2018 saratoga and del mar ...just maidens

[mrginandtonic]

just pedigree that's all.. and you can't have bad skills relating to things you know nothing about like the things I mentioned earlier ...so at least that's a positive

Thank you for the encouragement.

[JBEX]

Thank you for the encouragement.

gl with my plays and i'm sure easy will take me up on tracking my plays in this thread..I'm motivated to do well so I can shout from the top of "means nothing mountain"I'M IN THE BLACK".."I'M IN THE BLACK"...just have to decide (if i'm ahead of course ..probably not) when to shout it ..100,200 ,400..ehh see what happens ..lots of time to decide that

[Easy-Rider 66]

I will pass on grading this thread. But I will keep open the offer of a contest between you and I starting with Keeneland in OCT. Just the major venues. Small w/p and $1 ex. Max $20/race. We keep it going to one of us realizes we are done and hopelessly behind. What will it prove? Not much except for that period one of us was the better capper. And you can focus on any race you like. I do not care. Think it over. 2 months until Keeneland commences.

And no Caps on payoffs. True test. I will Grade. All you do is post your action and let chips fall where they do. Think it over and let me know by beginning of OCT.

[JBEX]

And no Caps on payoffs. True test. I will Grade. All you do is post your action and let chips fall where they do. Think it over and let me know by beginning of OCT.

as I said just going to focus on big track maidens from here on out..this is because I feel I understand it better and would like to put more time (if necessary ) on these types of races..no exactas and no variance in amount bet..either 2W ,2WP or 4W..that's it

[mrginandtonic]

gl with my plays and i'm sure easy will take me up on tracking my plays in this thread..I'm motivated to do well so I can shout from the top of "means nothing mountain"I'M IN THE BLACK".."I'M IN THE BLACK"...just have to decide (if i'm ahead of course ..probably not) when to shout it ..100,200 ,400..ehh see what happens ..lots of time to decide that

Can’t wait, that means I will be making money. Thanks in advance.

[JBEX]

Can’t wait, that means I will be making money. Thanks in advance.

I hope so mgnt..I truly do

[Easy-Rider 66]

as I said just going to focus on big track maidens from here on out..this is because I feel I understand it better and would like to put more time (if necessary ) on these types of races..no exactas and no variance in amount bet..either 2W ,2WP or 4W..that's it

I will Pass. EX are a major factor in how I play. In addition, I think it would help mitigate the sample size argument. Anyway, if you change your mind, and would be willing to add a level of difficulty to the equation in EX I am in. If not, GL on your action. And If you do not grade, I would think you should at least give a rundown on how you did.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Can’t wait, that means I will be making money. Thanks in advance.

Hate to break it down for you Mr. G&T, but if you tail JBEX you will lose. LOL. He does not grade or give rundown of his action for a reason. Now in defense of JBEX most players will lose. It's just a question of how much? I would really like JBEX to try and better your performance or even mine. I would like to think an "expert experienced horse player" could better 2 players throwing DARTS. But in reality do not think it would occur. Dart throwing> than experience and knowledge. Why do we all even play this Game?

[JBEX]

I will Pass. EX are a major factor in how I play. In addition, I think it would help mitigate the sample size argument. Anyway, if you change your mind, and would be willing to add a level of difficulty to the equation in EX I am in. If not, GL on your action. And If you do not grade, I would think you should at least give a rundown on how you did.

do they have exactas in your tournaments ?

[Easy-Rider 66]

do they have exactas in your tournaments ?

Yes Sir. On Horse Tourneys they have $1 exacta Box contests. You pick 3 horses, and no caps. That's what I would suggest we do. $1 ex box up to 3 horses. Think it over. If you change your mind I will be ready starting with Keeneland meet.

