Sports Insights Service

[Pair of 5s Sir]

Does anybody have any comments on the Sports Insights service. On the surface it appears to be comprehensive. Any users?

[diogee]

Use it everyday and would be lost without it. I use the premium instead of the premium pro since I didn't use their alerts when I had premium pro. Great for line shopping across whatever books you choose (and see which way certain books are leaning). You get to choose 9 books and also have it display the opening lines of a book of your choice. I watch lines a lot as well so it comes in handy. Injury report through them isn't bad although the updates are a little behind services like sportoptions.

[Pair of 5s Sir]

Use it everyday and would be lost without it. I use the premium instead of the premium pro since I didn't use their alerts when I had premium pro. Great for line shopping across whatever books you choose (and see which way certain books are leaning). You get to choose 9 books and also have it display the opening lines of a book of your choice. I watch lines a lot as well so it comes in handy. Injury report through them isn't bad although the updates are a little behind services like sportoptions.

Thanks Diogee, my thoughts were the premium also. I don't like these auto alert plays, it puts you in a helpless situation were you don't have any say other than should I wager on or not. Are there any cancellation issues if it does not work out?

[diogee]

Thanks Diogee, my thoughts were the premium also. I don't like these auto alert plays, it puts you in a helpless situation were you don't have any say other than should I wager on or not. Are there any cancellation issues if it does not work out?

Even with the premium you can have the alerts turned off and go into their various pages to view their steam alerts/smart money alerts but I found that swayed my capping quite a bit whenever I would look at them so basically I would struggle to decide to go with the green alert or with my own judgment.


Not sure on the cancellation issues but they do offer a free month long trial of premium pro from time to time. I did the free month before deciding to keep it...you can pay for 1 month at a time and there are discounts offered if you want to pay for more than 1 month at a time.

[Pair of 5s Sir]

Even with the premium you can have the alerts turned off and go into their various pages to view their steam alerts/smart money alerts but I found that swayed my capping quite a bit whenever I would look at them so basically I would struggle to decide to go with the green alert or with my own judgment.


Not sure on the cancellation issues but they do offer a free month long trial of premium pro from time to time. I did the free month before deciding to keep it...you can pay for 1 month at a time and there are discounts offered if you want to pay for more than 1 month at a time.

Again thanks. I believe that this service will be helpful using my contrarian strategies. I will be posting MLB starting May 1st. Hope to see you in the threads.

You have been most helpful.

[diogee]

Not a problem at all. I am usually a contrarian as well and would rather fade a streak than follow one. All the best in the baseball season...I'll be sure to stop by.

[Formulawiz]

Does anybody have any comments on the Sports Insights service. On the surface it appears to be comprehensive. Any users?

Several individuals I know have tried Sports Insights service over the past 2 years and you can expect the results to be poor at best. There is no way to determine whether you should be with the public or against them and to be honest it will only confuse you. There is no consistency at all and be prepared to hit between 50% to 52%. Secondly there are several sports services that offer this option along with line movements and its free such as Vegas Insider, just surf the internet and youll find them all.

[SportsInsights]

We try to make it as clear as possible that we support betting against the public. We've published articles on this topic dating back to 2003. We update the bet against results at the beginning of the season and mid-way. These article explain the optimal threshold to bet against the public, ie 70% works the best for MLB, while NFL works better around 65%. I started a thread on betting against the public in MLB earlier in the week. We gather betting percentage from 7 online sportsbook. VegasInsider and other copy cat sites will display betting % from 1 book. As far as line updates, we're within 2-3 secs of DonBest or SportsOptions for the major books like CRIS, Olympic, Pinn.

Dan

[Pair of 5s Sir]

Several individuals I know have tried Sports Insights service over the past 2 years and you can expect the results to be poor at best. There is no way to determine whether you should be with the public or against them and to be honest it will only confuse you. There is no consistency at all and be prepared to hit between 50% to 52%. Secondly there are several sports services that offer this option along with line movements and its free such as Vegas Insider, just surf the internet and youll find them all.

I appreciate you input, I was not looking to use their premium service where you get the "plays". Was looking just to have something to assist in where the action was going %'s. You have talked me away from it a little>

[austintx05]

fading the public is for lazy people. However props to SI, they took a simple theory and learned how to make money off of it.

[Wrecktangle]

fading the public is for lazy people.

Yeah, and thank God for 'em. The lazy faders have "bought" me back when I missed the earlier move.

[austintx05]

Yeah, and thank God for 'em. The lazy faders have "bought" me back when I missed the earlier move.

in all honesty, I don't mean to offend anyone who believes in this theory, but to me its just a theory. I've given my run to systems. Seen a bunch, heard a bunch of theories too. I've seen some people post 50 unit mlb season by fading the public, I've also seen people post 46% seasons in football doing it too. Thats too inconsistent for me. I've come to the conclusion that if you want to win, you have to have a money management strategy and work hard. There is no theory that sets you apart from the rest. Reduced juice will help your cause too.

