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  • EmpireMaker
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    • 06-18-09
    • 15562

    #386
    The Mets were one of the league’s most active teams before the lockout, and a significant portion of their early-offseason work came in the outfield. Just hours after agreeing to terms with corner outfielder Mark Canha on a two-year deal, the Mets reached an accord with center fielder Starling Marte on a four-year pact.
    Despite that ample activity, new manager Buck Showalter said he and general manager Billy Eppler haven’t ruled out the possibility of further additions. “[The outfield] is something we have talked about, where we are,” Showalter told reporters (including Mike Puma of the New York Post) at New York’s minor league camp this afternoon. “We are on the same page with everything where that is concerned. It’s a scenario that we are examining to see if we feel comfortable with it. We’re always going to look within first.
    That’s obviously well short of a declaration that the Mets definitely will add outfield help whenever the transactions freeze concludes. Yet it’s notable they’re at least keeping that door open despite plenty of in-house options. Canha seems the presumptive favorite for work in left field, while Marte looks likely to play center field. That’d push Brandon Nimmo to right, although the Mets incumbent center fielder doesn’t seem enamored with that alignment.
    Speaking with Tim Healey of Newsday this week, Nimmo suggested he’d prefer to remain in center field. The 28-year-old pointed out that public metrics like Defensive Runs Saved and Statcast’s Outs Above Average both graded him as a plus there last season. It was Nimmo’s best defensive performance in the estimation of those statistics, and a marked improvement over his -5 DRS and -4 OAA from 2020. Nimmo suggested that uptick is evidence that “if you give me information, if you allow me to make the adjustments, I will give it everything I got. I was very, very proud of the difference in the numbers from ’20 to ’21 and doing what they asked me to do and improving there.”
    Nimmo, who is entering his final year of arbitration eligibility, also acknowledged to Healey that playing center field could be an added bonus as he’s on track to hit free agency next winter. The former first-round pick said he’d be open to discussing an extension with the Mets after the lockout but said the team and his representatives at the Boras Corporation hadn’t begun those discussions in the first stages of the offseason.
    Whether the Mets will oblige Nimmo’s desire to stick in center, of course, remains an open question. He’d have little recourse other to play a corner outfield spot if the Mets penciled him into the lineup there, and he tells Healey he’s willing to do whatever the team asks anyhow. Yet it’s clear from his comments that Nimmo values the opportunity to continue playing up the middle, so Showalter and his staff will need to determine how they want to arrange that group on a regular basis. Marte was an excellent left fielder earlier in his career, but he’s not started a single game outside of center since 2017. There’s little doubt he could successfully readapt to a corner spot if necessary, but the Mets may prefer their defensive alignment with Marte up the middle and Nimmo in a corner.
    As Showalter suggested today, there’s also the possibility of additional changes from a personnel perspective. New York could look into further free agent or trade pickups, although it seems likelier those would be of a depth variety given the moves they’ve already made. The Mets also have a trio of high-profile trade candidates with corner outfield experience. Each of Jeff McNeil, J.D. Davis and Dominic Smith has played left or right field in years past. They’d presumably be options to see some time out there again, but the Mets could look to move one or more members of that group after the lockout.
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    • jrgum3
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      • 07-21-17
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      #387
      Originally posted by JMobile
      That's what I read too. Yikes
      Spring Training got postponed until March 5th. Hopefully the season doesn't get shortened but maybe talks will heat up especially now that Spring Training has been shortened.
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      • stevenash
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        • 01-17-11
        • 65167

        #388
        Originally posted by jrgum3
        Spring Training got postponed until March 5th. Hopefully the season doesn't get shortened but maybe talks will heat up especially now that Spring Training has been shortened.
        That's my deadline too.
        March 5th, tell me something with substance or I walk away for good.

        1) Never again with all this bullshit
        3) 30 teams, 40 man rosters, +200 top prospects.
        That's 1400 players a year, every year I have to keep tabs on, too much for a sport that's really pissing me off now.
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        • JAKEPEAVY21
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          • 03-11-11
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          #389
          Originally posted by Cross
          Going to be in Scottsdale end of March regardless, so hoping they figure this out.
          Not convinced any spring training will be going on at that time...
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          • JMobile
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            • 08-21-10
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            #390
            Originally posted by jrgum3
            Spring Training got postponed until March 5th. Hopefully the season doesn't get shortened but maybe talks will heat up especially now that Spring Training has been shortened.
            Dodgers going to the WS with a short season
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            • Cross
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              • 04-15-11
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              #391
              Sad state of affairs, just need baseball.
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              • jrgum3
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                • 07-21-17
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                #392
                Originally posted by stevenash
                That's my deadline too.
                March 5th, tell me something with substance or I walk away for good.