[Easy-Rider 66]

/4 Sat Live

Exacta Pool Style

WHITNEY DAY FEAT - Up to $1,000 EXACTA BOX (Runs w/ 3) - *LIVE* MTH (7-8), MNR (5-8), SAR (8-11), GP (12-13) - 12 races

$58

2 of 20 (Min: 3) Close 3:43 PM EDT

Current Pool: $102.66

[JBEX]

Yes Sir. On Horse Tourneys they have $1 exacta Box contests. You pick 3 horses, and no caps. That's what I would suggest we do. $1 ex box up to 3 horses. Think it over. If you change your mind I will be ready starting with Keeneland meet.

but those are a minority of the offerings .. most of the contests are not exactas right ?

[Easy-Rider 66]

but those are a minority of the offerings .. most of the contests are not exactas right ?

HT has many different contests. Most are w/p with caps. They have survivor, Some are real time and some are lockdowns where all picks must be put in advance. Head to Heads as well. What's your point? With your experience edge over me, I would think you would jump at the chance to include exactas?

[JBEX]

HT has many different contests. Most are w/p with caps. They have survivor, Some are real time and some are lockdowns where all picks must be put in advance. Head to Heads as well. What's your point? With your experience edge over me, I would think you would jump at the chance to include exactas?

you're always talking about "the rake" so why would you want to play into these higher take pools..so just picking a winner is no good anymore ?

[Easy-Rider 66]

And I will add this to the MIX. Since I usually Play in real time I will cap all exacta payoffs for me at $100. For you I will give you $125. Just a little incentive for you to take a shot. I would have a certain advantage by playing real time, but it would be mitigated by a $100 cap. Think it over JBEX. Your knowledge and experience against my Darts. LOL. I admit in that scenario I do not have much to lose. Pressure is on you? LOL.

[Easy-Rider 66]

you're always talking about "the rake" so why would you want to play into these higher take pools..so just picking a winner is no good anymore ?

You are copping out JBEX. Why do you even play this game then? Stick to sports then.

[Easy-Rider 66]

you're always talking about "the rake" so why would you want to play into these higher take pools..so just picking a winner is no good anymore ?

And the rake is the same for both of us. I get it JBEX your experience, and Knowledge, systems, and methodology are only valid for picking winners? Shows your limitation as a handicapper. I guess. No worries.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Guaranteed Pool Style

WHITNEY DAY FEAT - $40,000 GUARANTEED With NO LIMIT - PICK & PRAY MTH (7-8), MNR (5-8), SAR (8-11), GP (12-13) - 12 races

$280

80 of 180 Close 3:43 PM EDT

[Easy-Rider 66]

The above contest are where the Sharks are JBEX. Making big Money in this game. Using their experience and knowledge and dart throwing skils to make major scores. Not you and I yet. Maybe one day.

[JBEX]

And the rake is the same for both of us. I get it JBEX your experience, and Knowledge, systems, and methodology are only valid for picking winners? Shows your limitation as a handicapper. I guess. No worries.

the exacta remark a little weak I admit although real world you are paying a lot on them and you are constantly harping on that point..but more to the point you just have to get in a contest with me..if I want to monitor my results
in maiden races (which I feel is meaningless for reasons discussed) that's not good enough anymore. .I have to go against you in an exacta format now..I have to keep bending to accommodate you..i'm looking to find a horse or sometimes 2 that I like but I have to play them in an exacta now ..at the end of the day as you will eventually learn it's how good you are at picking winners and these high exacta payoffs come at the expense of more combos to hit them..it's truly ridiculous what you're asking considering I agreed to be monitored

[Easy-Rider 66]

the exacta remark a little weak I admit although real world you are paying a lot on them and you are constantly harping on that point..but more to the point you just have to get in a contest with me..if I want to monitor my results
in maiden races (which I feel is meaningless for reasons discussed) that's not good enough anymore. .I have to go against you in an exacta format now..I have to keep bending to accommodate you..i'm looking to find a horse or sometimes 2 that I like but I have to play them in an exacta now ..at the end of the day as you will eventually learn it's how good you are at picking winners and these high exacta payoffs come at the expense of more combos to hit them..it's truly ridiculous what you're asking considering I agreed to be monitored

OK. Again we Agree to Disagree. GL today.