[Wrecktangle]

austin, not sure wots so funny, this happens all the time in NFL sides. An example: I establish my line on Tuesday. I "think" I have enough info by Wed with some injury data in, but maybe not enough so I wait, line moves against me, I wait, on Sunday, when I've got everything in, the line happens to move back due to steam, faders, square action, etc, etc, I don't give a rats a$$ what, and I hit my minimum. The point is, I originate my line, I know what I want, and I wait to get it, or move on to another situation.

It ain't no Theory.

[Pair of 5s Sir]

I have signed up for the basic Sports Insight service to take a look at the basic picture. I am slowing warming up to it but I am not sold. Others, please weigh in.

[so im zach]

Since I just have the basic service on SI, I normally compare them with Sportsbook Spy.

http://pregame.com/EN/main/sports-betting-stats/sportsbook-spy-insights/

[SportsInsights]

so im zach,

Pregame will not tell you what sportsbooks they are using. I'm pretty sure it's just the freely available sportsbooks like Sportsbook.com, Carib, and WagerWeb. We also include these sportsbooks plus another 4. We're running a promo for a trial week. I'm going to post a link to it in SBR's Promo section.

Dan

[Casi]

Hmm i have a comment...i cannot use my non-american credit card to pay there.

[SportsInsights]

You should be able to use any valid credit card regardless of country. Are you getting an payment error?

[Peep]

Thanks Dan.

I am dropping Don Best for the summer, so I will give you guys a try.

[Peep]

Got signed up, that was easy.

Don't you guys show running scores anywheres? The only scores I found were under scores, and those appear to be static after they are opened.

[Pair of 5s Sir]

I took Sports Insights up on their premium pro service free for 7 days. I am starting to like what I see. Takes a little getting acquainted and to see what pick plays are within ones strategies. I called customer service a couple of times and they were very helpful with good service.

[LT Profits]

Got signed up, that was easy.

Don't you guys show running scores anywheres? The only scores I found were under scores, and those appear to be static after they are opened.

Under Live Odds

[Peep]

Thanks LT, found it.

[Johnny 55]

Is this place worth the money. How are the arb alerts and middle opportunity alerts.

[Pokerjoe]

From your website, your list of available books.
No CRIS/Bookmaker?
Yet don't you have them available as a steam-move indicator?

Online Sportsbooks (Real-Time)

• Pinnacle
• 5Dimes
• WSEX
• Olympic (TheGreek)
• ABC
• Catalina
• BetUS
• Sportsbook.com
• SportsInteraction (SIA)
• Canbet
• Bodog
• Sportbet
• Skybook
• BetAtlas
• BetJamaica
• CaribSports
• WagerWeb
• Legendz
• ThePig NEW!
• BetMania NEW!
• Phoenix NEW!
• BetOnline NEW!
• Bet365 NEW!
• Sbobet NEW!

[SportsInsights]

We do offer CRIS's odds

[Betz]

Just my opinion, sports insights doesn't even come close to showmetheodds, plus, showmetheodds is free!

[Johnny 55]

I have been a member of Sports Insights for 3 weeks and I cannot recommend it to anyone else. Their lines are slow and inaccurate. They do not have enough books, SBR Lines has more book offerings, what a joke. The alert systems just do not work. The surebet alert hasnt worked once for me in three weeks and I can see the arbs just by looking at the live odds page. I brought this up to the person on chat and he said that it was because their system had not yet adjusted to Matchbook's new baseball commission structure. Huh, it has been 6 months and it didnt even explain all the other arbs they are missing. Anyways, I am trying to get my money back and I feel like they are a bait and switch organization who advertises one thing and gives you a completely different and far inferior product.

[SportsInsights]

Johnny 55,
Every story has two sides. I'll try to address your concerns one by one. Johnny55 has been a member fo SI since Aug 20th that would be 5 week. We offer odds from 40+ sportsbooks. SBR offers odds from 10 sportsbooks. Our updates will best SBRlines for all the major market setting sportsbooks. But please don't take my word for it. We suggest anyone reading this post compare our service to anything currently available. This week we’re offering a free 7 day trial of our odds service. You be the judge.

As far as our Surebets feature, we explained to Johnny55 that our Surebet system still used Matchbook books old commission calc. We would have our development staff address this issue in our next software revision. Johnny55 continued to use our product for 5 week, and then requested a refund. We immediately issued a partial refund. Had he requested a refund within his first couple weeks I would have granted him a full refund. I’m not sure what happened between week 1 when he know Matchbook arbs use the old commission calc and week 5.

