Canuck fans, how would you best describe your mood going into game 2?

[drfunkmaster]

BREAKING NEWS:....Canada has just found the next Olympic gold medalists for figure skating, Congratulations to Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin for making the couples figure skating team, and the rest of the canucks will be individuals free style. The coach will be Cory Schneider.

[DennisGreen]

After game 3 - suicidal.



Time to blow it up and start over. Fire Gillis and AV. Trade the Sedins.

[bobbyk1133]

What this organization needs most is a scouting department that knows how to identify good players. There is no quality depth beyond the top end players and barely anyone worth noting in their farm system.

[DennisGreen]

What this organization needs most is a scouting department that knows how to identify good players. There is no quality depth beyond the top end players and barely anyone worth noting in their farm system.

Amen. We haven't had a prospect turn into a star since Kesler. Terrible drafting organization.

[Vegas39]

Amen. We haven't had a prospect turn into a star since Kesler. Terrible drafting organization.

they gonna blow this team up in offseason ?

[DennisGreen]

they gonna blow this team up in offseason ?

Highly doubt it. Coach is fired for sure IMO. I'll be happy because we need a tougher, asshole coach who motivates better.

Dont see the Sedins ever being moved though. They have really started to decline though over the last few years production wise. Would be smart to move them if it was plausible.

[Vegas39]

Highly doubt it. Coach is fired for sure IMO. I'll be happy because we need a tougher, asshole coach who motivates better.

Dont see the Sedins ever being moved though. They have really started to decline though over the last few years production wise. Would be smart to move them if it was plausible.

Need a few physical players IMO

[DwightShrute]

I am in disbelief

[bobbyk1133]

Can't believe Bieksa whined about embellishment with a straight face. Does he know who his teammates are ?

They deserve to be the first team bounced. I actually feel bad for Luongo. I'd love to see him traded within the West so he can face them in the playoffs.

[DennisGreen]

Can't believe Bieksa whined about embellishment with a straight face. Does he know who his teammates are ?

They deserve to be the first team bounced. I actually feel bad for Luongo. I'd love to see him traded within the West so he can face them in the playoffs.

Quit rehashing the past the teams different this year and the Sharks are the floppers this year.

Glad Bieksa called those clowns out.

[hockey216]

canooks r toast.

[bobbyk1133]

Quit rehashing the past the teams different this year and the Sharks are the floppers this year.

Glad Bieksa called those clowns out.

It's not rehashing when all the same players are still on the team. No doubt SJ are embellishing, but it's about time Canucks get a taste of what they've been doing for years. They're the most hated team in the league for good reason.

[boeing power]

Schneider is fuking terrible and will cost Vigneault his job.

[DennisGreen]

Schneider is fuking terrible and will cost Vigneault his job.

No chance on either goal what game are you watching?

He was a legend in the regular season this year. Guys talented.

And AV is gone no matter what once the Nucks are out in round 1.

[DennisGreen]

It's not rehashing when all the same players are still on the team. No doubt SJ are embellishing, but it's about time Canucks get a taste of what they've been doing for years. They're the most hated team in the league for good reason.

Yeah I hear ya and agree

[bobbyk1133]

No chance on either goal what game are you watching?

He was a legend in the regular season this year. Guys talented.

And AV is gone no matter what once the Nucks are out in round 1.

If there's one thing I do like about the Nucks, it's Schneider. Kid is a fckin beast. Been trying to get him in my fantasy keeper league for 2 years.

[DennisGreen]

If there's one thing I do like about the Nucks, it's Schneider. Kid is a fckin beast. Been trying to get him in my fantasy keeper league for 2 years.

Yup he's gonna be a top 5 goalie for years to come in fantasy hockey

[bobbyk1133]

and I was so looking forward to using my broom.

[bobbyk1133]

Fitting that it was Bieksa to give up that late PP. #justsayin

[bobbyk1133]

Dangerous hit, had to call that. Time to clean house in Vancouver ... starting with the GM.

Now B's need to take care of the bitch-ass Maple Laffs.

