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  • mrginandtonic
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    #106
    Originally posted by JBEX
    just pedigree that's all.. and you can't have bad skills relating to things you know nothing about like the things I mentioned earlier ...so at least that's a positive
    Thank you for the encouragement.
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    • JBEX
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      • 01-02-12
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      #107
      Originally posted by mrginandtonic
      Thank you for the encouragement.
      gl with my plays and i'm sure easy will take me up on tracking my plays in this thread..I'm motivated to do well so I can shout from the top of "means nothing mountain"I'M IN THE BLACK".."I'M IN THE BLACK"...just have to decide (if i'm ahead of course ..probably not) when to shout it ..100,200 ,400..ehh see what happens ..lots of time to decide that
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      • Easy-Rider 66
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        #108
        Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
        I will pass on grading this thread. But I will keep open the offer of a contest between you and I starting with Keeneland in OCT. Just the major venues. Small w/p and $1 ex. Max $20/race. We keep it going to one of us realizes we are done and hopelessly behind. What will it prove? Not much except for that period one of us was the better capper. And you can focus on any race you like. I do not care. Think it over. 2 months until Keeneland commences.
        And no Caps on payoffs. True test. I will Grade. All you do is post your action and let chips fall where they do. Think it over and let me know by beginning of OCT.
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        • JBEX
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          #109
          Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
          And no Caps on payoffs. True test. I will Grade. All you do is post your action and let chips fall where they do. Think it over and let me know by beginning of OCT.
          as I said just going to focus on big track maidens from here on out..this is because I feel I understand it better and would like to put more time (if necessary ) on these types of races..no exactas and no variance in amount bet..either 2W ,2WP or 4W..that's it
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          • mrginandtonic
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            #110
            Originally posted by JBEX
            gl with my plays and i'm sure easy will take me up on tracking my plays in this thread..I'm motivated to do well so I can shout from the top of "means nothing mountain"I'M IN THE BLACK".."I'M IN THE BLACK"...just have to decide (if i'm ahead of course ..probably not) when to shout it ..100,200 ,400..ehh see what happens ..lots of time to decide that
            Can’t wait, that means I will be making money. Thanks in advance.
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            • JBEX
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              #111
              Originally posted by mrginandtonic
              Can’t wait, that means I will be making money. Thanks in advance.
              I hope so mgnt..I truly do
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              • Easy-Rider 66
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                #112
                Originally posted by JBEX
                as I said just going to focus on big track maidens from here on out..this is because I feel I understand it better and would like to put more time (if necessary ) on these types of races..no exactas and no variance in amount bet..either 2W ,2WP or 4W..that's it
                I will Pass. EX are a major factor in how I play. In addition, I think it would help mitigate the sample size argument. Anyway, if you change your mind, and would be willing to add a level of difficulty to the equation in EX I am in. If not, GL on your action. And If you do not grade, I would think you should at least give a rundown on how you did.
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                • Easy-Rider 66
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                  #113
                  Originally posted by mrginandtonic
                  Can’t wait, that means I will be making money. Thanks in advance.
                  Hate to break it down for you Mr. G&T, but if you tail JBEX you will lose. LOL. He does not grade or give rundown of his action for a reason. Now in defense of JBEX most players will lose. It's just a question of how much? I would really like JBEX to try and better your performance or even mine. I would like to think an "expert experienced horse player" could better 2 players throwing DARTS. But in reality do not think it would occur. Dart throwing> than experience and knowledge. Why do we all even play this Game?
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                  • JBEX
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                    #114
                    Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                    I will Pass. EX are a major factor in how I play. In addition, I think it would help mitigate the sample size argument. Anyway, if you change your mind, and would be willing to add a level of difficulty to the equation in EX I am in. If not, GL on your action. And If you do not grade, I would think you should at least give a rundown on how you did.
                    do they have exactas in your tournaments ?
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                    • Easy-Rider 66
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by JBEX
                      do they have exactas in your tournaments ?
                      Yes Sir. On Horse Tourneys they have $1 exacta Box contests. You pick 3 horses, and no caps. That's what I would suggest we do. $1 ex box up to 3 horses. Think it over. If you change your mind I will be ready starting with Keeneland meet.
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                      • Easy-Rider 66
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                        #116
                        /4
                        Sat
                        Live
                        Exacta
                        Pool Style
                        WHITNEY DAY FEAT - Up to $1,000 EXACTA BOX (Runs w/ 3) - *LIVE* MTH (7-8), MNR (5-8), SAR (8-11), GP (12-13) - 12 races $58 2 of 20 (Min: 3)
                        Close 3:43 PM EDT
                        Current Pool:
                        $102.66
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                        • JBEX
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                          #117
                          Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                          Yes Sir. On Horse Tourneys they have $1 exacta Box contests. You pick 3 horses, and no caps. That's what I would suggest we do. $1 ex box up to 3 horses. Think it over. If you change your mind I will be ready starting with Keeneland meet.
                          but those are a minority of the offerings .. most of the contests are not exactas right ?
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                          • Easy-Rider 66
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                            #118
                            Originally posted by JBEX
                            but those are a minority of the offerings .. most of the contests are not exactas right ?
                            HT has many different contests. Most are w/p with caps. They have survivor, Some are real time and some are lockdowns where all picks must be put in advance. Head to Heads as well. What's your point? With your experience edge over me, I would think you would jump at the chance to include exactas?
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                            • JBEX
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                              #119
                              Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                              HT has many different contests. Most are w/p with caps. They have survivor, Some are real time and some are lockdowns where all picks must be put in advance. Head to Heads as well. What's your point? With your experience edge over me, I would think you would jump at the chance to include exactas?

