Wallco NHL GOLD (+453 units in 6 years)

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 104-4A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +20.58 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 2 (-2.95 units)

(1/13/16):
#107LColumbus (+1½)Lv2l(B) - Win
#110LBoston (M/L)Lv1l(A) - Loss

v1 Fades
(A) 52-28
(B) 15-11
(C) 7-4
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u), CHI (-20.56)

v2 Plays
(A) 21-9
(B) 7-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/14/16):
#105LVancouver (+1½) @ WashingtonLv1l(B)L(7:05 pm EST)
#110LResumes v1l(B) on 1/16/16
#111LCarolina @ St. Louis (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(8:05 pm EST)
#112LEdmonton (+1½) @ San JoseLv1l(A)L(10:35 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 103-4A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +19.58 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 2 (-3.80 units)

(1/12/16):
#103LNashville (+1½)Lv1l(B) - Win
#107LColumbus (+1½)Lv2l(A) - Loss
#108LEdmonton (+1½)Lv1l(A) - Win
#109LNashville (+1½)Lv2l(A) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 52-27
(B) 15-11
(C) 7-4
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u), CHI (-20.56)

v2 Plays
(A) 21-9
(B) 6-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/13/16):
#105LResumes v1l(B) on 1/14/16
#107LColumbus (+1½) @ TorontoLv2l(B)L(7:05 pm EST)
#110LBoston (M/L) @ PhiladelphiaLv1l(A)L(8:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[Andy3568]

It's about time Florida lost.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 100-4A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +16.58 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 2 (-3.80 units)

(1/11/16):
#102LL.A. Kings (M/L)Lv1l(B) - Win
#106LVancouver (+1½)Lv1l(A) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 51-27
(B) 14-11
(C) 7-4
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u), CHI (-20.56)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-8
(B) 6-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/12/16):
#103LNashville (+1½) @ ChicagoLv1l(B)L(8:35 pm EST)
#105LResumes v1l(B) on 1/14/16
#107LColumbus (+1½) @ N.Y. IslandersLv2l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)
#108LEdmonton (+1½) @ ArizonaLv1l(A)L(9:05 pm EST)
#109LNashville (+1½) @ ChicagoLv2l(A)L(8:35 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 98-4A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +14.58 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 3 (-5.19 units)

(1/10/16):
#102LAnaheim (M/L)Lv1l(A) - Loss
#103LColorado (+1½)Lv1l(A) - Loss
#104LChicago (M/L)Lv1l(A) - Win
#105LOttawa (+1½)Lv1l(A) - Loss

v1 Fades
(A) 50-27
(B) 13-11
(C) 7-4
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u), CHI (-20.56)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-8
(B) 6-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/11/16):
#102LDetroit @ L.A. Kings (M/L)Lv1l(B)L(10:35 pm EST)
#103LResumes v1l(B) on 1/12/16
#105LResumes v1l(B) on 1/14/16
#106LFlorida @ Vancouver (+1½)Lv1l(A)L(10:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 97-4A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +13.58 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 0

v1 Fades
(A) 49-24
(B) 13-11
(C) 7-4
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u), CHI (-20.56)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-8
(B) 6-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/10/16):
#102LDetroit @ Anaheim (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(8:05 pm EST)
#103LColorado (+1½) @ ChicagoLv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)
#104LColorado @ Chicago (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)
#105LOttawa (+1½) @ WashingtonLv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[bravoman81]

Good job Buffalo. The same team being on the losing end of 2 "C" bets in a span of 10 days...Don't think I've ever seen that before.

thought at 5 mins in the 3rd at 1-1 we were golden...might have to just fade buf on the next series!

[Sean Pratt]

You wrote no system plays for Jan 10... I just want to make sure that this is a typo and you didn't overlook any system plays that may start today (the 9th)

[Miggs]

Good job Buffalo. The same team being on the losing end of 2 "C" bets in a span of 10 days...Don't think I've ever seen that before.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 97-4A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +13.58 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 0

(1/8/16):
#98LBuffalo (+1½)Lv1l(C) - Loss
#100LSt. Louis (+1½)Lv2l(B) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 49-24
(B) 13-11
(C) 7-4
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u), CHI (-20.56)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-8
(B) 6-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


There are no system plays for (1/9/16)


Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 96-3A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +33.15 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 2 (-8.84 units)

(1/7/16):
#99LOttawa (+1½)Lv1l(B) - Win
#101LL.A. Kings (M/L)Lv1l(A) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 49-24
(B) 13-11
(C) 7-3
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-8
(B) 5-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/8/16):
#98LBuffalo (+1½) @ ChicagoLv1l(C)L(8:35 pm EST)
#100LSt. Louis (+1½) @ AnaheimLv2l(B)L(10:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[analyzer]

That's the way I played it. Thanks Wallco!

