[rthoughton]

The answer I was looking for is, "he is not good enough." haha.
If astrology was worth anything he would have been in that race.

[BGboothA]

I loved Astrology in the Preakness, he shouldn't even run in the Belmont. The Belmont will be Mucho Mucho Man's race to lose IMO

[gtkid911]

Heard Baffert is gearing to run some west coast invaders who got injured. Might have to look that way towards the fresh horses

[foryourhandicap]

Heard Baffert is gearing to run some west coast invaders who got injured. Might have to look that way towards the fresh horses

Apparently they are Awesome Patriot and Uncle Sam. I'll pass.

[AlexanderNehro]

@dise-pa: Prime Cut for Long Shot bet (2nd and 3rd last time out). If Master of Hounds is around 10-1 or so that is a good price as well.

Nehro->Animal Kingdom/MMM->Prime Cut/MOH/MMM->Shack

[rthoughton]

Nehro! Nehro! Haha. Maybe we'll get that epic close I keep talking about for once.

[callmejrk1]

love the to here there is no reason to like a horse and then they win

[rthoughton]

What?

[rthoughton]

Any news yet out there?

[zebra58]

I loved Astrology in the Preakness, he shouldn't even run in the Belmont. The Belmont will be Mucho Mucho Man's race to lose IMO

use caution with muchomachoman has no room to improve he has more starts than many & stamina doubtful in bloodlines, i think he's a cut below the these & guessing they will skip the belmont, just my thoughts & i'm wrong many times a day good luck though

[AlexanderNehro]

Nothing set yet. I did see that the biggest field they can put in is 16 horses, which to me is an insanely huge Belmont field. I'd prefer 12 at the most.

[zebra58]

master of hounds & santiva my 2 derby plays both ran decent, must use both in exotics

[AlexanderNehro]

Belmont Stakes probable starters:
Horse Trainer Last start
Alternation Donnie Von Hemel 1st - Peter Pan
Animal Kingdom Graham Motion 2nd - Preakness
Brilliant Speed Tom Albertrani 7th - Ky. Derby
Master of Hounds Aidan O'Brien 5th - Ky. Derby
Monzon Ignacio Correas IV 6th - Peter Pan
Mucho Macho Man Kathy Ritvo 6th - Preakness
Nehro Steve Asmussen 2nd - Ky. Derby
Prime Cut Neil Howard 3rd - Peter Pan
Ruler On Ice Kelly Breen 2nd - Federico Tesio
Santiva Eddie Kenneally 6th - Ky. Derby
Shackleford Dale Romans 1st - Preakness
Stay Thirsty Todd Pletcher 12th - Ky. Derby
Possibles:
Awesome Patriot Bob Baffert 1st - Alydar Stakes
Harlan’s Hello Doodnauth Shivmangal 1st - Op. claiming
Isn’t He Perfect Doodnauth Shivmangal 9th - Preakness

[rthoughton]

I don't think I'll be using shack or MMM for this one.

[Gremlin Lad]

Saturday 5/28/2011

Mike Lauffer and Bill Cubbedge’s Preakness Stakes winner Shackleford is expected to ship to New York in the next couple of days and will have a workout over the Belmont track before a final decision is made about running in the June 11 Belmont Stakes, according to the Churchill Downs communications department.

The 3-year-old son of Forestry returned to the Churchill Downs backstretch the morning of May 22, one day after his triumph in the May 21 Preakness.

Trainer Dale Romans said he will train Shackleford as if he is going to start in the Belmont.

[Gremlin Lad]

I am STILL leaning towards Mucho Macho Man.....

Mostly, because I can relate with what his trainer has endured.

Besides MMM justed turned three years old.......When he raced in KD and Preakness he was still a two year old.... even tho the calendar said differently.

BUT ...first we have to get him into the Belmont Stakes.

Everybody is "training" but not saying 100 percent they will be there....

On another note.....16 entries has been the norm for listing starters in a race at Belmont this year, BUT 99 percent of the time, they scratch 2 to 4 entries before post time.

[Rbyrne]

LOL at Gremlin Lad...get off MMM's nuts...i dont think he finishes in the money...i like the horse but he just hasnt figured it out and hasnt won many races but more often finishes 2nd or 3rd but idk if he can even do that vs this field

[Rbyrne]

and u say u are mostly leaning towards MMM because you can relate to what his trainer has endured? lmao thats probly the dumbest reason ive ever heard as to why you think a horse will win a race.

[Rbyrne]

The Met Mile is on Monday post time 5:50pm...Haynesfield, Aikenite, Tackleberry, and Tizway look like the best horses out of the field of 11. Tizway ran in this race last year and finished 3rd behind muskett man and 1-4 fav quality road. Haynesfield and Aikenite are the two favs, tackleberry is 6-1 and Tizway 5-1

[rthoughton]

Not aikenite. That horse only wins at 7f.
And be nice, jeez. Some people pick based on names. That's an even dumber reason

[Gremlin Lad]

LOL at Gremlin Lad...get off MMM's nuts...i dont think he finishes in the money...i like the horse but he just hasnt figured it out and hasnt won many races but more often finishes 2nd or 3rd but idk if he can even do that vs this field

Years ago, (in 1978), I liked Alydar over Affirmed. Affirmed was a very nice looking, powerful race horse. Alydar pushed Affirmed across the finish line in the Kentucky Derby, The Preakness Stakes, and The Belmont Stakes, and The Travers,,,,,,,,however, in the Travers, the Stewarts ruled Alydar was interferred with by Affirmed, and Affirmed was DQ'd.

