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  • chiefsfan
    SBR Rookie
    • 09-16-11
    • 10

    #1
    Online Horse Betting Advice
    I'm needing some advice from any of you out there who have some experience in this area. I've been a horse player for about 5 years now. Love the sport and everything about it. Only problem is that I live in this great state of Missouri that doesn't allow for online horse betting. Other than the few times a year I make it to Oaklawn Park or Churchill Downs, I never get to bet. I also have a small OTB in an Indian casino about 100 miles away that I make it to occasionally.

    Now, finally to my question. I'm trying to get into the betting aspect a bit more serious and believe I can make some money doing it. I've been following my bets (fake) for months now and have turned a good profit. Now I'm not talking on doing the pipe dream and quitting my day job to become a professional horse bettor, but I would like to do it more on a regular basis to see if I can build a bankroll to maybe one day make that a reality.

    How do I do this legally online? Or somewhat legally with loopholes? Sites such as TVG, Twinspires, YouBet, etc. won't take my bets being a Missouri resident and I don't know about going the offshore route. I'm also worried about the tax aspect of it. I know I wouldn't need to worry about that now but if the time came where I did this on a much regular basis, I know you can't report your winnings from an offshore account. Any advice on how I can navigate through this would be appreciated. Thanks!
  • Art Vandeleigh
    SBR MVP
    • 12-31-06
    • 1494

    #2
    You might want to try Capital OTB (NY OTB based in Albany)

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    • unusialsusp5
      SBR MVP
      • 04-18-10
      • 4198

      #3
      i would move out of that tornado strewn and flood rampaged state of backwoodsmen and meth manufacturers and i would do it today.
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      • chiefsfan
        SBR Rookie
        • 09-16-11
        • 10

        #4
        Thanks for the advice on the site Art, I emailed them today to see if okay for Missouri residents. Also, thanks for replying unusia, I got a good laugh out of that! Obviously moving out of Missouri would be ideal. I'd love to move to Arkansas closer to my home track in Hot Springs, but I can't just pick up and go until I know I have something here. Do you guys have any tips or advice on how you handle the tax aspect of betting online?
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        • mrginandtonic
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-11-09
          • 7734

          #5
          I use xpressbet and twinspires , but don't know if they allow Missouri residents. Frankly, I thought all the legal sites are allowed anywhere in US, boy little do I know.
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          • TonyP
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-20-09
            • 8478

            #6
            what is the name of the Indian Casino??
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            • chiefsfan
              SBR Rookie
              • 09-16-11
              • 10

              #7
              Missouri is one of the few states left that doesn't allow. Makes a lot of sense, right?

              Bordertown is name of casino.
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              • chiefsfan
                SBR Rookie
                • 09-16-11
                • 10

                #8
                If a site such as www.capitalotb.com, which was recommended above, were to allow me to make bets, how do they handle the IRS issues? That seems to be the million dollar question.
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                • TonyP
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 09-20-09
                  • 8478

                  #9
                  They send you a W2-G for every win over $600.00 in horse racing. They report this to IRS
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                  • TonyP
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-20-09
                    • 8478

                    #10
                    ever go to Miama? Was thinking of going to Bordertown sometime how is it?
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                    • chiefsfan
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 09-16-11
                      • 10

                      #11
                      But if you're winning less than $600 on bets (I'm talking $100 Win bets on good favorites) then they won't report? Or is that $600 total?

                      Yeah, I've been to Miami, OK a few times to Buffalo Run. Go to Downstream some too. But Bordertown is only casino in that area with an OTB. Nothing fancy about Bordertown. Your typical Indian casino. Lots and lots of slots. But they are actually in the process of building a new casino just down the road from current location with hotel built in. Similar to what Downstream did.
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                      • TonyP
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-20-09
                        • 8478

                        #12
                        Originally posted by chiefsfan
                        But if you're winning less than $600 on bets (I'm talking $100 Win bets on good favorites) then they won't report? Or is that $600 total?

                        Yeah, I've been to Miami, OK a few times to Buffalo Run. Go to Downstream some too. But Bordertown is only casino in that area with an OTB. Nothing fancy about Bordertown. Your typical Indian casino. Lots and lots of slots. But they are actually in the process of building a new casino just down the road from current location with hotel built in. Similar to what Downstream did.


                        its only on total of 600.00 I will look it up later and post
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                        • chiefsfan
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 09-16-11
                          • 10

                          #13
                          So only when you hit a big one and make $600 on a single cash will they report to IRS? Not total for your day, month, etc.

                          I also must ask. What does the IRS do when they see a W2 with info about an online casino being how I live in a state that makes that illegal? Or when you report your gambling winnings or losses? I've heard that the IRS really doesn't care how you earned the money, just so long as your report it.
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                          • TonyP
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-20-09
                            • 8478

                            #14
                            its not total for day or month or any of that it is only on a single wager, and it is 600-1 so if you bet $100 on a win bet that is less then 600-1 and win you owe nothing, it mainly effects pk4,5,6 and tri,super and the occasional exacta. Anything over 5k the IRS auto withholds a % and you can get this back or a portion of this back depending on what tax bracket your in.
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                            • TonyP
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 09-20-09
                              • 8478

                              #15
                              Originally posted by

                              [B
                              I also must ask. What does the IRS do when they see a W2 with info about an online casino being how I live in a state that makes that illegal? Or when you report your gambling winnings or losses? I've heard that the IRS really doesn't care how you earned the money, just so long as your report it[/B].
                              IF you live in a state where you can not join the online casino then you will not recieve W2 from them because they will not let you join. Offshore books are not regulated by USA tax laws, they are different country, so no W2 from them. You could have made the wager while being in another state, get the W2 sent to you in Missouri and then have to claim this income in the state the wager was made.
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                              • chiefsfan
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 09-16-11
                                • 10

                                #16
                                Thank you. Think I finally understand now!

                                Something interesting just happened to me. I've been emailing the company, Capital OTB, a site someone above recommended I try. I asked them if Missouri residents could sign up. I got an email from them saying that it is fine and and that if it wasn't legal, they couldn't do it. I said fine so I was about to sign up. They also that there could be tracks I wouldn't be able to play because of living in Missouri (not sure what that meant). Then this morning I get a response from them saying they checked with the tote company and that there were no blocks on Missouri accounts and to sign up. An hour later I get this email "We just received an updated list of states we can not open accounts for, and missouri is one of them. sorry for all of your trouble." Odd right?
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                                • TonyP
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 09-20-09
                                  • 8478

                                  #17
                                  I checked twinspires, and xpressbet for you, they do not take Missouri so drfbets will be out to. Oklahoma residents can not wager on Oklahoma tracks through twinspires or xpressbet, state regulations
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                                  • robmpink
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                                    • 01-09-07
                                    • 13205

                                    #18
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