[Potentate]

Ouch. Rough way to go for the Canucks. Tough call too there at the end, but damn... They were in quite a hole anyway.

[DennisGreen]

So crazy a Sedin gets called for boarding on a clean hit. Terrible, terrible call but typical finish to the way this series has went.

[bobbyk1133]

So crazy a Sedin gets called for boarding on a clean hit. Terrible, terrible call but typical finish to the way this series has went.

Every debatable call went against nucks. Bieksa's comments probably backfired on them since we know NHL refs are ego-maniacal fcktards. I love this sport, but the officiating is embarrassing. That goes for Shanahan too.

[DennisGreen]

Every debatable call went against nucks. Bieksa's comments probably backfired on them since we know NHL refs are ego-maniacal fcktards. I love this sport, but the officiating is embarrassing. That goes for Shanahan too.

Yup refs are ego-maniacs. They also hold personal vendettas against certain players. The game has been pussified severely just because of a few bad injuries. It's a dangerous sport and shit happens but now refs make calls based on how long the player "stays down" for or how they react. The actual play itself doesn't even matter anymore it's the end result.

[DwightShrute]

Dangerous hit, had to call that. Time to clean house in Vancouver ... starting with the GM.

Now B's need to take care of the bitch-ass Maple Laffs.

There are at least a dozen hits like that in every game. BS call. The TV announcer said it best ..."If that penalty is called on your team no matter what team you cheer for, you are gonna be upset." He is right. Shark fans know it.

Tweeks yes. Clean house no way. What if the Islanders knock out Pittsburgh? Clean house also?

[DwightShrute]

Furthermore, AV and Gillis have turned the Canucks into one of the winning-est teams in the NHL over the last 5 seasons or so. Including 2 back to back President's Trophies and game 7 in the Stanley Cup finals.

Having said that, the Coach is usually the one that takes the fall when expectations don't get met. That is part of the job. You can't fire 22 players after all.

I think AV will get fired and Rick Bowness will probably go too. I don't think Gillis will go but he need to have a great off season. He must get rid of Lu's contract and make a couple trades.

I think the Canuck ownership owes it to AV to let him go asap (if in fact they do want to get a new coach), not wait several weeks to decide. It needs to be done this week.

[boeing power]

I like AV and think he's a good coach but they have to fire him.

[DwightShrute]

I like AV and think he's a good coach but they have to fire him.

agreed 100%

change for change sake.

[bobbyk1133]

There are at least a dozen hits like that in every game. BS call. The TV announcer said it best ..."If that penalty is called on your team no matter what team you cheer for, you are gonna be upset." He is right. Shark fans know it.

Tweeks yes. Clean house no way. What if the Islanders knock out Pittsburgh? Clean house also?

Pittsburgh? ummmm ... Pens organization >>>>> Canucks organization.

Reaching the final two years ago doesn't mean there is a long-term winning formula. Gillis hasn't done a very good job here. Grabner and a 1st for Ballard?? Hodgson for Kassian? What has he done in 4 drafts? Jensen? The Luongo disaster?

Regular season success means nothing in this league. To win a cup you need quality depth and Vancouver has none of it.

What moves has Gillis made that suggest he's the man with the plan? Are any of the good players in the organization thanks to him? Has he improved the scouting dept since he arrived or does he intend to buy his way to a championship in a salary cap league?

[DwightShrute]

Pittsburgh? ummmm ... Pens organization >>>>> Canucks organization.

Reaching the final two years ago doesn't mean there is a long-term winning formula. Gillis hasn't done a very good job here. Grabner and a 1st for Ballard?? Hodgson for Kassian? What has he done in 4 drafts? Jensen? The Luongo disaster?

Regular season success means nothing in this league. To win a cup you need quality depth and Vancouver has none of it.

What moves has Gillis made that suggest he's the man with the plan? Are any of the good players in the organization thanks to him? Has he improved the scouting dept since he arrived or does he intend to buy his way to a championship in a salary cap league?

well what if the Pens lose in he first round like Vancouver? You traded a lot to get Iginla, Morrow, Jokinen and you have the likes of Crosby, Malkin and so many others. It will be considered a huge failure if they don't at least make it to the finals. Right? Its hard to judge the Pens organization. Ya they won the Cup in 2009 but if they lose to NY in this first round I think you need to re-evaluate a lot.