Alydar, might not of been able to finish ahead of Affirmed when competing head to head, but Alydar had heart and determination and he passed that quality on to his offspring.


I have the same thinking with Mucho Macho Man that I had with Alydar.

If Mucho Macho Man enters and does not win the Belmont Stakes, it is not going to be a big deal...just to see him race with heart and determination and come out of the race healthy is what I am looking towards. True he does not have it all figured out yet, but he just turned 3 yrs old this next Month (June)

Lately, the horses that compete in these early 3 year old Stakes races have nothing left in the FALL campaign..but I think Mucho Macho Man will be campaigning this Fall.


See story at the following link=

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/2...emarkable.html

[rthoughton]

Cute.
Hey, bye bye tressel. Douche bag.

[rthoughton]

I'm thinking your MMM is a little overrated. These horses all have been killing me. Any more news on field, etc? I've been Internet-less since wednesday.

[AlexanderNehro]

I was a MMM believer until the disappointing performance in the Preakness. Not to say that he can't bounce back off that showing, but there are clearly some better horses in this field that appeal to me more.
& Yes, some info on the field:
Alternation winner of the Peter Pan Stakes is officially out of the Belmont picture and will target races this fall (Travers, etc.)
Baffert will not be sending any horses to the Belmont. This means Awesome Patriot and Uncle Sam are out.
Shack shipped to NY on Saturday for some early training.
Nehro put in a great work Saturday at Churchill. Connections say he will ship to NY on Thursday so he can get one work in before the race.

The field now looks like this (and hopefully it stays at 12 or less):
Belmont Stakes probable starters:
Horse Trainer Last start
Animal Kingdom Graham Motion 2nd - Preakness
Brilliant Speed Tom Albertrani 7th - Ky. Derby
Isn’t He Perfect Doodnauth Shivmangal 9th - Preakness
Master of Hounds Aidan O'Brien 5th - Ky. Derby
Monzon Ignacio Correas IV 6th - Peter Pan
Mucho Macho Man Kathy Ritvo 6th - Preakness
Nehro Steve Asmussen 2nd - Ky. Derby
Prime Cut Neil Howard 3rd - Peter Pan
Ruler On Ice Kelly Breen 2nd - Federico Tesio
Santiva Eddie Kenneally 6th - Ky. Derby
Shackleford Dale Romans 1st - Preakness
Stay Thirsty Todd Pletcher 12th - Ky. Derby
Possibles: Harlan’s Hello Doodnauth Shivmangal 1st - Op. claiming

[rthoughton]

Thanks dawg. Keep it comin.

[zebra58]

ramon dominguez gets mount on mmm also wilkinson could enter

[AlexanderNehro]

Belmont field down to 11 probables. Prime Cut and Wilkinson will look to other races. Prime Cut will remain at Churchill to possibly run in Matt Winn stakes, June 18th. Top 7 derby finishers are pointed towards Belmont, 1st time in 143 year history that has happened (if all indeed race).

New jockey and new shoes for MMM doesn't spark much interest in me. At this point it is all about the horse. If Ramon and new shoes can make this horse win the Belmont than I stand corrected, but I would be extremely shocked to see him beat some of the horses in this current field.

Belmont Stakes probable starters:
Horse Trainer Last start
Animal Kingdom Graham Motion 2nd - Preakness
Brilliant Speed Tom Albertrani 7th - Ky. Derby
Isn’t He Perfect Doodnauth Shivmangal 9th - Preakness
Master of Hounds Aidan O'Brien 5th - Ky. Derby
Monzon Ignacio Correas IV 6th - Peter Pan
Mucho Macho Man Kathy Ritvo 6th - Preakness
Nehro Steve Asmussen 2nd - Ky. Derby
Ruler On Ice Kelly Breen 2nd - Federico Tesio
Santiva Eddie Kenneally 6th - Ky. Derby
Shackleford Dale Romans 1st - Preakness
Stay Thirsty Todd Pletcher 12th - Ky. Derby
Possibles: Harlan’s Hello Doodnauth Shivmangal 1st - Op. claiming

[rthoughton]

Nehro is gonna win it. Ha. Anybody think hounds could have caught AK in the derby If he got the extra 1/4?

[rthoughton]

Got my eye on m o hound.

[AlexanderNehro]

Mike Watchmaker's early odds for Belmont:
Interesting. My guess is these will change drastically towards race day and MOH and MMM will get a much higher price. People will bet down the two TC winners to no tomorrow, so Nehro may get a decent price as well.
Animal Kingdom 2-1
Nehro 7-2
Shackleford 9-2
Master of Hounds 8-1
Mucho Macho Man 8-1
Santiva 12-1
Brilliant Speed 15-1
Ruler On Ice 20-1
Stay Thirsty 20-1
Monzon 30-1
Isn't He Perfect 50-1

[rthoughton]

$50 to win on Nehro.

[rthoughton]

This is gonna be a really great race. I think that it has the best field of the three so far. I hope to hit a winner for once.

[rthoughton]

Nehro AK / AK Nehro shack masterofhounds / same 4.
$12

[AlexanderNehro]

Nehro AK Shack / AK Nehro Shack Master MMM / Same 5 - $36

Take it for what its worth, but Mucho Macho Man put in a blazing work at Belmont. 1st out of 15 for the distance. Maybe the new kicks helped out after all.

[rivalz]

when is the big race?> next week?