Johnny55, I'm sorry that you were unhappy with our product. Our goal at Sports Insights since I founded the company in 1999 has always been to help sports bettors, not to take advantage of them. I really wish you had contacted us earlier and requested a refund when you know our Surebet calc didn’t meet your requirements. We could have easily avoided this issue. But hopefully you can at least see our side of the argument.

Regards,
Dan

[dimon]

Yeah man, I also wanted to try this service

[aca]

SBR offers odds from 10 sportsbooks.

28, accurately!

[Johnny 55]

Dan, Sports Insights- Lets talk about the two sides to every story by addressing your completely false points one by one.

1.) Sports Insights offers 26 online sportsbooks to view odds from and SBR Lines offers 28, SBR is free. Your feeds to 5 Dimes are always wrong as they are for ABC and others.

2.) As for your Surebets feature, you are just lying. I signed up on August 20th and was in the process of moving and then I started actually using the Sports Insights service in the middle of September as your records would indicate if you bothered to check them because I never turned on the surebet, steam play, smart money play alerts etc, until that time. The first time I used them in mid-September I pointed out the problems with the Matchbook commission structure to the live help people who told me they were working on fixing the issue but they never did and never got back to me. Not only was your matchbook commisson structure off but your surebet alert system just doesnt work, I could log on right now and find arbs on your live odds page that are never sent to me by email or pop up alert, especially pop up alert because I never got one of them. Also, I never got one middle opportunity alert even though they are advertised as a betting system.

So to say I continued using the product is just erroneous, I have no use for using something that doesnt work, it does me no good.

My argument is that you advertise a product you do not deliver, your alerts just dont work, the pop-ups dont work and the surebets dont work. If you want to say I used your product without complaining earlier, this is also just not true, I brought the problem to your attention the first day I set my alert system.

This argument isnt about money, you can refund my $249 of the $349 and I am fine with that. You can keep $100 for my so-called use of your site. I just think this product could help sports bettors if it worked. Any honest, objective person reading these posts who wants to spend money at Sports Insights has to ask themselves: "If it takes 6 months for them to figure out the surebet alert software's math system is off because it fails to take into account matchbook's commission structure and they didnt figure it out themselves, I had to point it out to them, how good is the rest of their site and how is it run.

2.)

[jon13009]

Looks like a good service, but you have to pay.....
Sites that give you basic data from limited books may be useful to small time bettor:

see:

http://www.thespread.com/ncaa-college-football-public-betting-chart

http://www.thespread.com/nfl-football-public-betting-chart

http://www.thespread.com/nfl-football-public-betting-chart

for free Sports Insights data.

I use this service to try and spot reverse-line moves and apply a criteria to look for good bets.

Why?

http://ltprofits.mysbrforum.com/blog/0748-reverse-line-movements-lead-big-profits.html

My criteria is:
Public bets less than 30% bet on a team (near 3000 bets made)
Reverse lines of 1.0 points or more (eg -5(open) to -6, +4(open) to +3).
Ideal RLM > 1.5 points
Spreads should be less than 17 points (1.5+ RLMs for greater than 17 points)
and is a home team.

Exampes this week may be:
Michigan State (v. Michigan at home)
Public bets: 24% bet on MSU (4205 bets)
Line (open at +2 to 0 (current)) RLM of 2 points.

and

Texas A&M (v. Arkansas at home)
Public bets: 23% bet on A&M (3374 bets)
Line (open at +2 to +1 (current)) RLM 1 point.

But you have to watch how the public betting changes and how the line moves as well, and hope this holds up to game time....

An attempt at this late year:

http://www.nflindex.com/rlm.html

GL

[jon13009]

NFL
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Pittsburgh (v. SD at PIT) 31% (7448 bets) -5 (open) to -6.5 : RLM 1.5

NCAA
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Vanderbilt (v. Miss at VAN) 32% (1839 bets - low) +9.5 (open) to +8.5 : RLM 1.0
Ball St. (v. Toledo at BSU) 22% (1037 bets - low) +7 (open) to +4.5 : RLM 2.5
Maryland (v. Clemson at UMD) 15% (1835 bets - low) +13.5 (open) to 12.5 : RLM 1.0
Buffalo (v. Cent Mich at BUF) 16% (1475 bets - low) +9 open) to +7.5 : RLM 1.5
Michigan St (v. Mich at MSU) 24% (5731 bet) +2 open to -2.5 : RLM 4.5 (!?)
Kentucky (v. ALA at UK) 17% (4508 bets) +17 to +16 : RLM 1.0
Virginia (v. North Carolina at UNC) 30% (1698 bets - low) +14 (open) to +12 : RLM 2.0

Texas A&M (v. ARK at TAM) 40% (3250 bets) - over 30% -

[JELLYBEAN]

waste of your money. There is no easy was to win at sportsbetting. You have to do your own work. That is the bottom line.