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MadisonSBR Hall of Famer
- 09-16-11
- 6428
#10046Comment -
MadisonSBR Hall of Famer
- 09-16-11
- 6428
#10047Looked like a 1/9 shot.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23177
#10048by army mule..fairgrounds R7 #7 flick (10-1) @ 4:45
first time starter and trainer is bad at that..has a nice turf sprint pedigree (AM's run on grass and bottom also) but I think and sure str would agree the trainer info takes precedence .. considering that a good effort here would show a lotAgree JBEX. The trainer stats usually should take precedent. In a perfect world, this horse breaks a bit tardy today, which goes to the preparation of a firster sometimes, shows hidden run, which I assume he has being by AM, and runs back next time in the same type of race, or lesser, which would be a gift as this does not look like a real tough event. When you watch for things, this is stuff that can really show up.
Am I surprised if he runs well today? No, they all seem to. But if what I mentioned happens, he could be a real decent play next out. Trainers win %'s probably increase a bit as a 2nd time starter, then 3rd. A horse to watch closely today IMO.
Thanks for the heads up. This one is worth following I think.
couple of more by AM today
turf paradise R2 @ 3:24
#2 come on mulitch (2-1)
turfway R8 @ 9:25
#4 top (8-1)
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strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
#10049
All the best sir.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
#10050
Come On Mulitch looks really solid in there. He should run very well.
Hunch bet with Gonzaga underneath. My High School's name from 100 years ago. Lol.
Turfway R8
#4 Top looks pretty good as well. The 1 horse beat him 2-3 lengths last time but with that race under the 4 horses belt, the 1 will need to run harder this time to beat him again.
Both these AM's have decent chances to run very well IMO.Comment -
Easy-Rider 66BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-14-12
- 36088
#10051Hey STR looking for your opinion on a horse. It's today Race #1 at FG. The horse in question is the #8 Cora's Legacy. you can access the PP's by Goldencents. I like the fact that the comment part of PP's said rallied between (just missed show) And also like some other things based on pace. If you get a chance to watch the replay you can see she was headed today and fought back and scored. At least that what I see for today. What do you see via PP's and replays? THX in advance.Last edited by Easy-Rider 66; 03-06-25, 02:16 PM.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23177
#10052Race 2 Turf paradise:
Come On Mulitch looks really solid in there. He should run very well.
Hunch bet with Gonzaga underneath. My High School's name from 100 years ago. Lol.
Turfway R8
#4 Top looks pretty good as well. The 1 horse beat him 2-3 lengths last time but with that race under the 4 horses belt, the 1 will need to run harder this time to beat him again.
Both these AM's have decent chances to run very well IMO.
last race gameness was impressive ..pace wasn't slow either and only one who ran a dirt route last out..good luck with your exacta str
top
respectable 3rd in debut and certainly could move forward off that..thing I like about turfway park for AM's is being able to run on dirt and grass more likely imo he might like the artificial surface ..realize that's already been proven somewhat with her debut..also you're not getting as many top horses that you'd get at CD and kee so a little class reliefComment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
#10053Hey STR looking for your opinion on a horse. It's today Race #1 at FG. The horse in question is the #8 Cora's Legacy. you can access the PP's by Goldencents. I like the fact that the comment part of PP's said rallied between (just missed show) And also like some other things based on pace. If you get a chance to watch the replay you can see she was headed today and fought back and scored. At least that what I see for today. What do you see via PP's and replays? THX in advance.
Watch the outside reign on her start flopping and when the rider gathers her back up, she kicks on and finishes VERY well. Wow. The kind of stuff you love to see for next out plays. That would have been a clue off her last race. Today, just saw that replay, she breaks slow again, for no reason other than she is not focused I guess, but runs up to get a nice position and finishes well. Weird though, she switches back to her left lead at the 1/16th pole and then switches again to the right lead very late. Not sure what to make of that but she ran great today. And, not to say for sure but if we had seen that last effort, she certainly would have been on the watch list for today.