                              you're always talking about "the rake" so why would you want to play into these higher take pools..so just picking a winner is no good anymore ?
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                              • Easy-Rider 66
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                                #120
                                And I will add this to the MIX. Since I usually Play in real time I will cap all exacta payoffs for me at $100. For you I will give you $125. Just a little incentive for you to take a shot. I would have a certain advantage by playing real time, but it would be mitigated by a $100 cap. Think it over JBEX. Your knowledge and experience against my Darts. LOL. I admit in that scenario I do not have much to lose. Pressure is on you? LOL.
                                Last edited by Easy-Rider 66; 08-04-18, 08:16 AM.
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                                • Easy-Rider 66
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                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by JBEX
                                  you're always talking about "the rake" so why would you want to play into these higher take pools..so just picking a winner is no good anymore ?
                                  You are copping out JBEX. Why do you even play this game then? Stick to sports then.
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                                  • Easy-Rider 66
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                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by JBEX
                                    you're always talking about "the rake" so why would you want to play into these higher take pools..so just picking a winner is no good anymore ?
                                    And the rake is the same for both of us. I get it JBEX your experience, and Knowledge, systems, and methodology are only valid for picking winners? Shows your limitation as a handicapper. I guess. No worries.
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                                    • Easy-Rider 66
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                                      #123
                                      Guaranteed
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                                      WHITNEY DAY FEAT - $40,000 GUARANTEED With NO LIMIT - PICK & PRAY MTH (7-8), MNR (5-8), SAR (8-11), GP (12-13) - 12 races $280 80 of 180
                                      Close 3:43 PM EDT
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                                      • Easy-Rider 66
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                                        #124
                                        The above contest are where the Sharks are JBEX. Making big Money in this game. Using their experience and knowledge and dart throwing skils to make major scores. Not you and I yet. Maybe one day.
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                                        • JBEX
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                                          #125
                                          Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                          And the rake is the same for both of us. I get it JBEX your experience, and Knowledge, systems, and methodology are only valid for picking winners? Shows your limitation as a handicapper. I guess. No worries.
                                          the exacta remark a little weak I admit although real world you are paying a lot on them and you are constantly harping on that point..but more to the point you just have to get in a contest with me..if I want to monitor my results
                                          in maiden races (which I feel is meaningless for reasons discussed) that's not good enough anymore. .I have to go against you in an exacta format now..I have to keep bending to accommodate you..i'm looking to find a horse or sometimes 2 that I like but I have to play them in an exacta now ..at the end of the day as you will eventually learn it's how good you are at picking winners and these high exacta payoffs come at the expense of more combos to hit them..it's truly ridiculous what you're asking considering I agreed to be monitored
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                                          • Easy-Rider 66
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                                            #126
                                            Originally posted by JBEX
                                            the exacta remark a little weak I admit although real world you are paying a lot on them and you are constantly harping on that point..but more to the point you just have to get in a contest with me..if I want to monitor my results
                                            in maiden races (which I feel is meaningless for reasons discussed) that's not good enough anymore. .I have to go against you in an exacta format now..I have to keep bending to accommodate you..i'm looking to find a horse or sometimes 2 that I like but I have to play them in an exacta now ..at the end of the day as you will eventually learn it's how good you are at picking winners and these high exacta payoffs come at the expense of more combos to hit them..it's truly ridiculous what you're asking considering I agreed to be monitored
                                            OK. Again we Agree to Disagree. GL today.
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                                            • JBEX
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                                              #127
                                              saratoga (know conditions and distance change R2)

                                              R2 #2 brittas bay
                                              R3 #9 preternatural
                                              R6 #3 dark n cloudy
                                              R7 #2 justice of war**
                                              R7 #7 moon colony ½ unit

