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  • jorzavfa
    SBR Rookie
    • 03-12-12
    • 1

    #1
    Formulas ..
    Hi I was wondering if someone can help me out with this, im searching for easy and fast formulas, on how to create Run Lines and/or Puck lines, how to create the Team Totals for NHL and MLB.


    And if there is an easy formula to calculate halves times. Sorry if this questions were already on a different post but i being checking and reading and didnt see that.

    THanks
  • RickySteve
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    • 01-31-06
    • 3415

    #2
    I like money too. Would you like to go out for a milkshake to see what else we might have in common?
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    • TheMoneyShot
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 02-14-07
      • 28672

      #3
      One of those Shamrock shakes from McDonald's sounds good right about now...
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      • jgilmartin
        SBR MVP
        • 03-31-09
        • 1119

        #4
        Originally posted by jorzavfa
        Hi I was wondering if someone can help me out with this, im searching for easy and fast formulas, on how to create Run Lines and/or Puck lines, how to create the Team Totals for NHL and MLB.


        And if there is an easy formula to calculate halves times. Sorry if this questions were already on a different post but i being checking and reading and didnt see that.

        THanks
        It has been asked, yes, however it is not something you are likely to find an accurate answer to on a public forum. If someone is able to create a model/formula that is more accurate than what the oddsmakers and/or other bettors are using, it would be totally counterproductive to share it with others, as it would eventually eliminate any edge they once had.
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        • WILLIE
          Restricted User
          • 03-08-12
          • 88

          #5
          Just my oppinion, but the main thing to remember is, when the opening line is released it is not an estimate of the linemaker's evaluation of who should win and by how much, but rather a very sophisticated and educated assessment of the puplic's preception in that same contest. Hence the linemaker's job is to set a line that will draw somewhere between 50/50 to 65/35 action. Example: If New England is favored by 8 1/2 and they win by 20 but the public was split 55/45 on the game it was a good line, but if the public bet New England 85/15, it was a bad line and if they bet it 25/75 it was a fantastic line.
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          • TomG
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 10-29-07
            • 500

            #6
            it's not too hard. for the run lines and puck lines, just figure out how often the other team wins by 1. then take the team's odds of winning plus the odds of the other team winning by 1. put them together and you got it.
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            • WILLIE
              Restricted User
              • 03-08-12
              • 88

              #7
              Originally posted by TomG
              it's not too hard. for the run lines and puck lines, just figure out how often the other team wins by 1. then take the team's odds of winning plus the odds of the other team winning by 1. put them together and you got it.
              I call BS on this one. Show some examples by giving us Saturday's line before it's released just from the schedule. You noticed I gave you a day or two to do the calculations.
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              • TomG
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 10-29-07
                • 500

                #8
                what is bs? tell me what part of my post is not true.
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                • RickySteve
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                  • 01-31-06
                  • 3415

                  #9
                  Any knucklehead can figure out how often a team wins by 1, Tom. Only the true greats can figure out how often they win by >2.5.
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                  • WILLIE
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                    • 03-08-12
                    • 88

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TomG
                    what is bs? tell me what part of my post is not true.

                    Show some examples by giving us Saturday's line before it's released just from the schedule. You noticed I gave you a day or two to do the calculations.
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                    • MonkeyF0cker
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 06-12-07
                      • 12144

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WILLIE
                      Show some examples by giving us Saturday's line before it's released just from the schedule. You noticed I gave you a day or two to do the calculations.
                      Very generous of you.

                      Lay off the weed.
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                      • durito
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 07-03-06
                        • 13173

                        #12
                        Formulas are simple, you need to look for winning systems. Stuff like this:
                        Last edited by SBRAdmin3; 06-25-14, 11:33 AM.
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                        • WILLIE
                          Restricted User
                          • 03-08-12
                          • 88

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                          Very generous of you.

