the Twolves.

**Dexter** · 12-12-12, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by t-wizzle

Why do you like Denver so much tonight Goat? Tough to play two big physical teams two nights in a row.

they are 4-1 ats on btb this year so far....makes sense for a young team.

**davopnz** · 12-12-12, 06:40 PM

why do you like the pacers? i think cleveland have a good chance to beat them straight up

**Goat Milk** · 12-12-12, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by davopnz

why do you like the pacers? i think cleveland have a good chance to beat them straight up

George Hill is a solid defender and it's gonna be a lot tougher for Irving tonight than it was yesterday. He'll probably still drop 20+ but I highly doubt he puts up another stat line like last night in terms of FG% and assists against George Hill. Additionally, Pacers have lost a couple close games and I think they will play with a lot more intensity tonight. They are a big team and the Cavs don't really have that many scoring options as far as shooters go. I think Pacers will win this game by 5-10.

**elPkay** · 12-12-12, 06:59 PM

I'm on Cleveland +8.5 so I'm fine with a loss up to 8

**wguan2** · 12-12-12, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

George Hill is a solid defender and it's gonna be a lot tougher for Irving tonight than it was yesterday. He'll probably still drop 20+ but I highly doubt he puts up another stat line like last night in terms of FG% and assists against George Hill. Additionally, Pacers have lost a couple close games and I think they will play with a lot more intensity tonight. They are a big team and the Cavs don't really have that many scoring options as far as shooters go. I think Pacers will win this game by 5-10.

If anyone watched the game last night, they'd know that the Cavs played absolutely terrible so who's to say that they will play that much better on a b2b against a defensive team 10x's better than the Lakers right now (defensively). The only reason they ended up winning last night was because of the timely 3 pointers and the breakdown of the Lakers shitty defense in the final 2 seconds of the shotclock.

**Goat Milk** · 12-12-12, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

PLAY 93: BROOKLYN -7.5 -110 @ RAPTORS RISK $55 TO WIN $50

PLAY 94: BROOKLYN ML/ROCKETS (-5) -140 RISK $140 TO WIN $100

PLAY 95: BROOKLYN ML/PACERS ML/ROCKETS ML -115 RISK $115 TO WIN $100

PLAY 96: ZACH RANDOLPH OVER 17.5 POINTS (-125) RISK $50 TO WIN $40. HERITAGE.

PLAY 97: NOAH OVER 13.5 POINTS (-125) RISK $37.5 FOR 30. HERITAGE.

PLAY 98: THAD YOUNG OVER 15 POINTS (-125) RISK $37.5 FOR 30. HERITAGE.

PLAY 99: WIZARDS TEAM TOTAL UNDER 97.5 -110 RISK $55 FOR 50

PLAY 100: DENVER NUGGETS +4 -108 (HERITAGE) RISK $108 TO WIN $100

PLAY 101: DENVER NUGGETS -1 +160 (HERITAGE) RISK $50 TO WIN $80

Careful if anyone tails on Denver. Most of SBR'S big timers on Minnesota.

**Byrone09** · 12-12-12, 07:29 PM

I like the word of warning, hahaha! Good luck tonight!

**davopnz** · 12-12-12, 07:49 PM

pacers are filth

**Goat Milk** · 12-12-12, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by davopnz

pacers are filth

why do you always panic so early? relax.

**Goat Milk** · 12-12-12, 08:09 PM

PLAY 102: BROOKLYN 2ND HALF -6 -105 (HERITAGE) RISK $105 TO WIN $100

Brooklyn was on cruise control in that first half. Calderone is a good pg and can set the tempo here for Toronto but they are playing with fire putting Lucas on Joe Johnson at times there's about a 9 inch different there. I expect Brooklyn to blow out Toronto in the 2nd half.