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  • Hurls
    SBR MVP
    • 12-17-11
    • 3477

    #1
    Computer Programs Question
    This is my first time posting in thinktank, I have a question are any of the handicapping programs that you dont have to build yourself anygood, any of the ones that you can buy as a package, I am not super computer savvy but I would like to get something? Any thoughts I would appreciate you guys in this thread seem to know what your talking about. Thanks.
  • AngryPlanets
    SBR Rookie
    • 01-08-12
    • 31

    #2
    I am trying to build my own program right now, and I did some looking for any open-source material before I started and came up empty.
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    • FreeFall
      SBR MVP
      • 02-20-08
      • 3365

      #3
      No one is going to do all the hard work for free...
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      • Hurls
        SBR MVP
        • 12-17-11
        • 3477

        #4
        Originally posted by FreeFall
        No one is going to do all the hard work for free...
        i dont want it done for free I want to pay for it obviously...
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        • MonkeyF0cker
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 06-12-07
          • 12144

          #5
          How much are you willing to spend?
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          • Hurls
            SBR MVP
            • 12-17-11
            • 3477

            #6
            i will check out, thanks for input
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            • Maverick22
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 04-10-10
              • 807

              #7
              Count me in, for the bidding wars on developing this guy whatever computer program he wants
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              • FreeFall
                SBR MVP
                • 02-20-08
                • 3365

                #8
                Originally posted by Hurls
                i dont want it done for free I want to pay for it obviously...

                Then why not just ask for the picks?
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                • AngryPlanets
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 01-08-12
                  • 31

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FreeFall
                  Then why not just ask for the picks?
                  I can't speak for OP, but for me, I am a Math and computer guy and thought it would be an interesting data and algorithmic challenge.
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                  • MonkeyF0cker
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 06-12-07
                    • 12144

                    #10
                    Originally posted by AngryPlanets
                    I can't speak for OP, but for me, I am a Math and computer guy and thought it would be an interesting data and algorithmic challenge.
                    Then why are you looking for open source code?
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                    • Maverick22
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 04-10-10
                      • 807

                      #11
                      All Hail Monkey. Ruler of the Think Tank With an iron Fist!!!
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                      • MonkeyF0cker
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 06-12-07
                        • 12144

                        #12
                        Just wondering. Seems a bit of a contradiction. Does it not?
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                        • Maverick22
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 04-10-10
                          • 807

                          #13
                          Certainly so. Monkey. Ne and you should be the resident coders. We cam he a travelling road shoe
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                          • Hurls
                            SBR MVP
                            • 12-17-11
                            • 3477

                            #14
                            i think everyone got this question wrong or I asked it wrong, I dont want someone to build one for me, I wanted to know if there was a program out there for sale on the market that deals with trends and information that is a good one, so I can use to add with the factors that I use so that it doesnt take forever to do it all something to make capping easier for me. I am not a pro gambler by any means but as a hobby I like to try to cap my own games so anything that can help me get better I would like to try. thanks
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                            • samserif
                              SBR Hustler
                              • 09-19-11
                              • 63

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                              Just wondering. Seems a bit of a contradiction. Does it not?
                              Nope. If someone built a framework I can use and adapt, I'd jump on it. Even if I didn't reuse the code, I'd look for design ideas, mainly in data modeling and data management.
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                              • mathdotcom
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-24-08
                                • 11689

                                #16
                                Take the Bucks +6 again tomorrow
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                                • MonkeyF0cker
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-12-07
                                  • 12144

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by samserif
                                  Nope. If someone built a framework I can use and adapt, I'd jump on it. Even if I didn't reuse the code, I'd look for design ideas, mainly in data modeling and data management.
                                  Eh? How hard is it to data model sports statistics? By the time you sifted through the other person's code and adapted it to your data, you could have coded it yourself three times over by scratch.
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                                  • Maverick22
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 04-10-10
                                    • 807

                                    #18
                                    Yup. Spoken like a true coder.
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                                    • samserif
                                      SBR Hustler
                                      • 09-19-11
                                      • 63

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                      Eh? How hard is it to data model sports statistics?
                                      Modeling statistics is simple. Modeling data, often not so simple.

                                      Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                      By the time you sifted through the other person's code and adapted it to your data, you could have coded it yourself three times over by scratch.
                                      Depends on the code, doesn't it? Who knows, maybe I'll learn something from it.
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                                      • Maverick22
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 04-10-10
                                        • 807

                                        #20
                                        It depends on how complex the code is. The design patterns used. And how good the programmer(s) were that developed the code.