                1) Never again with all this bullshit
                3) 30 teams, 40 man rosters, +200 top prospects.
                That's 1400 players a year, every year I have to keep tabs on, too much for a sport that's really pissing me off now.
                I could never walk away for good unfortunately. Baseball was always my first love and nothing has changed that not even a fifth work stoppage since I've been alive.
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                • EmpireMaker
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                  • 06-18-09
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                  #393
                  Tommy Pham is one of the many free agents still without a contract for 2022, and the lockout has only added to the uncertainty facing Pham’s market following a pair of underwhelming seasons with the Padres. However, Pham is looking to increase his positional value, with The Tampa Bay Times’ Marc Topkin writing that the veteran outfielder is “open to playing first base if needed.”
                  Specifically, Pham said he would be interested in playing first base in a second stint with the Rays, as Pham played in Tampa during the 2018-19 seasons. The Rays are known to be looking for a right-handed hitting first base option, and a reunion with Pham would be a creative way of addressing that need. It stands to reason that if Pham is willing to take on a new position with the Rays, he is also willing to pick up a first base glove with other contenders who might come calling, and perhaps non-contenders as well.
                  Pham took a frank view of his pending free agency last September, saying that “I didn’t play well enough” in 2021 and that he was “fully prepared to take a one-year deal and reestablish my market.” Pham was still a slightly above-average hitter in the view of wRC+ (102) and OPS+ (103), as he batted .229/.340/.383 with 15 home runs over 561 plate appearances with San Diego. That kind of production and playing time is itself an impressive accomplishment considering that Pham was coming off a terrifying stabbing incident in October 2020 that threatened his life.
                  A case can be made that Pham was pretty unlucky at the plate last year, considering that his .354 xwOBA was significantly higher than his .318 wOBA. Between that glaring differential and his still solid hard-contact numbers, Pham could well be a bounce-back candidate to watch in 2022. In fact, he seems exactly like the type of relatively inexpensive veteran the Rays would traditionally target in free agency, as the team would bet that a healthy Pham could match or better the production of a player with a heftier price tag.
                  Pham played 37 games at shortstop in his very first season of pro ball, way back in 2006 with the Cardinals’ rookie ball affiliate. Since then, he has exclusively played in the outfield, and mostly in left field since the start of the 2019 season. Among the publicly available statistics for measuring defense, the Outs Above Average metric has been very down (-17) on Pham’s left field glovework over the last three seasons, while UZR/150 (-1.1) and Defensive Runs Saved (-3.3) are at least passable, if trending downward.
                  With this in mind, a change in positions might be a logical pivot for a veteran player looking to extend his career. Pham turns 34 in March, and he’d need a big year at the plate (no matter the position) to line himself up for a nice multi-year contract next winter, if he does indeed opt for just a one-year contract during this trip to the open market. While health issues have hampered Pham over the last two years, he isn’t far removed from a very strong five-year stretch of hitting .277/.373/.472 over 2110 PA with the Cardinals and Rays from 2015-19.
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                  • JAKEPEAVY21
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                    • 03-11-11
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                    #394
                    Originally posted by Cross
                    Sad state of affairs, just need baseball.
                    Seems like a longshot that both sides will bridge the gap anytime soon...
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                    • Otters27
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                      #395
                      Shorten season. How many games?
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                      • stevenash
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                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65167

                        #396
                        Originally posted by Otters27
                        Shorten season. How many games?
                        Anything less than 140 would be unacceptable.
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                        • jrgum3
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                          • 07-21-17
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                          #397
                          Originally posted by Otters27
                          Shorten season. How many games?
                          Hard to say but they did shorten Spring Training already. It was supposed to start next week now it'll start March 5. Hopefully they start the season March 31st as planned but it's not looking good for that to happen. I agree with Nasher if they don't get at least 140 games in this year then its unacceptable.
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                          • JMobile
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                            • 08-21-10
                            • 19070

                            #398
                            More talks taking place on Monday.
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                            • Cross
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                              #399
                              Jersey assurance through AMX is genius.
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                              • EmpireMaker
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                                • 06-18-09
                                • 15562