[Wallco99]

Quick question, on scores and odds currently FLA is -110. Does that still make the Sens a dog or ML? Sorry, too much wine already.

Dog. Ottawa is +100 Florida is -110.

[analyzer]

Quick question, on scores and odds currently FLA is -110. Does that still make the Sens a dog or ML? Sorry, too much wine already.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 94-3A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +31.15 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 3 (-11.44 units)

(1/6/16):
#98LPittsburgh (+1½)Lv1l(B) - Loss
#100LSt. Louis (M/L)Lv2l(A) - Loss

v1 Fades
(A) 48-24
(B) 12-11
(C) 7-3
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-8
(B) 5-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/7/16):
#98LResumes v1l(C) on 1/8/16
#99LFlorida @ Ottawa (+1½)Lv1l(B)L(7:35 pm EST)
#100LResumes v2l(B) on 1/8/16
#101LToronto @ L.A. Kings (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(10:355 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[slohar]

I think Pittsburgh's Lovejoy had Chicago -1.5. Empty net goals don't get much easier than that.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 94-3A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +31.15 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 2 (-3.90 units)

(1/5/16):
#98LPittsburgh (M/L)Lv1l(A) - Loss
#99LBuffalo (+1½)Lv1l(A) - Loss

v1 Fades
(A) 48-24
(B) 12-10
(C) 7-3
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-7
(B) 5-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/6/16):
#98LPittsburgh (+1½) @ ChicagoLv1l(B)L(8:05 pm EST)
#99LResumes v1l(B) on 1/7/16
#100LSt. Louis (M/L) @ ColoradoLv2l(A)L(10:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[azsportswin]

Fading Florida again! They're on the road, so here's hoping we don't reach a C bet on them again!

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 94-3A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +31.15 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 0

(1/4/16):
#96LDetroit (+1½)Lv1l(A) - Win
#97LOttawa (+1½)Lv2l(A) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 48-22
(B) 12-10
(C) 7-3
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 20-7
(B) 5-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/5/16):
#98LChicago @ Pittsburgh (M/L)Lv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)
#99LFlorida @ Buffalo (+1½)Lv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[Miggs]

Much too risky, don't like it.

Using puck-line odds, I would agree. I've used it with an NHL over/under 4 game chase system with success, but then you're talking much lower odds (quite often getting underdog prices on the O/U's) which makes the @risk amount easier to stomach.

[Wallco99]

Exactly. What you're betting on is the rarity of "C" bets (that is, hoping you don't come across a "C" bet before winning 3 wagers in a row). If you do run into a "C" bet before you win 3 wagers, disaster quickly ensues...

Before anyone runs off to give this a go, when I said "use at your own risk" I meant it. Here's an example of trying to recover 12.91 over 3 system bets assuming every game is at -250 odds:

12.91/3 = 4.3

Game 1: A Bet: 4.3 units + 1 unit @ -250 = 13.25...if it loses, then:
Game 2: B Bet: 13.25 + 4.3 units + 1 unit @ -250 = 46.37...if it loses, then:
Game 3: C Bet: 46.37 + 4.3 units + 1 unit @ -250 = (gulp) 129.18...

Of course, you could end up with a game in there at -300 odds or worse, or you could end up with a moneyline bet among those 3 games at considerably better odds.

Either way, what you're really gambling on is exactly what Wallco said - Hoping like hell your next 3 system bets are A wins (at worst, a mix of A and B). Considering C bets make up roughly 10% of the wagers year in and year out, your odds of winning 3 A/B bets in a row before you see a C wager are quite good. But...this can lead to disaster very quickly as the case above illustrates.

Alternatively, you could apply it to system bets that are just moneyline wagers...or, and this is what I truly recommend, you just bet the regular system "C" bets as they come and take the good with the bad. As ledjend said, it comes with the territory.

Much too risky, don't like it.

[Miggs]

You better sure as hell win your (A) bets if you implement that crazy strategy in a system where a large portion of the bets are -250 odds and higher.

Exactly. What you're betting on is the rarity of "C" bets (that is, hoping you don't come across a "C" bet before winning 3 wagers in a row). If you do run into a "C" bet before you win 3 wagers, disaster quickly ensues...