Hope you had her EZ. Great pick if you did.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
#10054Ok EZ. I was confused at first and watched Corrie's Legacy's last replay. And OMG, did you watch it?? She broke a step slow , was rated back to last in 25 and 50, closed ok but... the rider drops his outside reign at about the 1/8th pole and at the time she is a little flat. Not stopping but not gaining. He drops the outside reign, gathers it back up and she takes off like a rocket and finishes really well the last 1/16th or so.
Watch the outside reign on her start flopping and when the rider gathers her back up, she kicks on and finishes VERY well. Wow. The kind of stuff you love to see for next out plays. That would have been a clue off her last race. Today, just saw that replay, she breaks slow again, for no reason other than she is not focused I guess, but runs up to get a nice position and finishes well. Weird though, she switches back to her left lead at the 1/16th pole and then switches again to the right lead very late. Not sure what to make of that but she ran great today. And, not to say for sure but if we had seen that last effort, she certainly would have been on the watch list for today.
Hope you had her EZ. Great pick if you did.Comment -
Easy-Rider 66BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-14-12
- 36088
#10055
Ok EZ. I was confused at first and watched Corrie's Legacy's last replay. And OMG, did you watch it?? She broke a step slow , was rated back to last in 25 and 50, closed ok but... the rider drops his outside reign at about the 1/8th pole and at the time she is a little flat. Not stopping but not gaining. He drops the outside reign, gathers it back up and she takes off like a rocket and finishes really well the last 1/16th or so.
Watch the outside reign on her start flopping and when the rider gathers her back up, she kicks on and finishes VERY well. Wow. The kind of stuff you love to see for next out plays. That would have been a clue off her last race. Today, just saw that replay, she breaks slow again, for no reason other than she is not focused I guess, but runs up to get a nice position and finishes well. Weird though, she switches back to her left lead at the 1/16th pole and then switches again to the right lead very late. Not sure what to make of that but she ran great today. And, not to say for sure but if we had seen that last effort, she certainly would have been on the watch list for today.
Hope you had her EZ. Great pick if you did.
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yeah 10/1. Posted her in the thread but no $$$ down as I still can't bet Pari mutual in my state. It's been legal for 1 year but not live. NO I did not watch her last race replay.(should have) but will take a look soon. THX for the info on the leads, Very rarely do I catch that. Usually watching the rider's movements. thx.Comment -
Easy-Rider 66BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-14-12
- 36088
#10056OK watched the replay. the comment line was a little misleading as I though she was racing between for a bit. Maybe my error to assume that. Anyway impressive run she made. Agree by watching replay she was a follow next out. The race on 2/13 she went off at 17/1. today was 10/1. THX again.Comment -
batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5981
#10057
I hope you bet Madison. I hope others that read this did as well. That is about as enthusiastic as I can get on a next bet out type of horse without knowing all the circumstances. I'm really glad it won for you, and hopefully others. I do enjoy watching replays and seeing things that point forward to a solid next effort.
All the best sir.
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Thanks Madison for finding the post!Comment -
batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5981
#10058
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Workout Update
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Caldera worked five furlongs this morning at Oaklawn Park outside of stablemate Ripped, covering the distance in a bullet :59.20. Trainer D. Wayne Lukas is still mulling over Derby prep options for your son of Liam’s Map, but Louisiana continues to be the front runner as of this moment. We will pass along any updates as soon as a decision has been made.