                          Lay off the weed.
                          I was simply wanting some examples of how he thought the opening line should start out. Is that so hard?
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                          • durito
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 07-03-06
                            • 13173

                            #14
                            Originally posted by WILLIE
                            I was simply wanting some examples of how he thought the opening line should start out. Is that so hard?
                            that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread
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                            • WILLIE
                              Restricted User
                              • 03-08-12
                              • 88

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TomG
                              it's not too hard. for the run lines and puck lines, just figure out how often the other team wins by 1. then take the team's odds of winning plus the odds of the other team winning by 1. put them together and you got it.
                              Originally posted by durito

                              that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread
                              <BR><BR>
                              It has everything to do with this thread and to TomG's post. I'm not saying he's not right. I just said I didn't believe he was right, and asked for an example to prove that he was right. And as you see, he's offered no kind of response at all. At the moment I still stand by my B.S. statement.

                              I'd love to find out how they set the opening line, or at least a close resemblence. Because I surely don't know how they figure it in Hockey or Baseball.
                              Last edited by WILLIE; 03-15-12, 08:26 PM.
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                              • MonkeyF0cker
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 06-12-07
                                • 12144

                                #16
                                Originally posted by WILLIE
                                <BR><BR>
                                It has everything to do with this thread and to TomG's post. I'm not saying he's not right. I just said I didn't believe he was right, and asked for an example to prove that he was right. And as you see, he's offered no kind of response at all. At the moment I still stand by my B.S. statement.

                                I'd love to find out how they set the opening line, or at least a close resemblence. Because I surely don't know how they figure it in Hockey or Baseball.
                                I know I have this silver platter in my hand for a reason. Sorry, sir, what was it you wanted me to put on it for you again?

                                Would you like a foot massage with my tongue afterwards too?
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                                • WILLIE
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 03-08-12
                                  • 88

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                  I know I have this silver platter in my hand for a reason. Sorry, sir, what was it you wanted me to put on it for you again?

                                  Would you like a foot massage with my tongue afterwards too?
                                  So you don't have a clue either I see.
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                                  • MonkeyF0cker
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 06-12-07
                                    • 12144

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by WILLIE
                                    So you don't have a clue either I see.
                                    Exactly. You're the only one who does.
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                                    • TomG
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 10-29-07
                                      • 500

                                      #19
                                      given team a wins 40% of the time, time b wins 60% of the time, and team b wins by exactly 1 10% of the time.

                                      probability team a wins + probability team b wins by exactly 1 = probability of team +1.5 covering = 50%.

                                      quod erat demonstrandum willie
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                                      • probettor1
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 04-22-11
                                        • 1985

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by TomG
                                        given team a wins 40% of the time, time b wins 60% of the time, and team b wins by exactly 1 10% of the time.

                                        probability team a wins + probability team b wins by exactly 1 = probability of team +1.5 covering = 50%.

                                        quod erat demonstrandum willie
                                        If this formula is really useful to predict a game outcome please ban me from the forum. I'm retarded.
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                                        • probettor1
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 04-22-11
                                          • 1985

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by jorzavfa
                                          Hi I was wondering if someone can help me out with this, im searching for easy and fast formulas, on how to create Run Lines and/or Puck lines, how to create the Team Totals for NHL and MLB.




                                          And if there is an easy formula to calculate halves times. Sorry if this questions were already on a different post but i being checking and reading and didnt see that.

                                          THanks
                                          Take 1 week to try to figure that out. If you cant you are in the wrong place. That is the easiest thing to do. Wait to be able to calculate changing the players. How many point will add to the game player a and d when player b and c are is out. Now the same with the other team.
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                                          • WILLIE
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 03-08-12
                                            • 88

                                            #22
                                            quote from TomG

                                            given team a wins 40% of the time, time b wins 60% of the time, and team b wins by exactly 1 10% of the time.

                                            probability team a wins + probability team b wins by exactly 1 = probability of team +1.5 covering = 50%.