Before anyone runs off to give this a go, when I said "use at your own risk" I meant it. Here's an example of trying to recover 12.91 over 3 system bets assuming every game is at -250 odds:

12.91/3 = 4.3

Game 1: A Bet: 4.3 units + 1 unit @ -250 = 13.25...if it loses, then:
Game 2: B Bet: 13.25 + 4.3 units + 1 unit @ -250 = 46.37...if it loses, then:
Game 3: C Bet: 46.37 + 4.3 units + 1 unit @ -250 = (gulp) 129.18...

Of course, you could end up with a game in there at -300 odds or worse, or you could end up with a moneyline bet among those 3 games at considerably better odds.

Either way, what you're really gambling on is exactly what Wallco said - Hoping like hell your next 3 system bets are A wins (at worst, a mix of A and B). Considering C bets make up roughly 10% of the wagers year in and year out, your odds of winning 3 A/B bets in a row before you see a C wager are quite good. But...this can lead to disaster very quickly as the case above illustrates.

Alternatively, you could apply it to system bets that are just moneyline wagers...or, and this is what I truly recommend, you just bet the regular system "C" bets as they come and take the good with the bad. As ledjend said, it comes with the territory.

[Wallco99]

Another approach I've used in the past to avoid the potential of a staggering loss is to spread the units you're trying to gain over the next "x" system wagers. So in the above case, you'd take 12.91 divide it by "x" and add that amount to your base wager over the next "x" system bets.

A word of caution:
1) You're gambling that the system won't endure another C bet loss over the next "x" number of wagers...if it does, you actually stand to lose more (depending on the odds of that particular chase) than you may have taking the original C bet because your ordinary starting bet is significantly higher (they call it gambling for a reason).

2) If over the next "x" bets, the system has the misfortune of generating multiple B and or C bets, funding this kind of "recovery" chase can get overwhelmingly expensive (I'd suggest calculating some worst case scenarios in excel to see whether your bankroll can cover multiple B wagers, and heaven forbid, another C wager).

Lastly, you don't want your "x" number of wagers to be prolonged...meaning don't try to do this over the next say, 10 system wagers. Get it over with quickly - I personally use 3 system bets as my "x". With a high percentage system like this, the odds of recovering the units you passed on with the initial C bet are high - provided the chase is short.

Personally, I don't use this method very often (Only in extreme cases where the potential unit loss is staggering), because you're not actually avoiding any risk - you're just diversifying it. You can get still get hammered if your luck turns, so use at your own risk.

You better sure as hell win your (A) bets if you implement that crazy strategy in a system where a large portion of the bets are -250 odds and higher.

[Miggs]

A and B bets cost 11.91.
On today's C you'd be trying to win 12.91 which would eliminate the losses and profit 1 unit.
Minn PL is currently -315.

12.91 x 3.15 = 40.67 units risked on today's bet

40.67 + 11.91 = 52.58 potential unit loss

Comes with the territory.

Good luck.

Thanks Ledjend, it certainly does.

Ended up taking the ML 5min before puck drop. Saved me a lot of juice but I could be taking a depending on the outcome. Goodluck to everyone tonight.

Another approach I've used in the past to avoid the potential of a staggering loss is to spread the units you're trying to gain over the next "x" system wagers. So in the above case, you'd take 12.91 divide it by "x" and add that amount to your base wager over the next "x" system bets.

A word of caution:
1) You're gambling that the system won't endure another C bet loss over the next "x" number of wagers...if it does, you actually stand to lose more (depending on the odds of that particular chase) than you may have taking the original C bet because your ordinary starting bet is significantly higher (they call it gambling for a reason).

2) If over the next "x" bets, the system has the misfortune of generating multiple B and or C bets, funding this kind of "recovery" chase can get overwhelmingly expensive (I'd suggest calculating some worst case scenarios in excel to see whether your bankroll can cover multiple B wagers, and heaven forbid, another C wager).

Lastly, you don't want your "x" number of wagers to be prolonged...meaning don't try to do this over the next say, 10 system wagers. Get it over with quickly - I personally use 3 system bets as my "x". With a high percentage system like this, the odds of recovering the units you passed on with the initial C bet are high - provided the chase is short.

Personally, I don't use this method very often (Only in extreme cases where the potential unit loss is staggering), because you're not actually avoiding any risk - you're just diversifying it. You can get still get hammered if your luck turns, so use at your own risk.

[Wallco99]

Det is now the favorite on 5d @ -110 w/ the devils at +100

Five Dimes doesn't count. Please don't confuse people. The bet is still +1 1/2 at this moment.

