Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

saturday by army mule
(baq,churchill,gulfstream,santa anita or stakes)

(post 11229 record)



baq 3 (1:36)
3 shadow dragon (8-1)


delaware 8 (4:46) stakes
1 discreet ops (5-1)

[JBEX]

thought you might find interesting str..baq 1 a 2yo msw run at 1 mile

rick dutrow has the ml favorite 6 igniter (2-1) going up against 3 real expensive horses including a $5M yearling purchase 3 courting (3-1) trained by pletcher..the other 2 expensive ones 7 (6-1) and 8 (12-1) are trained by chad brown

[str]

thought you might find interesting str..baq 1 a 2yo msw run at 1 mile

rick dutrow has the ml favorite 6 igniter (2-1) going up against 3 real expensive horses including a $5M yearling purchase 3 courting (3-1) trained by pletcher..the other 2 expensive ones 7 (6-1) and 8 (12-1) are trained by chad brown

A mile is interesting. Starting off at that distance usually suggests the horse does not have a early turn of foot. Maybe not supposed to with the breeding but, it is a clue.

Ricks horse looks like it will be tough in there. You never know with Todd and Chad if the horse is a monster but if so, I would tend to think they would have run shorter, like 7/8ths if that was possible.

Remember, Ricks horse will most likely be better today than his last race. That is how we were taught. That's probably the deal here.

Thanks for the heads up. Should be fun to watch all of them run.

[JBEX]

A mile is interesting. Starting off at that distance usually suggests the horse does not have a early turn of foot. Maybe not supposed to with the breeding but, it is a clue.

Ricks horse looks like it will be tough in there. You never know with Todd and Chad if the horse is a monster but if so, I would tend to think they would have run shorter, like 7/8ths if that was possible.

Remember, Ricks horse will most likely be better today than his last race. That is how we were taught. That's probably the deal here.

Thanks for the heads up. Should be fun to watch all of them run.

no problem str

even with how well dutrow's ran first out penciling him as the ml favorite shows a lot of respect with what else is in here .. the $5M horse is route top and bottom so I can see starting off at a mile for him

[JBEX]

I like rick's horse here (6 igniter) ..think the 3 might need a race and Chad's two are cold on the board..he's currently 4-1 @ 45mtp

[JBEX]

just figure I'd mention that R9 today at aqueduct,the vosburgh stakes, is sponsored by army mule .. sensible sponsorship as AM final race same track,distance and both are graded stakes (carter stakes was AM's final race and he won it )

[JBEX]

sunday by army mule
(baq,churchill,gulfstream,santa anita or stakes)

(post 11229 record)


baq 1(1:10)
5 remember the chief (15-1)

churchill 4 (2:13)
8 my stubborn lassie (8-1)

remington 4 (5:33) 2yo stakes
1 double l's army (15-1)


posted today's results

[JBEX]

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[JBEX]

sept tracking post 11229 (pg 321)



october

continuation of ARMY MULE progeny tracking at baq , gulfstream , kee,santa anita and going to add laurel honor of str who has contributed greatly in evaluating him as a racehorse and sire ..churchill finished today and won't pick it up again when it resumes 10/26..if there are any in the breeders cup races at del mar will include them here and conclude everything with that (11/1)


baq .. belmont at aqu
gpk .. gulfstream
kee .. keeneland
san .. santa anita
lrl .. laurel

upcoming entries in boldface
footnotes in boldface

xx) we1001 nothing (0 tracks)
xx) th1002 nothing (1 track)
01) fr1003 lrl 2 hoor (12-1) out [9-1]
02) sa1004 lrl 6 my l (6-1) 3rd/10 [5-2]
03) sa1004 baq 8 grou (12-1) WON $26.86
04) su1005 kee 6 grad (12-1) 2nd/11 [12-1]
05) su1005 kee 7 paig (4-1) scratched
xx) mo1006 tu1007 off days
xx) we1008 nothing (1 track)
xx) th1009 nothing (2 tracks)
06) fr1010 baq 3 army (3-1) 2nd/6 [2-1]
07) sa1011 baq 5 reme (20-1) out [20-1]
08) sa1011 kee 6 hill (9-5) 2nd/ 7 [9-5]
09) sa1011 woo 10 a li (4-1) out [9-2]
10) su1012 lrl 5 luck (20-1) out [26-1]
11) su1012 gpk 9 mili (5-1) 3rd/9 [3-1]
12) mo1013 fin 4 part (4-1) 2nd/4 [12-1]
xx) tu1014 off day
xx) we1015 nothing
13)th1016 kee 3 bye (8-1) out [20-1]
14)fr1017 kee 1 army (8-1) 4th/8 [4-1]
15) fr1017 kee 6 army (15-1) out [31-1]
16) fr1017 kee 10 mast (12-1) 3rd/11 [14-1]
17) fr1017 gpk 6 snip (10-1) 2nd/7 [5-2]
18) fr1017 lrl 7 hoor (30-1) out [23-1]
19) fr1017 san 1 ovet (3-2) WON $7.80
20) fr1017 san 9 debb (5-2) 3rd/9 [4-5]




