JBEX or mikemca

**Team Taylor** · 01-14-17, 09:53 AM

Yes. Trying to decipher the PP's. I go back, look and compare. You can see differences but learning what the differences actually mean is the trick. Just news about horse racing in general. I'll take a look at Bloodhorse.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 01-15-17, 08:22 AM

Horseracingnation is another good site to check out for news and what is going on.

**mikemca** · 01-18-17, 02:26 PM

I use Timeformus for USA racing and Timeform for racing in Europe/Ireland/Dubai. Imo Timeformus is head and shoulders above the rest of american pps because of the quality of their pace figures . I believe pace figs are perhaps the most important piece of information because in my process it is the foundation off which I build the case for each horse. When layering on top their speed figure, where they were in relation to the leader, whether they closed or faded, etc.. All can be magnified or minimized based on what the pace was.

**Team Taylor** · 01-18-17, 09:03 PM

Thanks for the info. I'll take a look. Had my nose buried in my book and still learning pp's. A lot to learn but this is fun. While I'm here I'll ask another opinion. Read an article where the strategy was to handicap the first three starting positions only. If your horse pick is not starting 1,2 or 3 your odds are worse. That doesn't go along with what I've been witnessing while watching TVG. I've seen outside blow out the first three. Thoughts?

**JBEX** · 01-18-17, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Thanks for the info. I'll take a look. Had my nose buried in my book and still learning pp's. A lot to learn but this is fun. While I'm here I'll ask another opinion. Read an article where the strategy was to handicap the first three starting positions only. If your horse pick is not starting 1,2 or 3 your odds are worse. That doesn't go along with what I've been witnessing while watching TVG. I've seen outside blow out the first three. Thoughts?

sometimes there's a bias towards the inside posts but not always..not really a big part of my game but don't agree with that strategy at all..middle and outside posts win there share of races maybe with the exception of 9 or 10 and further out..just speaking in general terms of course

**brucedenton** · 01-19-17, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by JBEX

I think it couldn't hurt to read through the whole book but it covers a lot of material..Think it's almost a better reference than a read straight through but definitely good to have and you'll learn a lot from it over time..getting a good feel of the past performances probably most important to begin with..not even to form opinions right away but to just understand what they mean..over lots of time you'll find things of meaning to you that might mean less to someone else which is fine..just be flexible as to the conclusions you come to early on as they will probably change as time goes by and you understand things better

far as news sources are you talking past performances or just general news about the game? I admittedly don't follow news about the game very much and just do the handicapping..I use brisnet premium for $1/day for pp's

Hi JBEX!! Where do you get Brisnet premium for $1 a day??
I really like the Brisnet Ultimate pps with comments but they're pricey.

**brucedenton** · 01-19-17, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by mikemca

I use Timeformus for USA racing and Timeform for racing in Europe/Ireland/Dubai. Imo Timeformus is head and shoulders above the rest of american pps because of the quality of their pace figures . I believe pace figs are perhaps the most important piece of information because in my process it is the foundation off which I build the case for each horse. When layering on top their speed figure, where they were in relation to the leader, whether they closed or faded, etc.. All can be magnified or minimized based on what the pace was.

So true Mike.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 01-19-17, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by brucedenton

Hi JBEX!! Where do you get Brisnet premium for $1 a day??
I really like the Brisnet Ultimate pps with comments but they're pricey.

The Brisnet website sells them. The premium not as good as the Ultimate imo but for $1 a day it's a good deal. Includes Pace figures.

**JBEX** · 01-19-17, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by brucedenton

Hi JBEX!! Where do you get Brisnet premium for $1 a day??
I really like the Brisnet Ultimate pps with comments but they're pricey.

hey bruce..on their site brisnet.com $1/each..
I like the bias info with the ultimates but overall it's more than I need..I like the flow of having all the pp lines close together rather than all that info in between..aesthetically unappealing to me

**Team Taylor** · 01-20-17, 02:21 PM

Do any of you guys use any of the free software from Brisnet or similar to view the PP's? Any preference?

**Easy-Rider 66** · 01-20-17, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Do any of you guys use any of the free software from Brisnet or similar to view the PP's? Any preference?

I have never used the software from Brisnet and not sure what it entails. May have to check it some day.

**JBEX** · 01-20-17, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Do any of you guys use any of the free software from Brisnet or similar to view the PP's? Any preference?

never have used software but wouldn't argue with anyone who did.. I'm sure there's people who do very well with it but I like the human element.. assimilating the info and making decisions based on criteria that you find valuable.. that's the joy of it to me

**Team Taylor** · 01-21-17, 05:48 PM

I tried it but I like the paper in my hand so I can shuffle and use a pencil

Another question. How long does it take you to make your pick for each race once you start your process. How much time do you spend looking at a PP for one race? Talking general terms. Thanks again guys.

