Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

by army mule ..fairgrounds R7 #1 danse macabre (4-1) @ 5:35

all time leading money earner for AM @ $1M+ ..listed stakes turf sprint



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put together a small p3 ticket with the AM race closing it out (R 5-7)..think DM will go off 5-2 to 3-1
and estimating those p3's would pay about $75 -100 for $1
..R5 post @ 4:15

7/234/1

[JBEX]

put together a small p3 ticket with the AM race closing it out (R 5-7)..think DM will go off 5-2 to 3-1
and estimating those p3's would pay about $75 -100 for $1
..R5 post @ 4:15

7/234/1

I left out jose ortiz #5 (6-1) in R6..maybe not too wise considering the only other 2 horses are 20-1 ml..might want to add him to the middle leg

[batt33]

I left out jose ortiz #5 (6-1) in R6..maybe not too wise considering the only other 2 horses are 20-1 ml..might want to add him to the middle leg

I will take a look!

[batt33]

Holy bull stakes ,a Liams map ..Burnham Square #7 5-1.. Broke his maiden in his 3rd start by 8... Let's see what he does stepping up in competition .

[batt33]

Good, stuff Batt.

When I see the mare and her baby in the paddock I just look at there head and try and see what is the thought process. The baby is just goofing around . A little windy and chilly so feeling really good. Mom is calmly checking things out . Mom eats some grass and smells around while Jr. is looking to nurse. Very cool. When they come back, mom gets excited. Probably time for a bucket of oats and she knows it. Jr. is just hangin out being Jr.
That's great Batt ! Thanks.

Glad you enjoy it! Just showing a different side of the game that I never had much access to..... so I figured I would post for others to enjoy.

I actually have 3 other mares that are part of the partnership ready to foal.... and will be bred back to STG....

[Madison]

GP R11 Holy Bull ... Loaded!! #6 Burning Glory no slouch and he's 8-1. Should be a great race.

#2 Ferocious may be untouchable with a clear run but sure doesn't seem comfortable in traffic.

BOL gentlemen.

[JBEX]

Holy bull stakes ,a Liams map ..Burnham Square #7 5-1.. Broke his maiden in his 3rd start by 8... Let's see what he does stepping up in competition .

mentioned burnham square ,in your thread, as a reason to try liam's map @ triple digits in pool 2 ..that was off his churchill race and before his blowout win in his last race at gulfstream..ferocious was one of mine from pool 3 @ 46-1(post 9483/pg 271 ..2 weeks ago)

[Madison]

mentioned burnham square ,in your thread, as a reason to try liam's map @ triple digits in pool 2 ..that was off his churchill race and before his blowout win in his last race at gulfstream..ferocious was one of mine from pool 3 @ 46-1(post 9483/pg 271 ..2 weeks ago)

I knew that LM would catch your attention when I previewed the race. LOL

[JBEX]

GP R11 Holy Bull ... Loaded!! #6 Burning Glory no slouch and he's 8-1. Should be a great race.

#2 Ferocious may be untouchable with a clear run but sure doesn't seem comfortable in traffic.

BOL gentlemen.

think ferocious will run big..decent pace setup,small field,he gets blinkers and now has the route experience in him ..probably be an underlay

[Madison]

think ferocious will run big..decent pace setup,small field,he gets blinkers and now has the route experience in him ..probably be an underlay

Any opinion on the #6?

[batt33]

mentioned burnham square ,in your thread, as a reason to try liam's map @ triple digits in pool 2 ..that was off his churchill race and before his blowout win in his last race at gulfstream..ferocious was one of mine from pool 3 @ 46-1(post 9483/pg 271 ..2 weeks ago)

Haha you did! It gets harder and harder to keep track of things for me now days!

[batt33]

Any opinion on the #6?

Like the 7 steps up in class... a little weaker on the speed figures though.

[batt33]

by army mule ..fairgrounds R7 #1 danse macabre (4-1) @ 5:35

all time leading money earner for AM @ $1M+ ..listed stakes turf sprint



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Was just starting to look and realized it got scratched.