[JBEX]

saratoga (know conditions and distance change R2)

R2 #2 brittas bay
R3 #9 preternatural
R6 #3 dark n cloudy
R7 #2 justice of war**
R7 #7 moon colony ½ unit

** one of those extremely expensive horses relative to pedigree.. 10k stud.. dam a winner and first foal to race . 550k yikes!! my only wish is that it was a fast track...brown and pletcher are #1 and #3 respectively and they both have firsters.. my other would be #7 moon colony a fts for mark casse.. try to beat the dynamic duo and he has tremendous ped credentials also

[JBEX]

added 6 7

[mrginandtonic]

saratoga (know conditions and distance change R2)

R2 #2 brittas bay
R3 #9 preternatural
R6 #3 dark n cloudy
R7 #2 justice of war**
R7 #7 moon colony ½ unit

** one of those extremely expensive horses relative to pedigree.. 10k stud.. dam a winner and first foal to race . 550k yikes!! my only wish is that it was a fast track...brown and pletcher are #1 and #3 respectively and they both have firsters.. my other would be #7 moon colony a fts for mark casse.. try to beat the dynamic duo and he has tremendous ped credentials also

On them, thanks.

[mrginandtonic]

Hate to break it down for you Mr. G&T, but if you tail JBEX you will lose. LOL. He does not grade or give rundown of his action for a reason. Now in defense of JBEX most players will lose. It's just a question of how much? I would really like JBEX to try and better your performance or even mine. I would like to think an "expert experienced horse player" could better 2 players throwing DARTS. But in reality do not think it would occur. Dart throwing> than experience and knowledge. Why do we all even play this Game?

Thanks EZ, but he is the best. Hands down most well rounded horse handicapper. We can't lose. We need to look at it in the long run.

[mrginandtonic]

BTW, JBEX, just curious, how long do you think I should tail? 1000 plays or 10000 plays or more? Just want to get an idea how much of the bankroll I need. Thanks in advance.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Thanks EZ, but he is the best. Hands down most well rounded horse handicapper. We can't lose. We need to look at it in the long run.

[JBEX]

Thanks EZ, but he is the best. Hands down most well rounded horse handicapper. We can't lose. We need to look at it in the long run.

I know the fundamentals much better than you.. period.. once you get beyond race setup you're lost in the woods

[mrginandtonic]

I know the fundamentals much better than you.. period.. once you get beyond race setup you're lost in the woods

I know and that is why I am following your picks. I need to make money. I don't care if I have any skills or knowledge. All I care is making that money. Thanks for posting for all of us.

[Easy-Rider 66]

I know the fundamentals much better than you.. period.. once you get beyond race setup you're lost in the woods

[JBEX]

elaborate?

[Easy-Rider 66]

elaborate?

You know some of the fundamentals better than me. You should as you have many more years of experience. But how do you know you have more than Mr. G&T who has the same if not more years in the game? And do not forget JBEX I asked you about a couple of years ago in the forum if you used pace figures and you said NO. Back then DRF did not have them. Anyway I suggested to you that you use BRIS as I was using them and Timeform back then. Moral of the story is you can always learn in this game even from rookies. NO. Instead of pissing Mr. G&T off try and learn some of his methods. He produces no doubt. All documented.

[JBEX]

You know some of the fundamentals better than me. You should as you have many more years of experience. But how do you know you have more than Mr. G&T who has the same if not more years in the game? And do not forget JBEX I asked you about a couple of years ago in the forum if you used pace figures and you said NO. Back then DRF did not have them. Anyway I suggested to you that you use BRIS as I was using them and Timeform back then. Moral of the story is you can always learn in this game even from rookies. NO. Instead of pissing Mr. G&T off try and learn some of his methods. He produces no doubt. All documented.

there's more to handicapping to me than just race setup and pace advantages.. if he's able to achieve long term good results with his methods more power to him

[Easy-Rider 66]

there's more to handicapping to me than just race setup and pace advantages.. if he's able to achieve long term good results with his methods more power to him

OK. He produces on the forum. Tracked his action. I give him credit where as you because of sample sizes do not. Each to his own. Again agree to disagree.

[mrginandtonic]

JBEX, no plays for Del Mar?