                                            quod erat demonstrandum willie

                                            Thank you. But will this produce anywhere near the opening line?
                                            Last edited by WILLIE; 03-16-12, 01:52 AM.
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                                            • WILLIE
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 03-08-12
                                              • 88

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                              Exactly. You're the only one who does.
                                              Thanks, you're so helpful.
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                                              • AlwaysDrawing
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 11-20-09
                                                • 657

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TomG
                                                given team a wins 40% of the time, time b wins 60% of the time, and team b wins by exactly 1 10% of the time.

                                                probability team a wins + probability team b wins by exactly 1 = probability of team +1.5 covering = 50%.

                                                quod erat demonstrandum willie
                                                quod erat demonstrandum willie
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                                                • rfr3sh
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-07-09
                                                  • 10229

                                                  #25
                                                  I think Willie is right
                                                  if Tom was able to prove him wrong by posting his lines he would have
                                                  he cannot so he tried to beat around the bush
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                                                  • WILLIE
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 03-08-12
                                                    • 88

                                                    #26
                                                    I CAN show how( or close to it at least) they set opening lines for NFL. And I just thought he might know how they figured Baseball and Hockey. But evidently not.
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                                                    • AlwaysDrawing
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 11-20-09
                                                      • 657

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by RickySteve
                                                      Any knucklehead can figure out how often a team wins by 1, Tom. Only the true greats can figure out how often they win by >2.5.
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                                                      • probettor1
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 04-22-11
                                                        • 1985

                                                        #28
                                                        Winning by 1 3 4 or 10 is as hard as it get otherwise you would be billionaire
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                                                        • WILLIE
                                                          Restricted User
                                                          • 03-08-12
                                                          • 88

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by probettor1
                                                          Winning by 1 3 4 or 10 is as hard as it get otherwise you would be billionaire
                                                          You make stupid remarks. And no, you're not funny. You have a terrible sense of humor. It's not wry, or sarcastic, but totally senseless babble.
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                                                          • probettor1
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 04-22-11
                                                            • 1985

                                                            #30
                                                            Willie my jokes are very funny. They make me laugh a lot. Problem is u don't get the jokes; the stats nor the math behind the games. I started to teach you and you started to kiss jerkmathes ass. Now do what I did and spend 3 or 4 years breaking your head to have a clue.
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                                                            • WILLIE
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 03-08-12
                                                              • 88

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by probettor1
                                                              Willie my jokes are very funny. They make me laugh a lot. Problem is u don't get the jokes; the stats nor the math behind the games. I started to teach you and you started to kiss jerkmathes ass. Now do what I did and spend 3 or 4 years breaking your head to have a clue.
                                                              The real problem, is that you add absolutely zero to every thread that you have followed me into. I don't have all the answers, but I am trying to ask questions to get intelligent answers. Whereas you, ask no questions and only reply with off the wall responses that in no way can be construed as an enlightening answer or constructive criticism
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                                                              • WILLIE
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 03-08-12
                                                                • 88

                                                                #32
                                                                Probetter1, since you are SO smart, why don't you explain....
                                                                Hi I was wondering if someone can help me out with this, im searching for easy and fast formulas, on how to create Run Lines and/or Puck lines, how to create the Team Totals for NHL and MLB.


                                                                And if there is an easy formula to calculate halves times. Sorry if this questions were already on a different post but i being checking and reading and didnt see that.

                                                                Afterall, that WAS the topic of the thread.
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                                                                • probettor1
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 04-22-11
                                                                  • 1985

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I was teaching u what got me to win 26 out of 30 been very selective and patient. But u already know more than me. Anyway you r right. I'm an asshole. Going back to capping. Won't be here much. Good luck. Love u.
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                                                                  • WILLIE
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 03-08-12
                                                                    • 88

                                                                    #34
                                                                    [QUOTE=probettor1;14140323please ban me from the forum. I'm retarded.[/QUOTE]
                                                                    Truer words have never been typed!!
                                                                    Last edited by WILLIE; 03-16-12, 02:33 PM.
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                                                                    • probettor1
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 04-22-11
                                                                      • 1985

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by WILLIE
                                                                      Truer words have never been typed!!
                                                                      You are funny Willie. I give that.
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