[JBEX]

Was just starting to look and realized it got scratched.

ahh that sucks..thanks batt

[JBEX]

Any opinion on the #6?

other besides ferocious would be burnham square..unbiased not because it's a LM

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Workout Report[/COLOR]

Your Eclipse champion Straight No Chaser blazed through another head-turning workout this morning at Santa Anita, covering five furlongs in a best-of-72 :59.20. He continues to train exceptionally well and we couldn’t ask for more than he’s been showing us of late. Be sure to watch the second video for all of trainer Dan Blacker’s thoughts on the breeze as well as more detail about the plan between now and the G2 Riyadh Dirt Sprint in three weeks.https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...8443232861.mp4

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG3120_1738443233015/MP4/IMG3120_1738443233015.mp4

[batt33]

Holy bull stakes ,a Liams map ..Burnham Square #7 5-1.. Broke his maiden in his 3rd start by 8... Let's see what he does stepping up in competition .

He did pretty well!.... got stuck behind the tiring 1 horse along the backstretch ... eased outside going into the turn and moved like a winner! It will be interesting to see the Beyer numbers.

The 3 horse in the next race "Justinqueso" has been outworking him in the morning.... from what the announcers said....


I know it's early JBEX but Like our Liams map sire bet at 99-1! Now lets hope Caldera does the same thing !

[JBEX]

He did pretty well!.... got stuck behind the tiring 1 horse along the backstretch ... eased outside going into the turn and moved like a winner! It will be interesting to see the Beyer numbers.

The 3 horse in the next race "Justinqueso" has been outworking him in the morning.... from what the announcers said....


I know it's early JBEX but Like our Liams map sire bet at 99-1! Now lets hope Caldera does the same thing !

yes nice effort batt ..probably go to the fountain of youth in march and looks like extra distance down the road might not be a problem..also another reason to root for caldera next out !




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[batt33]

yes nice effort batt ..probably go to the fountain of youth in march and looks like extra distance down the road might not be a problem..also another reason to root for caldera next out !




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Yes indeed!

[JBEX]

Yes indeed!

sire can get runners on all surfaces,distances and track conditions ..think in the coming years his fee will go up although it didn't for this year

[batt33]

sire can get runners on all surfaces,distances and track conditions ..think in the coming years his fee will go up although it didn't for this year

The MRH partnership I'm in actually has a "Liam's map" on the way!
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Tiffany’s Mo Update
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Tiffany’s Mo’s sire Uncle Mo sadly passed away recently, which will of course impact the future supply of mares by the emerging broodmare super sire. Uncle Mo mares recently represented by stakes standouts include G2 Los Alamitos Futurity winner Journalism Dec. 14 and Ginger Brew S. winner Nitrogen—already Grade 1-placed--Jan. 4.
Tiffany’s Mo is living at Gainesway Farm and is expected to deliver her first foal around early March.

[JBEX]

The MRH partnership I'm in actually has a "Liam's map" on the way!
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Tiffany’s Mo Update
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Tiffany’s Mo’s sire Uncle Mo sadly passed away recently, which will of course impact the future supply of mares by the emerging broodmare super sire. Uncle Mo mares recently represented by stakes standouts include G2 Los Alamitos Futurity winner Journalism Dec. 14 and Ginger Brew S. winner Nitrogen—already Grade 1-placed--Jan. 4.
Tiffany’s Mo is living at Gainesway Farm and is expected to deliver her first foal around early March.

could be something real good ..I've noticed also that UM mares seem to be good producers and now that he has passed they will become even more valuable as you referenced above

[str]

Holy bull stakes ,a Liams map ..Burnham Square #7 5-1.. Broke his maiden in his 3rd start by 8... Let's see what he does stepping up in competition .

He did pretty well!.... got stuck behind the tiring 1 horse along the backstretch ... eased outside going into the turn and moved like a winner! It will be interesting to see the Beyer numbers.

The 3 horse in the next race "Justinqueso" has been outworking him in the morning.... from what the announcers said....


I know it's early JBEX but Like our Liams map sire bet at 99-1! Now lets hope Caldera does the same thing !

yes nice effort batt ..probably go to the fountain of youth in march and looks like extra distance down the road might not be a problem..also another reason to root for caldera next out !




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Very impressive effort. We have 2 sires spotted in this thread that nobody heard of a couple of years ago that just keep showing more.
That is impressive as well.