[njb5572]

Det is now the favorite on 5d @ -110 w/ the devils at +100

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 92-3A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +29.15 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 0

(1/3/16):
#90LMinnesota (+1½)Lv1l(C) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 47-22
(B) 12-10
(C) 7-3
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 19-7
(B) 5-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/4/16):
#96LDetroit (+1½) @ New JerseyLv1l(A)L(7:05 pm EST)
#97LOttawa (+1½) @ St. LouisLv2l(A)L(8:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[njb5572]

Thanks Ledjend, it certainly does.

Ended up taking the ML 5min before puck drop. Saved me a lot of juice but I could be taking a depending on the outcome. Goodluck to everyone tonight.

[ledjend]

A and B bets cost 11.91.
On today's C you'd be trying to win 12.91 which would eliminate the losses and profit 1 unit.
Minn PL is currently -315.

12.91 x 3.15 = 40.67 units risked on today's bet

40.67 + 11.91 = 52.58 potential unit loss

Comes with the territory.

Good luck.

[njb5572]

Thank for the help. I do understand how odds work

Sean, it sounds like we are in the same neighborhood as I too have about 12u invested in the series and would need to lay roughly 42u on the game tonight (should have made the bet earlier.. Odds got considerably worse).

I am seeing even odds (-105) on the ML now at 5dimes.

[HockeyRocks]

I just want to make sure my math is right here but if this Minn PL goes at -275 are we looking at a possible ~47u series?

Think of it this way. At 5Dimes now Minn is +1.5 at -340. Your laying 340.00 on a 100.00 bet..

[Sean Pratt]

Nooo. I don't think that's right. The series (for me) is -12.35 units... and I dropped something like 30~~ units on today Think of it like 27 units for 10... and so its just a bit more to get the other 2.35 + 1.

Hate putting up that cash on back to back to back PL games. It's ugly

[njb5572]

I just want to make sure my math is right here but if this Minn PL goes at -275 are we looking at a possible ~47u series?

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 91-3A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +28.15 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 1 (-11.91 units)

(1/2/16):
#90LN.Y. Rangers (+1½)Lv1l(B) - Loss
#92LPhiladelphia (+1½)Lv1l(B) - Win
#95LDetroit (M/L)Lv2l(A) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 47-22
(B) 12-10
(C) 6-3
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 19-7
(B) 5-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/3/16):
#90LMinnesota (+1½) @ FloridaLv1l(C)L(6:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.

[Wallco99]

Wallco NHL GOLD
2015-16 System to Date: 89-3A(fin. series)
SystemlProfit/Loss: +26.15 unitsA(fin. series)
Current Open Series: 2 (-4.75 units)

(1/1/16):
#94LVancouver (+1½)Lv1l(A) - Win

v1 Fades
(A) 47-22
(B) 11-9
(C) 6-3
Losses: MON (-25.68 u), EDM (-14.41 u), WAS (-22.76 u)

v2 Plays
(A) 18-7
(B) 5-2
(C) 2-0
Losses: None


Games for (1/2/16):
#90LN.Y. Rangers (+1½) @ FloridaLv1l(B)L(7:05 pm EST)
#92LPhiladelphia (+1½) @ L.A. KingsLv1l(B)L(4:05 pm EST)
#95LDetroit (M/L) @ BuffaloLv2l(A)L(1:05 pm EST)


Note: The lines I have listed were the current lines at the time of my post and may not reflect the final lines used to determine wins & losses, or line changes later in the day. Get proper line if different than the one I have posted, based on the criteria that I have listed below.

Do not place any wagers on teams unless you are sure your team is the dog or favorite. The team underlined and highlighted blue is the team we are betting on, regardless of v1 or v2. If you play the closer line games too early, you may be overpaying for a loss if you play the P/L and should have been on the M/L, or lose a game that you would have won had you been on the (M/L) instead of the (+1½). We will always play the M/L if the team we are betting on is the M/L favorite or in games when the line is (-110/-110) or (-105/-105), and always play the (+1½) if the team we are betting on is a M/L dog. ALL results will be based on this principle. If it is a close line game, you may want to wait til closer to game time to place your wager so you know whether or not we are on the (+1½) or the (M/L). You may need to buy the alternate line (+1½) on occasion if the M/L dog team we are betting on is the (-1½) team with your individual book. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, or vice versa, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the M/L dog team on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines.
System rules and backtest can be found in posts #4197 & #4198.