**JBEX** · 01-21-17, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

I tried it but I like the paper in my hand so I can shuffle and use a pencil

Another question. How long does it take you to make your pick for each race once you start your process. How much time do you spend looking at a PP for one race? Talking general terms. Thanks again guys.

I prefer paper myself but usually just viewing them on a tablet. .how long can be anywhere from 30 seconds up to about 15 minutes for me ..bad sign when I look at them that long. .the sweet spot for me would be 3-5 minutes if I had to guess..depends on how well I feel I understand the race and whether I feel there's any edge for me..it's not a black and white decision half the time at least and that's what makes it challenging

**Team Taylor** · 01-21-17, 07:49 PM

I guess I need a follow up to that. Do you only look for one horse for a single bet or do you look at ...for instance... something happens and my pick scratches so I'll go with this one? I may not be asking what I'm trying to.

**JBEX** · 01-21-17, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

I guess I need a follow up to that. Do you only look for one horse for a single bet or do you look at ...for instance... something happens and my pick scratches so I'll go with this one? I may not be asking what I'm trying to.

it doesn't happen often enough once I've made my choice..sometimes I'll pass other times see if I like another. .don't feel like I have to play the race because I made a pick that I later found out was scratched

**Team Taylor** · 01-22-17, 08:14 AM

That's one reason why I started this conversation!! For tidbits like this. As elementary as your statement might sound to some (don't feel like I have to play the race because I made a pick that I later found out was scratched) that speaks volumes to me. I mean yea I know the statement is true but it's not something that I was keeping in the forefront. Still learning. Thanks again.

**Team Taylor** · 01-22-17, 08:16 AM

Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The video in STR's thread of the horse running behind the starting gate. Unreal.

**JBEX** · 01-23-17, 03:40 PM

on a typical card for me ..

1-2 really like
2-4 avg opinion
2-3 probably lose long haul
1-2 won't bother

**Easy-Rider 66** · 01-25-17, 11:52 AM

Hey Taylor: I understand you have been checking out STR's thread. If you have not done so check out page #40 starting with post #1366 and read that page if you get a chance. STR talks about the clean right eye factor and how it affects a race. You will find it useful. GL.

**Team Taylor** · 01-25-17, 03:32 PM

Yes what a good read. I actually copied and pasted several things into a word document that stuck in my mind for further review and reference and that was one of the things I saved. Still learning and enjoying!
Gulfstream Park Saturday. Race 1. Give me some feed back on Bull Dozer. That would be my pick.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 01-26-17, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Yes what a good read. I actually copied and pasted several things into a word document that stuck in my mind for further review and reference and that was one of the things I saved. Still learning and enjoying!
Gulfstream Park Saturday. Race 1. Give me some feed back on Bull Dozer. That would be my pick.

Checked out the PP's for that race. Tough choices to make. Evenly matched field imo. Bull Dozer looks like he has a shot. 12/1 on ML so you might get a price if you play him. Might make a play that race but will decide closer to post.

**Team Taylor** · 01-28-17, 06:47 PM

Ok. All input appreciated. Take a look at the losers and tell me what I missed.
Gulf Stream Park 1/28
Race 1 #7 Bulldozer Lost
Race 2 #2 Grateful Lost
Race 3 #8 Linda Linda Lost
Race 4 #6 Bogulator WON
Race 5 #1 Mylute Lost
Race 6 #9 Don't Overlook Lost
Race 7 #10 Triple Chelsea Lost
Race 8 #1 Borsavento WON
Race 9 #9 Pay any Price Lost
Race 10 #6 Promotional Lost
Race 11 #1 Taghleev WON
Race 12 #4 Noble Bird Lost #7 Shamen Ghost Lost

Any pointers will help! thanks

**JBEX** · 01-28-17, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Ok. All input appreciated. Take a look at the losers and tell me what I missed.
Gulf Stream Park 1/28
Race 1 #7 Bulldozer Lost
Race 2 #2 Grateful Lost
Race 3 #8 Linda Linda Lost
Race 4 #6 Bogulator WON
Race 5 #1 Mylute Lost
Race 6 #9 Don't Overlook Lost
Race 7 #10 Triple Chelsea Lost
Race 8 #1 Borsavento WON
Race 9 #9 Pay any Price Lost
Race 10 #6 Promotional Lost
Race 11 #1 Taghleev WON
Race 12 #4 Noble Bird Lost #7 Shamen Ghost Lost

Any pointers will help! thanks

tt..the best horseplayers will lose 4-5 out of 6 races on average.. I've lost every race on a card many times (especially lately)
..you can't weigh things on a daily basis with this game..is bryce harper a bad hitter if he goes 1/8 over 2 days..along those lines

**Team Taylor** · 01-29-17, 09:20 AM

Understand. I guess I was looking for anything very obvious that I overlooked. I'm with you on learning over long term. The obvious is what I'm getting at. Something like "nobody in their right mind would have bet that horse because....." type thing. I guess it truly is "any given day". Again I appreciate all you guys. I try to choose my mentors carefully.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 01-29-17, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Understand. I guess I was looking for anything very obvious that I overlooked. I'm with you on learning over long term. The obvious is what I'm getting at. Something like "nobody in their right mind would have bet that horse because....." type thing. I guess it truly is "any given day". Again I appreciate all you guys. I try to choose my mentors carefully.