(02) neck off winner
(03) 2yo turf route stakes
(04) half length off winner
(09) woodbine g3 stakes
(12) 2yo ny bred stakes .. finger lakes
(12) 4 horse field with a 1-20 fav who won
(16) neck winner
(20) nose 3rd

[str]

sept tracking post 11229 (pg 321)



october

continuation of ARMY MULE progeny tracking at baq , gulfstream , kee,santa anita and going to add laurel honor of str who has contributed greatly in evaluating him as a racehorse and sire ..churchill finished today and won't pick it up again when it resumes 10/26..if there are any in the breeders cup races at del mar will include them here and conclude everything with that (11/1)


baq .. belmont at aqu
gpk .. gulfstream
kee .. keeneland
san .. santa anita
lrl .. laurel

Thanks JBEX. Appreciate all the work that goes in and especially Laurel, where I can see who is training an Army Mule baby. You can bet if they are at the horseman’s reunion next April, I will be sure and ask them about the horse they train. I doubt some of them will feel as strongly about AM as we do but you never know. It will be interesting or sure and I will ask about soundness , breathing demeanor, etc. and try and learn more about his offspring.
Now that will be interesting.

[JBEX]

Thanks JBEX. Appreciate all the work that goes in and especially Laurel, where I can see who is training an Army Mule baby. You can bet if they are at the horseman’s reunion next April, I will be sure and ask them about the horse they train. I doubt some of them will feel as strongly about AM as we do but you never know. It will be interesting or sure and I will ask about soundness , breathing demeanor, etc. and try and learn more about his offspring.
Now that will be interesting.

no problem str..I'll set the over under for army mule progeny running at laurel in october at 8- ..see how close I am lol

yeah would be cool to hear from a trainer's perspective what one or two of them are like if you are able to talk to somebody who has or had one


there was an AM winner there yesterday in R8 that paid $17.80

I'll throw one out there today (by army mule) since we are discussing him..will not be added to the record as it's not one of our tracks

parx 6 (2:59)
3 pam pam (4-1)
out [5-2]

[JBEX]

by army mule tuesday

parx 9 (4:20)
9 forward move (4-1)

Won $6.80 .. by about 6 lengths and even more impressive is his time about 2 seconds faster than 2 open claiming races at the same level earlier in the card ..yes those races were for males..have made that mistake before lol .. name fits this horse

[ProSportsEdge]

This is where I might be behind in the times. There is soooo much info out there today that did not exist 10 years ago that I do not want to tell you the wrong thing. To my knowledge DRF.com ( Daily Racing Form) is still the leader in info. But be aware that their is SO much for you to learn and so many variables involved that if you bet more than 2.00 dollars a race at this point , I would say you are crazy. Probably best served to watch as many races as possible and just start to get a feel for the game.
So, with that said, please do me 2 favors.
1st. READ THE CHARTS of the races you watch the next day and review what you think you saw.
2nd. Learn to watch replays of every race you witness. Both angles. Even if you do not know what you are watching yet, you will see things along the way and become a better handicapper for it.
Most handicappers are only as good as there routine. Make sure that yours is better than the guys you are playing against , namely all the other bettors out there.
Keep me posted.

That’s solid advice. There’s just so much to take in with horse racing that diving in too fast can get expensive quick. Watching replays and studying charts sounds like the best way to actually build an eye for it. Routine definitely makes sense too — the more consistent you are, the better you’ll spot things others might miss.