                                #400
                                As Charlie Morton continues to recover from a fractured fibula, the veteran righty said last week that he is “mostly caught up” to where he’d be physically at this point in a normal offseason, The Athletic’s David O’Brien writes. Morton did caution that he wouldn’t know for sure until he actually got back to regular action in a Spring Training environment, though for now, all seems good for Morton as he approaches his 15th Major League season. Still in fine form last year, Morton was a big contributor to the Braves’ championship team, though the righty’s participation in the World Series was limited to just 2 1/3 innings after he was hit in the leg by a ball off the bat of Yuli Gurriel during Game One. Three of Morton’s seven outs were recorded after the injury, as Morton gutted out the pain as long as he could.
                                Assuming Morton is healthy, he’ll represent one less question mark for an Atlanta roster that is already largely set (with the obvious exception of first base and the Freddie Freeman situation). With the lockout now forcing some type of shortened or even a rushed Spring Training, this could play to the Braves’ favor, as they already have a familiar chemistry between the coaching staff and the players, plus most of the World Series-winning core group will be returning.
                                More from the NL East…
                                • Mets prospect Matt Allan underwent ulnar nerve transposition surgery in January, the right-hander told The New York Daily News’ Deesha Thosar and other reporters. The procedure shouldn’t have much impact on Allan’s overall timeline for getting back onto the mound, as Allan was already expected to miss most or possibly all of the 2022 season after undergoing Tommy John surgery last May. There is still a chance Allan could make it back this year, and he is making good progress in his TJ recovery, with Allan slated to start playing catch in about two weeks’ time. Allan (who turns 21 in April) was a third-round pick in the 2019 draft and was included in several top-100 prospects lists prior to the start of the 2021 season.
                                • With Ryan Zimmerman’s retirement, the Nationals have a need for another first baseman to complement Josh Bell, and MASNsports.com’s Bobby Blanco figures the team will replace Zimmerman with another veteran free agent. There’s a chance Washington might look at an internal option but none really stand out. Mike Ford is a player who somewhat bridges both worlds, as he was a National before the club non-tendered him in November, and Blanco wonders if the Nats might re-sign Ford at a lower price tag when the lockout is over.
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                                • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                  • 03-11-11
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                                  #401
                                  Originally posted by Cross
                                  Jersey assurance through AMX is genius.
                                  You can trade in your Baez jersey....
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                                  • stevenash
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                                    • 01-17-11
                                    • 65167

                                    #402
                                    Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association met on Thursday for their latest bargaining session, during which the union made a counterproposal in response to the league’s proposal that was made last Saturday.


                                    The MLBPA altered two items in its core economic proposal, both involving players in the pre-arbitration service class.


                                    The first involved expanding Super 2 eligibility to the top 80 percent of players with two-plus years of service time, a leap from the 22 percent in the current system. The MLBPA had been asking for 100 percent of the players with two years of service time to become arbitration-eligible, though the league has maintained all along that the issue is a non-starter.


                                    In addition, the MLBPA raised its ask for a pre-arbitration bonus pool from $100 million to $115 million -- which is $10 million more than players initially asked for.

                                    MLB’s most recent proposal included movement on a number of core economic issues, including minimum salary, the pre-arbitration bonus pool, the Competitive Balance Tax and service-time manipulation.

                                    With Spring Training already delayed -- camps had been scheduled to open this week -- the calendar remains an issue as the two sides continue to try hammering out a new agreement in an effort to get players back on the field.



                                    “We’re doing everything we can to get a deal done for our fans,” Commissioner Rob Manfred said last Thursday at the conclusion of the Owners’ Meetings. “You're always one breakthrough away from making an agreement. That's the art of this process.”

                                    MLB’s current proposal included a pair of systems regarding minimum salary: one with a single minimum of $630,000 (which would not be capped, allowing clubs to give discretionary raises), the other with a tiered salary scale ($615,000/$650,000/$725,000) that would be fixed.

                                    The $59,500 increase from 2021 to 2022 in the first plan would nearly match the increase ($63,000) over the five years of the entire prior CBA. In the latter, players would receive a 16% raise ($278,500) over their first three years of service under this plan -- and that’s not factoring in a pre-arbitration bonus pool.