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JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23177
#10059guessing he traveled about 4 -6 lengths further going wide around both turns ..would account for the much lower (better) figure which as they said is an excellent one for a 3yo's this time of year..add to that (for me anyway) an early foal with a somewhat late start to his career (means he's getting his sh*t together quick) and I'd say things are developing really nice for him
interesting to see what final leg derby prep he'll shoot for..with the number he earned last out they might not be afraid to go anywhere..I like the louisiana derby as it's usually a little easier than arkansas or florida and you get to go the extra 1/16 th of a mile..5 weeks away and 6 weeks prior to the big one..nice spacing imo..whatever the path exciting to see him going forward as a serious contenderLast edited by JBEX; 03-06-25, 04:42 PM.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23177
#10061by army mule..fairgrounds R7 #7 flick (10-1) @ 4:45
first time starter and trainer is bad at that..has a nice turf sprint pedigree (AM's run on grass and bottom also) but I think and sure str would agree the trainer info takes precedence .. considering that a good effort here would show a lotComment -
Easy-Rider 66BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-14-12
- 36088
#10062Hey guys: Trevor Denman retiring as the DEL MAR Race caller. One of the best announcers in the business imo. Will be interesting to see who replaces him? Will update when I know more.Comment -
batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5981
#10063
After 40 years on the mic, predominantly at Santa Anita and Del Mar, but also for a time as the voice of the Breeders' Cup and Triple Crown races, track announcer Trevor Denman has announced his retirement. “This is one of the hardest decisions I have ever made,” Denman said. “But my soul is tellingComment -
Easy-Rider 66BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-14-12
- 36088
#10065Larry Collmus...He called the fall meet at Delmar. Always loved Trevor.... and his calls "Moving like a winner" or "They would need to sprout wings to catch him now".
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co...es-retirement/Comment -
batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5981
#10066
I watched the workout... and it looked like he was just loping along.... then I saw the time and had to do a double take..!Comment -
batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5981
#10070turfway R8 @ 9:25
#4 top (8-1) Hustled out of the gate and along the rail I wonder if that took a little away down the stretch.
Winner finished well.
I have mentioned this before..... but "Vekoma" youngsters are "en Fuego"
first time starters are over 21% win rate.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23177
#10071
..both lightly raced and have a hunch they'll find the winners circle with some time..possibly the turfway horse might need to drop in vs maiden claimers ..the vekoma was impressive and he is ,as we've mentioned, cranking out some really good horses ..by candy ride (sire of gun runner.. $250k fee) think he's going to be an elite sire in the not too distant future..stands for $35k this year and opened at $20k in 2021
you have to keep in mind that AM is still working with mares who were bred to him at a $7500 fee and that will be true again with this years crop of 2yos..you can only do so much and relative to his fee he's a real producer..next years 2yo will be from a $12.5 fee and 2027's will be from a $25k fee so will be interesting how he'll do in the future with higher quality maresComment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
#10072just kind of an even effort to me but admittedly just going by watching the race live and didn't look at a replay..fairgrounds was scratched and the turf paradise horse was pressed on the lead till the quarter pole (1 mile race) where she started to give it up and faded badly the final eighth
..both lightly raced and have a hunch they'll find the winners circle with some time..possibly the turfway horse might need to drop in vs maiden claimers ..the vekoma was impressive and he is ,as we've mentioned, cranking out some really good horses ..by candy ride (sire of gun runner.. $250k fee) think he's going to be an elite sire in the not too distant future..stands for $35k this year and opened at $20k in 2021
you have to keep in mind that AM is still working with mares who were bred to him at a $7500 fee and that will be true again with this years crop of 2yos..you can only do so much and relative to his fee he's a real producer..next years 2yo will be from a $12.5 fee and 2027's will be from a $25k fee so will be interesting how he'll do in the future with higher quality mares
When you pull up the replay, only watch the inside eye and head of the 4 horse. That is it. Just his eye that is visible. What you will see is, just before the break, the horse gets scared, or upset, jostled, whatever . At that exact time, this horse is NOT thinking about racing or breaking. He is ONLY thinking about what scared the heck out of him. Now maybe, something pinched him and it hurt and that scared him. I don't know but whatever it was, it had ALL of his attention. That does happen but it typically takes 3-4 seconds, just like it would for you, to catch your breath and get over being very startled. (Put yourself in the horses shoes). You get the crap scared out of you just before the starting pistol goes off, you are still recovering from that after only a second or two, and BANG ! There off. Would you break well and be focused?? I know I wouldn't. IMO, that is exactly what happened here.
The horse was not prepared to break after that event and needed another few seconds, but the starter sprung the latch and he was left flat footed, and not focused. So now what?
