JBEX or mikemca

**mikemca** · 02-10-17, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

what i learned today is .....that japan has racing in the morning..........but did you guys see the pools how much money is in there ....5 million in the win pool alone...what is it ky derby day there everyday

Originally posted by JBEX

5 million yen = $45, 000

Pretty sure that's American Dollars. It is almost Kentucky derby day every day there . Horse racing is one of the most popular sports in the country.

Average wagering in Hong Kong is $162 million per day (USD) per

paulickreport.com

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/hong-kong-officials-predicting-handle-decline-in-2016/

Japan is gaining popularity too
The average daily on-course attendance of 21,494 wagered a daily average ¥8.3 billion ($83 million).

**Team Taylor** · 02-12-17, 03:20 PM

Ok there are no dumb questions but here is a dumb question. When watching the races on TVG, in the upper left hand corner is a board. It shows the race, minutes to post and then three columns. One is post position and the next is odds and then there is a white column with black numbers that looks like it says EX or something and then a number or a dash. What is this third column?

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-12-17, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Ok there are no dumb questions but here is a dumb question. When watching the races on TVG, in the upper left hand corner is a board. It shows the race, minutes to post and then three columns. One is post position and the next is odds and then there is a white column with black numbers that looks like it says EX or something and then a number or a dash. What is this third column?

That is the exacta Payoffs. When you bet on a horse finishing first and another horse finishing second.

**Team Taylor** · 02-12-17, 03:58 PM

Thanks Easy. What is that beside the EX though? Is that a number? Either my 48 inch led tv is crap or my eyes are not what they used to be. Wonder which one?

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-12-17, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Thanks Easy. What is that beside the EX though? Is that a number? Either my 48 inch led tv is crap or my eyes are not what they used to be. Wonder which one?

That is the number of the horse you are playing to win. Then you look at the tote board and see the corresponding monies if you pick the correct horse second. Hope that explains. If not hit me back.

**JBEX** · 02-12-17, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by mikemca

Pretty sure that's American Dollars. It is almost Kentucky derby day every day there . Horse racing is one of the most popular sports in the country.

Average wagering in Hong Kong is $162 million per day (USD) per

paulickreport.com

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/hong-kong-officials-predicting-handle-decline-in-2016/

Japan is gaining popularity too
The average daily on-course attendance of 21,494 wagered a daily average ¥8.3 billion ($83 million).

always figured that was in their own currency.. 162 million USD a card and Japan around half that...impressive to say the least .. always was unclear about that.. thanks

**JBEX** · 02-12-17, 05:20 PM

guessing the TVG free pp's aren't the only ones available for the asian tracks.. does timeform get involved with them?

**Team Taylor** · 02-12-17, 05:36 PM

Thanks Easy. Got it. JBEX do you like the TVG PP's for US races better than the Brisnet Premiums? If you make a minimum bet they're free.

**JBEX** · 02-12-17, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Thanks Easy. Got it. JBEX do you like the TVG PP's for US races better than the Brisnet Premiums? If you make a minimum bet they're free.

I wasn't even aware tvg offered free pp's.. I don't bet there at all and just use to watch races when I'm out and about
..premiums are good enough for me..wouldn't want less info than they have and they're cheap enough

**Team Taylor** · 02-12-17, 06:22 PM

Here is part of it....

TVG Full PPsTVG Basic PPs
TVG Watch and Wager PPs
TimeformUS PPs (Single track & day pass)

You must wager AT LEAST $2 on the track card you purchased or $10 on any track if you purchased the TimeformUS Daily Pass.

**JBEX** · 02-12-17, 06:42 PM

I'm guessing they're not as good as brisnet premium (not including timeform)..my TVG account $0.00 so can't look.. I think timeform a great,innovative product but as I've said the premium's work for me

**Team Taylor** · 02-18-17, 06:12 PM

Grinning from ear to ear. I picked 7 winners out of 12 today at Gulfstream!!! I know....a broke clock is right two times a day but still I'm tickled to death. Maybe you guys can teach an old dog new tricks. Full disclosure though. I did pick the winners but I'm still not confident in myself so I only bet them to place or show

but I feel like I'm learning the basics from you guys. Again thanks for the continuing education.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-18-17, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Grinning from ear to ear. I picked 7 winners out of 12 today at Gulfstream!!! I know....a broke clock is right two times a day but still I'm tickled to death. Maybe you guys can teach an old dog new tricks. Full disclosure though. I did pick the winners but I'm still not confident in myself so I only bet them to place or show

but I feel like I'm learning the basics from you guys. Again thanks for the continuing education.

