tips anyone?

[RaginCajun]

hey guys, can you give me any Tips on data scraping and handicapping? and also, i know people use a lot of math in gambling but really how much data needs to be collected for this math to work? i am a person geared towards math and i just wanted to know how much i had to do before i could start using the formulas for success

[Grind-It-Out]

Learn a scripting language. The more popular the language, the more widely available support will be. I personally use PHP.

Get familiar with a database. I use MySQL, which plays very nicely with PHP.

Use your favorite search engine and type in "PHP cURL screen scraping."

As for what data you should be scraping, you'll have to scour the Internet for what you think is worthwhile and what is not.

[NY Playa]

stats lie, but I say take the dog most times and you will win.

[RaginCajun]

why do u say that NY playa?

[TakeIt]

you can't beat sports with math.

[IrishTim]

you can't beat sports with math.

Then what can you beat it with?

[Sawyer]

you can't beat sports with math.

Of course you can. Math is very important in handicapping specially in basketball.

[TakeIt]

Of course you can. Math is very important in handicapping specially in basketball.

example please.

[Sawyer]

example please.

For example, In basketbal, I'm calculating game's total (based on many factors) then comparing it with bookie's line. If line difference is >4, then I pick it as a play. This way, I manage to hit %61.63 (143-89) over 230 bets last season in NBA. (You can check out Statfox for more info)

[TakeIt]

For example, In basketbal, I'm calculating game's total (based on many factors) then comparing it with bookie's line. If line difference is >4, then I pick it as a play. This way, I manage to hit %61.63 (143-89) over 230 bets last season in NBA. (You can check out Statfox for more info)

(based on many factors) are all of these "many factors" math based?

[RaginCajun]

Hey Takeit, can u give me some good math concepts that I can use in gambling. Or where can I find those? I wanna gamble on nba and soccer

[roasthawg]

Simplehtmldom for PHP makes scraping pretty easy.

[TakeIt]

Hey Takeit, can u give me some good math concepts that I can use in gambling. Or where can I find those? I wanna gamble on nba and soccer

if you could win at gambling using math alone, it would be a simple matter to walk into any casino and come out ahead betting at craps, roulette or baccarat. but you can't do that.

why would it be any different for sports betting?

it takes more than just plain math...a lot more.

[djiddish98]

if you could win at gambling using math alone, it would be a simple matter to walk into any casino and come out ahead betting at craps, roulette or baccarat. but you can't do that.

why would it be any different for sports betting?

it takes more than just plain math...a lot more.

Because casino games aren't setup with rigged dice that only the players are aware of.

Not the same in sports betting.

[TakeIt]

Because casino games aren't setup with rigged dice that only the players are aware of.

if the dice are rigged in sports betting, then that's got nothing to do with math.

[djiddish98]

if the dice are rigged in sports betting, then that's got nothing to do with math.

It was an analogy.

With casino games they know that they have a positive house edge on almost every player that walks in.

That is not the case with sports betting, and that's why we all congregate to forums like this.

And it primarily has to do with math in one shade or another.

[TakeIt]

It was an analogy.

With casino games they know that they have a positive house edge on almost every player that walks in.

That is not the case with sports betting, and that's why we all congregate to forums like this.

And it primarily has to do with math in one shade or another.

i still stand by what i said. you can't beat sports with math alone. if you could, i would be rich.

[Indecent]

del

[Grind-It-Out]

i still stand by what i said. you can't beat sports with math alone. if you could, i would be rich.

You can't beat sports without math either.

[Ruifgalmeida]

if you could win at gambling using math alone, it would be a simple matter to walk into any casino and come out ahead betting at craps, roulette or baccarat. but you can't do that.

Math can tell you that you can beat a casino in blackjack table and math can tell you cant beat a casino in roullete.
In sports betting you need a bit a both math and knowing about sports dinamic, but I know people who can beat sports beting with math alone.

[TakeIt]

but I know people who can beat sports beting with math alone.

how?

[Ruifgalmeida]

stats analisis, computer simulation, with that alone you can find small hedge on some bets.
The wizard of odds only uses math and we find a 2% edge on over/under in MLB assuming that the games had a average of 9runs.

Ps-I am not a math guy, but if you want to beat a bookie you have too use math.

[Grind-It-Out]

how?

If you want to get super technical about it, then no, sports can't be beaten solely with math.

If you can't read, then you won't be able to tell which team to bet on. If you can't type (or speak), then you won't be able to place your bet.

[dugbug15]

for pick-6 fans. the carryover amount of $14,951 is at indiana downs today(07/14/2010).this is the last day of the meet.the pick-6 total must be given out today to all those who have the most winners on their pick-6 ticket.worh a try i would say. good luck.

p.s. the top jockey for the meet is decided today.contenders are victor lebron,goncalves,and,francisco torres.very close between these three. maybe a handicapping angle ?

[Ruifgalmeida]

for pick-6 fans. the carryover amount of $14,951 is at indiana downs today(07/14/2010).this is the last day of the meet.the pick-6 total must be given out today to all those who have the most winners on their pick-6 ticket.worh a try i would say. good luck.

p.s. the top jockey for the meet is decided today.contenders are victor lebron,goncalves,and,francisco torres.very close between these three. maybe a handicapping angle ?

off topic no??

[u21c3f6]

off topic no??

I don't think it is off topic as it relates to the math issue.

Some (many) years ago when Jai Alai was more popular with decent size trifecta pools, math "told" me that playing the twin-tri on mandatory payout day (every Sunday) was a +EV wager especially when one wagered on certain tri combinations which either hit more frequently and/or were underbet more frequently which was also derived by math.

Joe.

[jetsjets1028]

2x2=4

[dirk93]

For data scraping, macros in excel work decently well. You have to format it a little but it works

[RaginCajun]

how so?

[LT Profits]

you can't beat sports with math.

Math is a NECESSITY when deciding whether or not to make a play, as you have to be able to compare the expected odds of the play winning with the implied odds offered.

[Maverick22]

Math is a NECESSITY when deciding whether or not to make a play, as you have to be able to compare the expected odds of the play winning with the implied odds offered.

LT, Why even entertain them? I could see if they were trying to understand using math, say if they were on the fence. Most of these comments seem to be from the perspective of "my way is right, so do it that way"

Someone has to pay the winning players money Why not let it be them?

[Grind-It-Out]

LT, Why even entertain them? I could see if they were trying to understand using math, say if they were on the fence. Most of these comments seem to be from the perspective of "my way is right, so do it that way"

Someone has to pay the winning players money Why not let it be them?

[TakeIt]

Math is a NECESSITY when deciding whether or not to make a play, as you have to be able to compare the expected odds of the play winning with the implied odds offered.

i'm not saying that math isn't necessary to play the game. what i am saying is that you can't use math and only math to make money betting sports.

[Grind-It-Out]

i'm not saying that math isn't necessary to play the game. what i am saying is that you can't use math and only math to make money betting sports.

Like I mentioned earlier, it really depends how technical you want to get when saying that.

I've been successful for the past 3 years. Granted, I'm not filthy rich, but I do better than the break even point.

Do I understand the basics of the games I bet on? Absolutely. But I don't know the difference between a splitter and a curveball. I couldn't draw up a basketball play to save my life. I always get confused of the difference between fade and post routes, etc.

[ScreaminPain]

you can't beat sports with math.

What a ridiculous statement! Lines are determined with "math", for Christsakes, gambling in almost every from is "math". Geeez!