[JBEX]

Very impressive effort. We have 2 sires spotted in this thread that nobody heard of a couple of years ago that just keep showing more.
That is impressive as well.

LM is 3 years older and off the top much more capable of getting distance horses..it will be interesting to see what AM does with better mares ..possibly get more distance runners..not that this is a contest but in both cases it's nice to see them perform well,at least in our opinions,at their set fees
..even the coming class of 2yo's for AM will still be for the $7500 fee i believe ..LM many times that so obviously he gets better quality mares to breed to

[JBEX]

LM is 3 years older and off the top much more capable of getting distance horses..it will be interesting to see what AM does with better mares ..possibly get more distance runners..not that this is a contest but in both cases it's nice to see them perform well,at least in our opinions,at their set fees
..even the coming class of 2yo's for AM will still be for the $7500 fee i believe ..LM many times that so obviously he gets better quality mares to breed to

no comparison in their sires (LM much better) and I think with getting solid distance horses that might matter

[JBEX]

worth mentioning liam's map and arrogate (seize the grey) are both by unbridled's song

[str]

LM is 3 years older and off the top much more capable of getting distance horses..it will be interesting to see what AM does with better mares ..possibly get more distance runners..not that this is a contest but in both cases it's nice to see them perform well,at least in our opinions,at their set fees
..even the coming class of 2yo's for AM will still be for the $7500 fee i believe ..LM many times that so obviously he gets better quality mares to breed to

It can be difficult for a sprinter influence to get much more than a mile or 1 & 1/16. Not always but as a rule of thumb. They are all a little different. So cannot compare that way but overall production and percentage better than expected would be fair.
The better mare thing will be fun to watch won't it? I can't wait to see that.

[batt33]

yes nice effort batt ..probably go to the fountain of youth in march and looks like extra distance down the road might not be a problem..also another reason to root for caldera next out !




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Speaking of......
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Breeze Report
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Caldera worked very strongly this morning at Oaklawn, covering five furlongs in a bullet 1:00.80.
Trainer D. Wayne Lukas told us afterwards that Caldera couldn’t have breezed any better. As you’ll see in the accompanying clip, he pulls away from his workmate pretty easily.
Your colt’s next target will be the $400K Sunland Derby at Sunland Park on Sunday, Feb. 16. Note that this race will be contested over 1 1/16 miles again this year (it was run at 1 1/8 miles prior to last year).
Between the Sunland Derby, G2 Risen Star S. at Fair Grounds and G2 Rebel S. at Oaklawn, the Sunland race will almost certainly be the easiest of the three spots. Considering Caldera is just coming off a maiden win, this will give him a chance to test deeper waters without jumping all the way in first time against winners. We’ll also be able to get last-out jockey Rafael Bejarano in this spot (he’s committed to riding Southwest winner Speed King in the Rebel, no surprise) and the timing—a week earlier than the Rebel—will allow us a bit more wiggle room as we plot out subsequent races on the Derby trail. The Risen Star, in addition to likely coming up tough, will be run over 1 1/8 miles—something Caldera should eventually relish, but he’d probably benefit from another race for foundation before trying that trip.
Click here to view nominations for the Sunland Derby, though note that most connections who have horses with Triple Crown aspirations tend to be pretty liberal with their nominations, so the nominations won’t tell us much about the final field. Caldera was also nominated to the Triple Crown before the deadline this past Monday.
Another son of Liam’s Map, Burnham Square, was an impressive winner of yesterday’s G2 Holy Bull S. at Gulfstream—hopefully we can add to the sire’s success in a couple of weeks.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/VIDEO20250202091105_1738519374885/MP4/VIDEO20250202091105_1738519374885.mp4

[Madison]

Not sure I've seen this one before

AQ R7 #4 JJ's Joker. Potts barn.

This was in my stable a year or so ago. Decent runner. Always try's.

3rd race in 21 days. 1/17, 1/24, 2/2.

Str, is this fair to the horse??