                                        It is better to understand what you are writing, and write it yourself. Unless you can actually talk to the programmers, then the other code is useful
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                                        • AngryPlanets
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 01-08-12
                                          • 31

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                          Then why are you looking for open source code?
                                          Trust me, I don't need to explain myself to you, but it is not a contradiction to know what already exists before you start a project.
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                                          • Maverick22
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 04-10-10
                                            • 807

                                            #22
                                            Whose ghost are you anyhows?
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                                            • samserif
                                              SBR Hustler
                                              • 09-19-11
                                              • 63

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by AngryPlanets
                                              Trust me, I don't need to explain myself to you, but it is not a contradiction to know what already exists before you start a project.
                                              So you're saying that you're not into reinventing wheels, right?
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                                              • MonkeyF0cker
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 06-12-07
                                                • 12144

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by samserif
                                                So you're saying that you're not into reinventing wheels, right?
                                                Very hard to build a wheel without a diagram. One might even call it a "challenge."
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                                                • AngryPlanets
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 01-08-12
                                                  • 31

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by samserif
                                                  So you're saying that you're not into reinventing wheels, right?
                                                  I'm not sure what you are asking, but reinventing wheels is probably the wrong analogy.

                                                  I also build my own guitars. That doesn't mean that guitars don't already exist, or that I don't know what existing guitar manufacturers provide. I do it because it is fun and because I can make exactly what I want.

                                                  I also brew my own beer. That's doesn't mean that beers aren't readily available where I leave, or that I don't know what other brewers provide to the marketplace. I do it because it is interesting and I can make exactly what I want.
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                                                  • AngryPlanets
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 01-08-12
                                                    • 31

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                    Very hard to build a wheel without a diagram. One might even call it a "challenge."
                                                    Only for you would it be very hard to build a wheel without a diagram. That says a lot about you.
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                                                    • samserif
                                                      SBR Hustler
                                                      • 09-19-11
                                                      • 63

                                                      #27
                                                      What I meant was that many coders (as opposed to software engineers) jump into something without caring whether it's been done before, just because coding is fun, and seeing what's out there takes me away from coding!

                                                      I'm always interested in knowing whether something I want already exists. What's out there may not be exactly what I want, but it's often useful to ask, "Why was it built this way? Why was this feature omitted/included? How's the data organized and represented, and any clues as to why? Any cool ideas I can pilfer?" Sometimes I don't learn anything, other times I learn a lot.
                                                      Last edited by samserif; 01-25-12, 08:53 PM.
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                                                      • MonkeyF0cker
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 06-12-07
                                                        • 12144

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by AngryPlanets
                                                        Only for you would it be very hard to build a wheel without a diagram. That says a lot about you.
                                                        Exactly.

                                                        Wait. Who was looking for diagrams again?
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                                                        • MonkeyF0cker
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 06-12-07
                                                          • 12144

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by samserif
                                                          What I mean was that many coders (as opposed to software engineers) jump into something without caring whether it's been done before, just because coding is fun, and seeing what's out there takes me away from coding!

                                                          I'm always interested in knowing whether something I want already exists. What's out there may not be exactly what I want, but it's often useful to ask, "Why was it built this way? Why was this feature omitted/included? How's the data organized and represented, and any clues as to why? Any cool ideas I can pilfer?" Sometimes I don't learn anything, other times I learn a lot.
                                                          Then again, maybe they're experienced coders and don't care what another person did since they are perfectly capable of designing efficient algorithms and profiling their own code. Trying to sort through another person's code is nearly always more of a headache than it's worth.
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                                                          • AngryPlanets
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 01-08-12
                                                            • 31

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                            Exactly.

                                                            Wait. Who was looking for diagrams again?
                                                            (*bilnk*) I have no idea what you are talking about. Is this some sort of inside joke on this board? I have never once mentioned diagrams.
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                                                            • Maverick22
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 04-10-10
                                                              • 807

                                                              #31
                                                              Whose ghost are you? You've had six lifetime post, all in the think tank, all in this thread. The People want answers.
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                                                              • Wrecktangle
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 03-01-09
                                                                • 1524

                                                                #32
                                                                If all you want to do is code, use Elo scoring, works as well as anything else. All you need are wins and losses so harder to screw up.
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                                                                • Professor1215
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 11-28-11
                                                                  • 216

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Mathdotcom.....right about the Bucks, again. Go figure.

                                                                  Maverick....have you ever been paid to write a program for somebody, how much would one charge?

                                                                  Mods....not looking to buy anything or sell anything, just asking, for the record.
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                                                                  • Maverick22
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 04-10-10
                                                                    • 807

                                                                    #34
                                                                    If you don't count my job as a software developer, I got paid to write programs in college for under achieving students The price really depends on a gillion factors. Including but not limited to scope, timeline, complexity, how efficient of code desired.
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                                                                    • AngryPlanets
                                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                                      • 01-08-12
                                                                      • 31

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Maverick22
                                                                      Whose ghost are you? You've had six lifetime post, all in the think tank, all in this thread. The People want answers.
                                                                      I'm not a ghost account. I actually started lurking at the start of football season, and signed up at the start of basketball season so I could look at the spreadsheet everyone talked about and possibly use it to track the progress of my program's output.

                                                                      I probably wouldn't have ever posted, but I had some knowledge that I thought would help OP. I didn't realize that I was going to get drawn into arguments this quickly. I originally considered posting detailed information about my project and its predictions in hopes of maybe making it a collaborative effort, but now I see that's not how this place works

                                                                      The reason all my posts are in the think tank is because that is the only part of this board that interests me at this moment. I don't even check out the other forums, but might in the future.

                                                                      Hope this helps!
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