                                              ** one of those extremely expensive horses relative to pedigree.. 10k stud.. dam a winner and first foal to race . 550k yikes!! my only wish is that it was a fast track...brown and pletcher are #1 and #3 respectively and they both have firsters.. my other would be #7 moon colony a fts for mark casse.. try to beat the dynamic duo and he has tremendous ped credentials also
                                              Last edited by JBEX; 08-04-18, 01:44 PM.
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                                              • JBEX
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                                                #128
                                                added 6 7
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                                                • mrginandtonic
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                                                  #129
                                                  Originally posted by JBEX
                                                  saratoga (know conditions and distance change R2)

                                                  R2 #2 brittas bay
                                                  R3 #9 preternatural
                                                  R6 #3 dark n cloudy
                                                  R7 #2 justice of war**
                                                  R7 #7 moon colony ½ unit

                                                  ** one of those extremely expensive horses relative to pedigree.. 10k stud.. dam a winner and first foal to race . 550k yikes!! my only wish is that it was a fast track...brown and pletcher are #1 and #3 respectively and they both have firsters.. my other would be #7 moon colony a fts for mark casse.. try to beat the dynamic duo and he has tremendous ped credentials also
                                                  On them, thanks.
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                                                  • mrginandtonic
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                                                    #130
                                                    Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                                    Hate to break it down for you Mr. G&T, but if you tail JBEX you will lose. LOL. He does not grade or give rundown of his action for a reason. Now in defense of JBEX most players will lose. It's just a question of how much? I would really like JBEX to try and better your performance or even mine. I would like to think an "expert experienced horse player" could better 2 players throwing DARTS. But in reality do not think it would occur. Dart throwing> than experience and knowledge. Why do we all even play this Game?
                                                    Thanks EZ, but he is the best. Hands down most well rounded horse handicapper. We can't lose. We need to look at it in the long run.
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                                                    • mrginandtonic
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                                                      #131
                                                      BTW, JBEX, just curious, how long do you think I should tail? 1000 plays or 10000 plays or more? Just want to get an idea how much of the bankroll I need. Thanks in advance.
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                                                      • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                        #132
                                                        Originally posted by mrginandtonic
                                                        Thanks EZ, but he is the best. Hands down most well rounded horse handicapper. We can't lose. We need to look at it in the long run.
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                                                        • JBEX
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                                                          #133
                                                          Originally posted by mrginandtonic
                                                          Thanks EZ, but he is the best. Hands down most well rounded horse handicapper. We can't lose. We need to look at it in the long run.

                                                          I know the fundamentals much better than you.. period.. once you get beyond race setup you're lost in the woods
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                                                          • mrginandtonic
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                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by JBEX
                                                            I know the fundamentals much better than you.. period.. once you get beyond race setup you're lost in the woods
                                                            I know and that is why I am following your picks. I need to make money. I don't care if I have any skills or knowledge. All I care is making that money. Thanks for posting for all of us.
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                                                            • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                              #135
                                                              Originally posted by JBEX
                                                              I know the fundamentals much better than you.. period.. once you get beyond race setup you're lost in the woods
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                                                              • JBEX
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                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66

                                                                elaborate?
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                                                                • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                                  #137
                                                                  Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                  elaborate?
                                                                  You know some of the fundamentals better than me. You should as you have many more years of experience. But how do you know you have more than Mr. G&T who has the same if not more years in the game? And do not forget JBEX I asked you about a couple of years ago in the forum if you used pace figures and you said NO. Back then DRF did not have them. Anyway I suggested to you that you use BRIS as I was using them and Timeform back then. Moral of the story is you can always learn in this game even from rookies. NO. Instead of pissing Mr. G&T off try and learn some of his methods. He produces no doubt. All documented.
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                                                                  • JBEX
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                                                                    #138
                                                                    Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                                                    You know some of the fundamentals better than me. You should as you have many more years of experience. But how do you know you have more than Mr. G&T who has the same if not more years in the game? And do not forget JBEX I asked you about a couple of years ago in the forum if you used pace figures and you said NO. Back then DRF did not have them. Anyway I suggested to you that you use BRIS as I was using them and Timeform back then. Moral of the story is you can always learn in this game even from rookies. NO. Instead of pissing Mr. G&T off try and learn some of his methods. He produces no doubt. All documented.

                                                                    there's more to handicapping to me than just race setup and pace advantages.. if he's able to achieve long term good results with his methods more power to him
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                                                                    • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                                      #139
                                                                      Originally posted by JBEX
                                                                      there's more to handicapping to me than just race setup and pace advantages.. if he's able to achieve long term good results with his methods more power to him
                                                                      OK. He produces on the forum. Tracked his action. I give him credit where as you because of sample sizes do not. Each to his own. Again agree to disagree.
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                                                                      • mrginandtonic
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                                                                        #140
                                                                        JBEX, no plays for Del Mar?
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