[JBEX]

It can be difficult for a sprinter influence to get much more than a mile or 1 & 1/16. Not always but as a rule of thumb. They are all a little different. So cannot compare that way but overall production and percentage better than expected would be fair.
The better mare thing will be fun to watch won't it? I can't wait to see that.

yes it will be interesting for sure and especially the 2027 newbies whose breeders shelled out $25k ..have to think when they spend that much more that there will be more of a lean to get a route horse..think he'll do well and maybe by 2030 he'll be a $40-50k stallion

[JBEX]

Speaking of......
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Breeze Report
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Caldera worked very strongly this morning at Oaklawn, covering five furlongs in a bullet 1:00.80.
Trainer D. Wayne Lukas told us afterwards that Caldera couldn’t have breezed any better. As you’ll see in the accompanying clip, he pulls away from his workmate pretty easily.
Your colt’s next target will be the $400K Sunland Derby at Sunland Park on Sunday, Feb. 16. Note that this race will be contested over 1 1/16 miles again this year (it was run at 1 1/8 miles prior to last year).
Between the Sunland Derby, G2 Risen Star S. at Fair Grounds and G2 Rebel S. at Oaklawn, the Sunland race will almost certainly be the easiest of the three spots. Considering Caldera is just coming off a maiden win, this will give him a chance to test deeper waters without jumping all the way in first time against winners. We’ll also be able to get last-out jockey Rafael Bejarano in this spot (he’s committed to riding Southwest winner Speed King in the Rebel, no surprise) and the timing—a week earlier than the Rebel—will allow us a bit more wiggle room as we plot out subsequent races on the Derby trail. The Risen Star, in addition to likely coming up tough, will be run over 1 1/8 miles—something Caldera should eventually relish, but he’d probably benefit from another race for foundation before trying that trip.
Click here to view nominations for the Sunland Derby, though note that most connections who have horses with Triple Crown aspirations tend to be pretty liberal with their nominations, so the nominations won’t tell us much about the final field. Caldera was also nominated to the Triple Crown before the deadline this past Monday.
Another son of Liam’s Map, Burnham Square, was an impressive winner of yesterday’s G2 Holy Bull S. at Gulfstream—hopefully we can add to the sire’s success in a couple of weeks.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/VIDEO20250202091105_1738519374885/MP4/VIDEO20250202091105_1738519374885.mp4

makes a bunch of sense to me..hit an easier field than you would at the major tracks for the first try against winners..take a purse hit but worth it imo


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[str]

AQ R7 #4 JJ's Joker. Potts barn.

This was in my stable a year or so ago. Decent runner. Always try's.

3rd race in 21 days. 1/17, 1/24, 2/2.

Str, is this fair to the horse??

It would be unfair of me to say yes or no without seeing the horse and gauging what I felt were it's needs. While wew don't see this like we did all the time 40 years ago, if this horse is sound, I have no problem with it. What is typically not realized is that during those 7 or 9 days off you see no workouts. This horse most likely got 3 days off after the 1/17 race , jogged the wrong way a day or two or maybe all three and galloped an easy mile once. That's it.

So the question is: is it harder on a horse to work out 3 times and run once a month or train lightly and run 3 times a month?
When I was active, the overwhelming answer among trainers would have been that it is easier on the horse to run 3 times with little in between. Today, I guess it might be the opposite. Both have their critics.
This was the way most horses were trained in the 70,80,90's. I'm not sure there is a right answer Madison.
Hope that helps.

[batt33]

Something you don't see everyday......an "Into Mischief" QH,=. The breeder was the owner at one time.



Tesio

Own: Moya Juan H Or Flores Jose5/1 Blue, White "jaf" On Front And Back, White Diamonds OnMendez CruzB. g. 3Sire : Into Mischief (Harlan's Holiday) $250,000Dam: Jesst a Dream (Mr Jess Perry)


Brdr: Reginald R Rasner (CA)Trnr: Flores Jose ALife: 8 0 - 2 - 1 $5,5992024 8 0 - 2 - 1 $5,599L 126 2023 0 0 - 0 - 0 $0

[batt33]

makes a bunch of sense to me..hit an easier field than you would at the major tracks for the first try against winners..take a purse hit but worth it imo


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I agree 100%!

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: hope thing are good down your way? have you read about the decoupling issue down in FLA. I don't understand too much of what's going on but the Stronach group is threatening to shut down operations at Gulfstream Park if the decoupling is not instituted. Any thoughts on the subject? THX in advance.