[JBEX]

by army mule tuesday

parx 9 (4:20)
9 forward move (4-1)

55 mins to this race..just want to say that I'm going to add this and yesterday's to the monthly results

[JBEX]

by army mule tuesday

parx 9 (4:20)
9 forward move (4-1)

Won $6.80 .. by about 6 lengths and even more impressive is his time about 2 seconds faster than 2 open claiming races at the same level earlier in the card ..yes those races were for males..have made that mistake before lol .. name fits this horse

meant to quote the original

[ProSportsEdge]

Honestly I think this might happen to some degree in harness racing, but I do not know for sure, but if it is happening anywhere in flat racing other than some rinky dink track as small and backwards as Charlestown at least and probably less than that , I would be stunned. For a trainer to say something like that at let's say Pimlico , Del. Park , Parx. is simply unheard of. In my time it did not exist. If you could give me more info as to who would do this or where the race took place I could better speak too it. Please let me know.

Gotcha, thanks for sharing that perspective. I’ve heard bits and pieces about it happening at smaller harness tracks too, but like you said, at places like Pimlico or Parx it would be shocking. I’ll try to dig up more details on the specific trainer/track so it’s clearer where this came from.

[str]

What a rotten, no class thing to do to a young kid who has done nothing wrong.
After doing their best to ruin Md. racing, this ownership now pulls this on a 25 year old trainer because they are mad at his father.

You folks can bet anywhere you want to but please take a couple minutes and read what this ownership is doing to this young man. He is highly qualified, good at his job, and they pull this stunt.

All this ownership wants is every penny of your money. All you have to do is see that when there are zero minutes to post time, the horses are nowhere near the gate. That is to make sure that they squeeze ever dollar they can out of the public. What an embarrassment to racing they are.

All I ask is to please read this and if you still want to support this ownership, then do so. Just please realize who you are supporting.

The horsemen would have never tolerated that when I was there. They would strike. If ever there was a situation that calls for that, this is it.

Shame on that ownership. This makes me sick.

https://amp.horseracingnation.com/news/Vaccarezza_finds_support_after_Gulfstream_denies_entries_123

[JBEX]

only 1 track .. nothing thursday (11279)

[JBEX]

lone army mule running friday and all 5 tracks are going

laurel 2 (12:38)
5 hooraw (12-1)

[JBEX]

world record runs in a grade 2 stakes at keeneland friday (R7 ,#4, 8-5 ml ).. a horse str and i have followed since his debut .. not a recommendation to play rather just an alert that he's going

[str]

I was looking for a Deterministic update and saw that he has not had a published work since before his last start.

Hope he’s ok but doesn’t sound right a month away from the Breeders Cup races.

[JBEX]

I was looking for a Deterministic update and saw that he has not had a published work since before his last start.

Hope he’s ok but doesn’t sound right a month away from the Breeders Cup races.

i thought the same thing ..do you think it would be about 1.5 - 2 months of works to prep for that ?

[batt33]

world record runs in a grade 2 stakes at keeneland friday (R7 ,#4, 8-5 ml ).. a horse str and i have followed since his debut .. not a recommendation to play rather just an alert that he's going

I'm watching!

[batt33]

What a rotten, no class thing to do to a young kid who has done nothing wrong.
After doing their best to ruin Md. racing, this ownership now pulls this on a 25 year old trainer because they are mad at his father.

You folks can bet anywhere you want to but please take a couple minutes and read what this ownership is doing to this young man. He is highly qualified, good at his job, and they pull this stunt.

All this ownership wants is every penny of your money. All you have to do is see that when there are zero minutes to post time, the horses are nowhere near the gate. That is to make sure that they squeeze ever dollar they can out of the public. What an embarrassment to racing they are.

All I ask is to please read this and if you still want to support this ownership, then do so. Just please realize who you are supporting.

The horsemen would have never tolerated that when I was there. They would strike. If ever there was a situation that calls for that, this is it.

Shame on that ownership. This makes me sick.


https://amp.horseracingnation.com/ne...es_entries_123

well do STR! I will read it.

[JBEX]

maybe they're just going to retire him to stud ..he's won 2 straight grade 1's and a grade 2 before that so the resume looks sharp
..you have to travel cross country and then (because it's turf) might have to face some really tough european runners..could see them possibly passing on that

[batt33]

wow Nakatomi is just so consistent ! but guess what SNC will give him a run in the breeders cup!

[JBEX]

saturday by army mule
baq,gulfstream,laurel,keeneland or santa anita


baq 8 (3:51) 2yo stakes
3 ground support (12-1)
this is the $203 first time starter at kentucky downs

laurel 6 (2:44)
10 my little nico g (6-1)

[str]

i thought the same thing ..do you think it would be about 1.5 - 2 months of works to prep for that ?