What we can hope for is that the trainer saw this and gets that horse back to the gate several times at least in the morning to just load, stand, and back out. Just give him a chance to settle. We can also hope he draws a more outside post next out so less time to be in there, and off the rail where that last experience occurred. If all that can occur, this horse will break much better next out, he will be in focus from the first stride, and if they can find a race with a little class relief, that would be enough to make this guy a winner IMO. Now maybe he cannot get that class relief. Is he good enough to win? Yeah, he might be. Off his 1st race, I felt he could improve and win. He did not get that chance with what went on in this horses world least night while in the gate.
So in my mind, this is a must follow next out.
Please let me/all of us, know when he is entered next. He might even show up with Blinkers "ON'. in his next start. Not saying he needs them but that might be the conclusion drawn from what took place.
Will be fun to follow . Someone write this horse down for an alert please.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
#10073This is actually a really good race to watch on the replay. I encourage you to do it . I will show you something that helps understand what happened from the horses point of view.
When you pull up the replay, only watch the inside eye and head of the 4 horse. That is it. Just his eye that is visible. What you will see is, just before the break, the horse gets scared, or upset, jostled, whatever . At that exact time, this horse is NOT thinking about racing or breaking. He is ONLY thinking about what scared the heck out of him. Now maybe, something pinched him and it hurt and that scared him. I don't know but whatever it was, it had ALL of his attention. That does happen but it typically takes 3-4 seconds, just like it would for you, to catch your breath and get over being very startled. (Put yourself in the horses shoes). You get the crap scared out of you just before the starting pistol goes off, you are still recovering from that after only a second or two, and BANG ! There off. Would you break well and be focused?? I know I wouldn't. IMO, that is exactly what happened here.
The horse was not prepared to break after that event and needed another few seconds, but the starter sprung the latch and he was left flat footed, and not focused. So now what?
What we can hope for is that the trainer saw this and gets that horse back to the gate several times at least in the morning to just load, stand, and back out. Just give him a chance to settle. We can also hope he draws a more outside post next out so less time to be in there, and off the rail where that last experience occurred. If all that can occur, this horse will break much better next out, he will be in focus from the first stride, and if they can find a race with a little class relief, that would be enough to make this guy a winner IMO. Now maybe he cannot get that class relief. Is he good enough to win? Yeah, he might be. Off his 1st race, I felt he could improve and win. He did not get that chance with what went on in this horses world least night while in the gate.
So in my mind, this is a must follow next out.
Please let me/all of us, know when he is entered next. He might even show up with Blinkers "ON'. in his next start. Not saying he needs them but that might be the conclusion drawn from what took place.
Will be fun to follow . Someone write this horse down for an alert please.Comment -
JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23177
#10074This is actually a really good race to watch on the replay. I encourage you to do it . I will show you something that helps understand what happened from the horses point of view.
When you pull up the replay, only watch the inside eye and head of the 4 horse. That is it. Just his eye that is visible. What you will see is, just before the break, the horse gets scared, or upset, jostled, whatever . At that exact time, this horse is NOT thinking about racing or breaking. He is ONLY thinking about what scared the heck out of him. Now maybe, something pinched him and it hurt and that scared him. I don't know but whatever it was, it had ALL of his attention. That does happen but it typically takes 3-4 seconds, just like it would for you, to catch your breath and get over being very startled. (Put yourself in the horses shoes). You get the crap scared out of you just before the starting pistol goes off, you are still recovering from that after only a second or two, and BANG ! There off. Would you break well and be focused?? I know I wouldn't. IMO, that is exactly what happened here.
The horse was not prepared to break after that event and needed another few seconds, but the starter sprung the latch and he was left flat footed, and not focused. So now what?
What we can hope for is that the trainer saw this and gets that horse back to the gate several times at least in the morning to just load, stand, and back out. Just give him a chance to settle. We can also hope he draws a more outside post next out so less time to be in there, and off the rail where that last experience occurred. If all that can occur, this horse will break much better next out, he will be in focus from the first stride, and if they can find a race with a little class relief, that would be enough to make this guy a winner IMO. Now maybe he cannot get that class relief. Is he good enough to win? Yeah, he might be. Off his 1st race, I felt he could improve and win. He did not get that chance with what went on in this horses world least night while in the gate.
So in my mind, this is a must follow next out.