Good deal. That is impressive no doubt. GL moving forward.

**JBEX** · 02-18-17, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Grinning from ear to ear. I picked 7 winners out of 12 today at Gulfstream!!! I know....a broke clock is right two times a day but still I'm tickled to death. Maybe you guys can teach an old dog new tricks. Full disclosure though. I did pick the winners but I'm still not confident in myself so I only bet them to place or show

but I feel like I'm learning the basics from you guys. Again thanks for the continuing education.

nice job but place and show no good..win and place what you should be doing whether you had a bad day or good one..the key is to bet an amount that you're comfortable with so you can withstand losing streaks cause they're inevitable doing this ..when you win you can make up for a lot of bad days in a hurry..it's a marathon not a sprint and you should worry less about daily results and more about long haul good results ..that's the mentality you need and imo the long term chase is the best part of this game..bad day today fine..back tomorrow. .another bad day ..back tomorrow ..the good days will happen

**Team Taylor** · 02-19-17, 07:55 AM

Thanks guys. Yes JBEX when I went back thru and looked at the difference in the payouts that was a big difference. Ok another dumb question. You can bet Win and you can bet Place but there is another choice of a Win/Place. Difference?

Here's another one and I guess this will have many answers. You have a turf race and in the field you have one horse that's always ran dirt or vice versa. How do you look at or compare pace figures? That's not apples to apples is it?

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-19-17, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Thanks guys. Yes JBEX when I went back thru and looked at the difference in the payouts that was a big difference. Ok another dumb question. You can bet Win and you can bet Place but there is another choice of a Win/Place. Difference?

Here's another one and I guess this will have many answers. You have a turf race and in the field you have one horse that's always ran dirt or vice versa. How do you look at or compare pace figures? That's not apples to apples is it?

Probably a good question to ask STR in his thread. As for your 1st question not sure what you mean. You can always bet w/p on any given horse.

**Team Taylor** · 02-19-17, 09:39 AM

If you bet 2.00 on a horse to win/show would it pay the same as 1.00 on the same horse to win and 1.00 on the same horse to show or is the payout different? Or do you take the same horse to win and show or should it be two different horses? Again I may not be asking what I'm trying to ask. I'm about to confuse myself I think.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-19-17, 10:01 AM

They are separate wagers. So if you bet $2 to win and $2 to show you get the corresponding payouts for each based on a $2 wager.

**JBEX** · 02-19-17, 10:23 AM

on the second question I don't use pace figures in those situations..I use pedigree and trainer stats more or less
.if I'm playing a dirt horse trying turf for the first time I want the dirt form to be average or below average..to me it's too easy to play good form on dirt and then it'll hold on the turf..I'm looking for a wake up call more or less. .do good form on dirt horses win in those situations..of course and I may play them once in a while but in general not what i'm looking for

**Team Taylor** · 02-19-17, 03:46 PM

Holy crap. I picked Foxy Joxy at Gulfstream race 8. 3.00 bet at 50 to 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Team Taylor** · 02-19-17, 03:47 PM

I think I'll quit

**JBEX** · 02-19-17, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

I think I'll quit

nobody quits after a $100 horse even though for practical purposes not the worst idea

**Team Taylor** · 02-19-17, 05:03 PM

Glad we had the chat about not betting show. I would have been disappointed! Kinda like not playing max bet on slot machine and hitting jackpot.