The thing with long layoffs from workouts is not the fitness, but the lung capacity and breathing that needs to be kept up. When we see those 1/2 mile in 50 works, you can bet that they are the tail end of a mile galloped in 15’s per 1/8th. What is called a two minute clip meaning, a mile breeze in exactly two minutes.
They do that to get the breathing going and then finish off with a 1/2 in 50 seconds. Easy on the legs, emphasis on the lungs and breathing.

That is what would be lacking from his training.
I guess we will find out soon enough.

[ProSportsEdge]

Honestly I think this might happen to some degree in harness racing, but I do not know for sure, but if it is happening anywhere in flat racing other than some rinky dink track as small and backwards as Charlestown at least and probably less than that , I would be stunned. For a trainer to say something like that at let's say Pimlico , Del. Park , Parx. is simply unheard of. In my time it did not exist. If you could give me more info as to who would do this or where the race took place I could better speak too it. Please let me know.

I hear you on that. At bigger tracks like Pimlico or Parx, I’d agree it’s not something you really see or hear about openly. But at smaller circuits, especially the “rinky dink” ones, there have definitely been whispers and stories floating around. It’s usually not talked about publicly, which makes it tough to pin down solid examples.

[JBEX]

hey str

it's our time (huge margin debut winner at saratoga) is going today in the champagne at aqueduct (R7 , #6 , even ) .. know you said you wanted to follow him

[JBEX]

sunday by army mule @
baq/gulfstream/laurel/keeneland/santa anita


kee 6 (3:40)
4 grade a (12-1)

kee 7 (4:12)
4 paige turner (4-1)


posted today's results (11279)

[ProSportsEdge]

Honestly I think this might happen to some degree in harness racing, but I do not know for sure, but if it is happening anywhere in flat racing other than some rinky dink track as small and backwards as Charlestown at least and probably less than that , I would be stunned. For a trainer to say something like that at let's say Pimlico , Del. Park , Parx. is simply unheard of. In my time it did not exist. If you could give me more info as to who would do this or where the race took place I could better speak too it. Please let me know.

Yeah I hear you, definitely not something you’d expect at places like Pimlico or Parx. More of a small-track thing if it happens at all. I’ve heard whispers around harness racing here and there but never seen it firsthand in flat racing at bigger venues. Would be interesting to know the exact track and trainer though.

[JBEX]

posted today's result (11279) .. monday and tuesday our tracks don't run

[ProSportsEdge]

This is where I might be behind in the times. There is soooo much info out there today that did not exist 10 years ago that I do not want to tell you the wrong thing. To my knowledge DRF.com ( Daily Racing Form) is still the leader in info. But be aware that their is SO much for you to learn and so many variables involved that if you bet more than 2.00 dollars a race at this point , I would say you are crazy. Probably best served to watch as many races as possible and just start to get a feel for the game.
So, with that said, please do me 2 favors.
1st. READ THE CHARTS of the races you watch the next day and review what you think you saw.
2nd. Learn to watch replays of every race you witness. Both angles. Even if you do not know what you are watching yet, you will see things along the way and become a better handicapper for it.
Most handicappers are only as good as there routine. Make sure that yours is better than the guys you are playing against , namely all the other bettors out there.
Keep me posted.

Thanks for the advice! I completely agree—there’s so much info out there now, it can be overwhelming. I’ll stick to watching races, reading the charts, and checking replays like you suggested. Definitely makes sense to take it slow and build the routine before betting big. Appreciate the tips!

[str]

Thanks for the advice! I completely agree—there’s so much info out there now, it can be overwhelming. I’ll stick to watching races, reading the charts, and checking replays like you suggested. Definitely makes sense to take it slow and build the routine before betting big. Appreciate the tips!

Let me add that you need to know your chart caller. What I mean is, the grade A tracks will no doubt have a very good chart caller, but very minor tracks most likely will not. Simply because they do not have a budget that can afford one. So careful with those smaller tracks. In that case, I would trust my own eyes well before trusting what the charts say. And, they are not typically wrong, just not pointing out what was an important component of the trip.
In order to self improve, I would read the chart at a lesser track, then look at the race myself. You can improve by simply seeing what the chart caller either did not see, or recognize what mattered, or was just too lazy to write about it. That creates competition in your head, which motivated me to compare, which can only lead to improvement, especially when you see a seasoned top notch chart caller at a major track, call out the same situation that the weaker caller failed to mention.

Hope that helps.