You need to make the top 8 to get into the playoffs. So the regular season, that usually doesn't get sorted out until the last week on the season, does means something.

maybe you are right about Gillis. Too many no trade contracts which is gonna make it difficult to make a lot of changes. There is something missing for sure. Could be as simple as a new coach with some new ideas and a couple trades. Hodgson for Kassian is pretty even so far. Undetermined at least. No need to panic here. We have a lot of the pieces in place.

[bobbyk1133]

well what if the Pens lose in he first round like Vancouver? You traded a lot to get Iginla, Morrow, Jokinen and you have the likes of Crosby, Malkin and so many others. It will be considered a huge failure if they don't at least make it to the finals. Right? Its hard to judge the Pens organization. Ya they won the Cup in 2009 but if they lose to NY in this first round I think you need to re-evaluate a lot.

You need to make the top 8 to get into the playoffs. So the regular season, that usually doesn't get sorted out until the last week on the season, does means something.

maybe you are right about Gillis. Too many no trade contracts which is gonna make it difficult to make a lot of changes. There is something missing for sure. Could be as simple as a new coach with some new ideas and a couple trades. Hodgson for Kassian is pretty even so far. Undetermined at least. No need to panic here. We have a lot of the pieces in place.

If the Pens lose this season will be a huge failure, of course. That said, they know how to draft and develop from within. They make good trades/pickups, and manage the cap well, too. Pittsburgh will contend for the foreseeable future.

What Gillis has done is consistently downgrade the roster during his time. Everyone is getting older with no new blood to replace it. And you really think Hodgson for Kassian is even? Cody is getting 1st line minutes, plays a strong two-way game, and producing at a 60 point clip. Kassian bounces around in the bottom six and has 2nd line potential at best. This was not a good trade.

AV can only work with what he's got so it would be unfortunate if he was the only one to take the fall here.

[DwightShrute]

If the Pens lose this season will be a huge failure, of course. That said, they know how to draft and develop from within. They make good trades/pickups, and manage the cap well, too. Pittsburgh will contend for the foreseeable future.

What Gillis has done is consistently downgrade the roster during his time. Everyone is getting older with no new blood to replace it. And you really think Hodgson for Kassian is even? Cody is getting 1st line minutes, plays a strong two-way game, and producing at a 60 point clip. Kassian bounces around in the bottom six and has 2nd line potential at best. This was not a good trade.

AV can only work with what he's got so it would be unfortunate if he was the only one to take the fall here.

Ya its all good and well to draft, develop and trade but its also nice to get super lucky and suck so bad to get Crosby in the draft also the following year. Being lucky really helps. Doesn't it Bobby?

Bottom line: its not all doom and gloom in Vancouver as some make it to appear. This is a solid team that isn't far off. Good young prospects in the farm system and a pretty darn good roster now.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/pittsburgh_penguins/

Canucks future prospects
Strengths

• Good depth of two-way defensemen
• Blue chippers at the top

Weaknesses

• Many enigmatic prospects in system
• Lack of goaltending depth

Pens

Strengths

• Size and depth on defense
• Many NHL ready prospects
• Forwards with top-nine potential

Weaknesses

• Many top prospects are projects
• No goaltending depth

[bobbyk1133]

Aside from Jensen, who are the "good prospects" coming to save the day?

If you want to use HF, look at their team rankings.

Canucks #27, Penguins #14.

In THN Future Watch 13, Nucks were rated 29th and Pens 15th.

It might not be doom and gloom, but the days of the Canucks being a contender are over.

[DwightShrute]

Aside from Jensen, who are the "good prospects" coming to save the day?

If you want to use HF, look at their team rankings.

Canucks #27, Penguins #14.

In THN Future Watch 13, Nucks were rated 29th and Pens 15th.

It might not be doom and gloom, but the days of the Canucks being a contender are over.

we'll see.

[Vegas39]

Canucks have set press conference for noon tomorrow