Please let me/all of us, know when he is entered next. He might even show up with Blinkers "ON'. in his next start. Not saying he needs them but that might be the conclusion drawn from what took place.
Will be fun to follow . Someone write this horse down for an alert please.
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strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
#10075
That horse was a mess mentally throughout the race.
I think the horse burned more energy mentally than physically.
we need to keep an eye on this one for sure.Comment -
Easy-Rider 66BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-14-12
- 36088
#10076Hey STR: tell us about the story where you put up a BILL on a horse race and returned 11K with a good friend of yours. Did you hit a super etc? THX.Comment -
batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5981
#10077just kind of an even effort to me but admittedly just going by watching the race live and didn't look at a replay..fairgrounds was scratched and the turf paradise horse was pressed on the lead till the quarter pole (1 mile race) where she started to give it up and faded badly the final eighth
..both lightly raced and have a hunch they'll find the winners circle with some time..possibly the turfway horse might need to drop in vs maiden claimers ..the vekoma was impressive and he is ,as we've mentioned, cranking out some really good horses ..by candy ride (sire of gun runner.. $250k fee) think he's going to be an elite sire in the not too distant future..stands for $35k this year and opened at $20k in 2021
you have to keep in mind that AM is still working with mares who were bred to him at a $7500 fee and that will be true again with this years crop of 2yos..you can only do so much and relative to his fee he's a real producer..next years 2yo will be from a $12.5 fee and 2027's will be from a $25k fee so will be interesting how he'll do in the future with higher quality maresComment -
batt33SBR Hall of Famer
- 12-23-16
- 5981
#10078This is actually a really good race to watch on the replay. I encourage you to do it . I will show you something that helps understand what happened from the horses point of view.
When you pull up the replay, only watch the inside eye and head of the 4 horse. That is it. Just his eye that is visible. What you will see is, just before the break, the horse gets scared, or upset, jostled, whatever . At that exact time, this horse is NOT thinking about racing or breaking. He is ONLY thinking about what scared the heck out of him. Now maybe, something pinched him and it hurt and that scared him. I don't know but whatever it was, it had ALL of his attention. That does happen but it typically takes 3-4 seconds, just like it would for you, to catch your breath and get over being very startled. (Put yourself in the horses shoes). You get the crap scared out of you just before the starting pistol goes off, you are still recovering from that after only a second or two, and BANG ! There off. Would you break well and be focused?? I know I wouldn't. IMO, that is exactly what happened here.
The horse was not prepared to break after that event and needed another few seconds, but the starter sprung the latch and he was left flat footed, and not focused. So now what?
What we can hope for is that the trainer saw this and gets that horse back to the gate several times at least in the morning to just load, stand, and back out. Just give him a chance to settle. We can also hope he draws a more outside post next out so less time to be in there, and off the rail where that last experience occurred. If all that can occur, this horse will break much better next out, he will be in focus from the first stride, and if they can find a race with a little class relief, that would be enough to make this guy a winner IMO. Now maybe he cannot get that class relief. Is he good enough to win? Yeah, he might be. Off his 1st race, I felt he could improve and win. He did not get that chance with what went on in this horses world least night while in the gate.
So in my mind, this is a must follow next out.
Please let me/all of us, know when he is entered next. He might even show up with Blinkers "ON'. in his next start. Not saying he needs them but that might be the conclusion drawn from what took place.
Will be fun to follow . Someone write this horse down for an alert please.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11614
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JBEXSBR Posting Legend
- 01-02-12
- 23177
#10080While we are on the Army Mule subject and mismanagement of placement for some of these horses by their connections, it will be cool to watch the horse Army Gal that Linda Rice just won her 2nd race in two starts with. As you know, I constantly praise her for putting her horses in really good situations. That's what she does. And the theory of a horse improving by being successful is hopefully something we will witness together.
That said, she is quickly running out of spots without trying a Stake as 2 other than races for 3 year olds in March are hard to fill and may not even be written quite yet. Either way, she will be looking for what is best for the horse which is always a breath of fresh air.
by army mule ..aqu R4 #6 army gal (5-2) @ 2:13
returns in 6 days and stretches to a mile vs stakes horses..she must really like her
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