The thing you have to keep in mind is that Capping horses is a very subjective exercise. Put 10 handicappers in a room for a field of 10 and you may find each player on a different horse. Experience is valuable and studying the past performances after the race is completed can help a great deal. It's a real tough game to beat. IMO most do not. You can also subscribe to a service like the West Coast Handicapping Report and learn from the way they cap.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-08-17, 07:20 AM

Hey Taylor: Have you been playing the Horses? Any winners? One thing about this game one can learn something new every day.

**harthebar** · 02-08-17, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66

Hey Taylor: Have you been playing the Horses? Any winners? One thing about this game one can learn something new every day.

what i learned today is .....that japan has racing in the morning..........but did you guys see the pools how much money is in there ....5 million in the win pool alone...what is it ky derby day there everyday

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-08-17, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by harthebar

what i learned today is .....that japan has racing in the morning..........but did you guys see the pools how much money is in there ....5 million in the win pool alone...what is it ky derby day there everyday

A lot of coins. Racing must be popular over in Japan.

**JBEX** · 02-08-17, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

what i learned today is .....that japan has racing in the morning..........but did you guys see the pools how much money is in there ....5 million in the win pool alone...what is it ky derby day there everyday

5 million yen = $45, 000

**harthebar** · 02-08-17, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by JBEX

5 million yen = $45, 000

ha ha yen i was looking into there betting....thats why it only let you play for 1.30 ????
thanks

**JBEX** · 02-08-17, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

ha ha yen i was looking into there betting....thats why it only let you play for 1.30 ????
thanks

it says 111 yen/dollar ..that being said I'm surprised it's that low a number in a big market like Japan. .would think their major venues would draw bigger handles ..somethings not right here

**Team Taylor** · 02-09-17, 05:43 PM

Sorry for the delay. Yes yes yes. We played every race last Saturday at Gulfstream for 2.00 each race and came out with a profit of 5.75.

Had a great time and still learning. After the races I got the call sheets and went back thru and then I go back and read what you guys have posted. Still re-read STR's thread as well as the book JBEX recommended. Then I go back thru the PP's and see if there was something I missed or was just horses being horses. Really enjoy this and you guys are awesome for helping. And yes I did a double take when I thought I saw JBEX betting Japan

**JBEX** · 02-09-17, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Sorry for the delay. Yes yes yes. We played every race last Saturday at Gulfstream for 2.00 each race and came out with a profit of 5.75.

Had a great time and still learning. After the races I got the call sheets and went back thru and then I go back and read what you guys have posted. Still re-read STR's thread as well as the book JBEX recommended. Then I go back thru the PP's and see if there was something I missed or was just horses being horses. Really enjoy this and you guys are awesome for helping. And yes I did a double take when I thought I saw JBEX betting Japan

glad your enjoying learning it tt and as been mentioned before. .no matter how long you've been playing you can always add something new to your arsenal or adust something a bit that you've been doing for a while..take it slow and over time you'll develop a feel for things..when you go over races that you didn't hit (a great way to learn)
don't do it with the attitude why didn't I play the winner..try to understand some of the positives of the winner and maybe over time you'll make some adjustments to look for those factors. .I think over time the idea is to understand why you liked the horse you did rather than why didn't I play the winner..it's an illusion that a horse had to be played as you usually can make some case for 3-5 horses in most races

I was playing hong kong (sha tin) that night. .they have free pp's at tvg..they're a little different than our pp's but enough info for me.enjoy trying something different but the hours are a killer

**Easy-Rider 66** · 02-10-17, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Team Taylor

Sorry for the delay. Yes yes yes. We played every race last Saturday at Gulfstream for 2.00 each race and came out with a profit of 5.75.

Had a great time and still learning. After the races I got the call sheets and went back thru and then I go back and read what you guys have posted. Still re-read STR's thread as well as the book JBEX recommended. Then I go back thru the PP's and see if there was something I missed or was just horses being horses. Really enjoy this and you guys are awesome for helping. And yes I did a double take when I thought I saw JBEX betting Japan

Sounds like you are enjoying your experience into the land of Horse racing. Good deal. That's the key. Have fun and do not get hurt Money wise. And yeah keep studying those Past performances. GL.