**JBEX** · 02-19-17, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Glad we had the chat about not betting show. I would have been disappointed! Kinda like not playing max bet on slot machine and hitting jackpot.

one other thing I think is worth mentioning at this point is
you should not have as much to win on a horse like that vs say a 5 or 10-1..you are going to hit the lower odds much more frequenty and you're bet amount should reflect that.. $3 on a 50-1.. $10 on a 10-1.. $15 on a 5-1..figures are off the top of my head but in general that's what I would recommend

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-20-17, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by JBEX

one other thing I think is worth mentioning at this point is
you should not have as much to win on a horse like that vs say a 5 or 10-1..you are going to hit the lower odds much more frequenty and you're bet amount should reflect that.. $3 on a 50-1.. $10 on a 10-1.. $15 on a 5-1..figures are off the top of my head but in general that's what I would recommend

Understand what you are stating JBEX. But if Taylor has a small bankroll (Which I assume he does) to go a lot heavier on lower priced horses is not practical imo. I would not worry too much about bankroll mgt at this point. Keep it small, have some fun, and stay in the learning mode.

**JBEX** · 02-20-17, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66

Understand what you are stating JBEX. But if Taylor has a small bankroll (Which I assume he does) to go a lot heavier on lower priced horses is not practical imo. I would not worry too much about bankroll mgt at this point. Keep it small, have some fun, and stay in the learning mode.

even at this stage of the game with a small bankroll you should be aware of this ..if your max win bet is say $5 I would not bet horses with higher odds than 20-1.. you're eating too much into the profits of the $5 win's on 3-1's and the $3 win's on 10-1's..if 10 is your max win bet 2-3 win on a 50-1 ok but if max is less no good

**Team Taylor** · 02-20-17, 06:53 AM

Appreciate both comments. I am actually a very tight conservative player when I go to the casino. I can walk from a craps table after two or three tosses and it doesn't bother me. I have preset bet limits and win/loss limits as well. JBEX actually addressed something I was wondering about. Seems like you can lower your "at risk" total by adjusting bets based on odds. I'll certainly keep that in mind. With that said, Easy your on the money also. I was thinking about maybe a 2.00, 3.00 and 5.00 limit based on odds but yes....Keep it small for now. No 15.00 wagers for me just yet. Maybe never

This is a low budget production right now. Thanks for the input from both.

**JBEX** · 02-20-17, 07:12 AM

I've mentioned this before on here but there's a simple formula called the kelly criterion that applies to this..

%bet =edge/odds

assuming your edge is the same at all odds levels (which is not exactly true but good enought for this example ) than as the odds go up your % bet goes down..not saying you need to apply this now but just understand the concept for the long haul..even if you have no edge yet you have to bet size right at some point ..I know you hit the big price horse yesterday but in theory if your max bet is $5 win i'd stay away from 20-1+ horses..they'll eat too much into your reasonable $8-$20 horses ..jmo

**Team Taylor** · 02-23-17, 08:38 PM

If you have two horses in the same race that you feel confident in but can't pick one over the other and one is 15-1 and the other is 7-2. What's the proper way or your way to bet? Keep digging and force yourself to pick one? Bet both? Pass on the race?

**JBEX** · 02-23-17, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

If you have two horses in the same race that you feel confident in but can't pick one over the other and one is 15-1 and the other is 7-2. What's the proper way or your way to bet? Keep digging and force yourself to pick one? Bet both? Pass on the race?

really depends on how strong you feel about each one.. I'd say either only bet the 7-2 10wp or 15-15w... 7-2 5w using the latter as a hedge.. I wouldn't want to go 15w 7-2 5w 15-1 cause then it's kind of a bittersweet hit if the higher odds hit IMO.. don't like using the longie as a hedge

**Team Taylor** · 03-05-17, 06:44 AM

Only needed Irish War Cry for a pick 6 yesterday at Gulf Stream! Last race, How could that horse lose? The sure thing is there are no sure things!

**Easy-Rider 66** · 03-05-17, 02:52 PM

Good job. Surprised you are already playing pick 6's so early in your horse race betting career.. They are tough to hit.

**Team Taylor** · 03-05-17, 03:02 PM

That was wife ordered

I stray with an exotic once in a while but when I do I can see JBEX glaring at me thru my computer and then I get back in line! I'm still at my 2.00 w/p still learning.

**JBEX** · 03-05-17, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

That was wife ordered

I stray with an exotic once in a while but when I do I can see JBEX glaring at me thru my computer and then I get back in line! I'm still at my 2.00 w/p still learning.

the pick 6 is different at gulfstream tt..you know what the difference is?

**Team Taylor** · 03-05-17, 04:33 PM

Other than costing me 10.80 instead of 2.00....no