                                    MLB has offered a $15 million pre-arbitration bonus pool, which would include forming a Joint Committee with the MLBPA to develop a mutually agreeable WAR statistic to allocate the pool’s funds. Under this system, players such as Corbin Burnes, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Jonathan India, Austin Riley and Randy Arozarena would have seen their salaries jump between 200-400 percent in 2021. On average, the top 30 pre-arbitration players would have increased their salaries by 74% under this proposal.

                                    As for the CBT, MLB’s most recent offer included a $2 million bump in the threshold in 2024 ($216 million), 2025 ($218 million) and 2026 ($222 million). The offer also withdrew the proposal for clubs to forfeit Draft picks for passing the first threshold, with Draft-pick forfeiture limited to teams that exceed a $234 million payroll.

                                    MLB’s proposal also eliminates recidivism, creating more year-to-year consistency in both team payrolls and competitive balance. Some teams in the past that have cut payroll in an effort to stay below the tax threshold in order to “reset” their penalty scale, have followed with massive spending sprees; ending recidivism would result in the restraint of runaway spending, which would help competitive balance.

                                    “We have moved towards the players on key areas in an effort to address their concerns,” Manfred said last Thursday. “Under our proposal on the table, every single pre-arbitration player would be better off than under the previous agreement.”

                                    Other issues being offered by MLB include an NBA-style Draft lottery, the universal designated hitter, increased Rule 4 Draft signing bonus values, a first-ever limit on the number of times a player can be optioned in a season (five), and improvements to the health benefits package. MLB is also seeking to expand the postseason to 14 teams, while the MLBPA has only offered a 12-team format.

                                    Prior to this negotiation, MLB was already the only major North American sport without a salary cap, with guaranteed contracts worth $300 million and no limits on the length of contracts players can sign.

                                    The current deal being offered by MLB includes a number of concessions that would benefit players in every service category. For draftees, the signing bonus pool would be increased more than $20 million per year, while pre-arbitration players would gain more than $200 million in additional compensation over the term of the agreement.

                                    Prior to Thursday, the MLBPA had not moved from its November proposal on any of the core issues including minimum salaries, Super 2 eligibility, the competitive balance tax threshold, and the size of both a Draft lottery and an expanded postseason. Thursday marked a slight move in Super 2 eligibility, though one unlikely to move the sides toward a new agreement.

                                    The MLBPA’s latest proposal did not move on the Competitive Balance Tax, service-time manipulation, minimum salaries, Draft pick compensation, or the Draft lottery.

                                    The regular season is scheduled to begin on March 31.




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                                    • Otters27
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                                      #403
                                      Such Drama until both sides start losing money then a deal will be made real quick
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                                      • JMobile
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                                        • 08-21-10
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                                        #404
                                        Whenever the lockdown is over, Mets looking to offer Juan Soto a contract valued at $500 million
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                                        • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                          #405
                                          Cross, minny fatty thinks he is the cat's meow at tennis...this could be a good opportunity for some easy money
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                                          • Cross
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                                            • 04-15-11
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                                            #406
                                            Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                            Cross, minny fatty thinks he is the cat's meow at tennis...this could be a good opportunity for some easy money
                                            send him my way, ask him how much of a handicap he wants and we can put 5 large on it if he wants.
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                                            • jrgum3
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                                              • 07-21-17
                                              • 7005

                                              #407
                                              Originally posted by Otters27
                                              Such Drama until both sides start losing money then a deal will be made real quick
                                              They talked for 5 hours Monday and nothing remotely close to progress got made. Once we get closer to the start of the season maybe talks will get serious but it's not looking good right now.
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                                              • EmpireMaker
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                                                • 06-18-09
                                                • 15562

                                                #408
                                                If you were to sit down and make a list of the best pitchers in baseball from 2010-16, you’d be hard-pressed not to include Johnny Cueto in some capacity. The two-time All-Star finished among the top six in National League Cy Young voting three times in that stretch, including a runner-up finish to Clayton Kershaw in 2014. He received at least one down-ballot MVP vote in all three of those seasons as well. From 2010-16, Cueto turned in a 2.86 ERA, a 20.6% strikeout rate (at a time when that number was much more impressive than it is in 2022) and a terrific 6.2% walk rate. Cueto was viewed as a No. 1 or No. 2 starter, and rightly so. He ranked fourth out of 228 qualified starting pitchers in ERA during that time, and his 1294 2/3 innings were the 16th-most in baseball.
                                                Given that context, it’s no surprise that Cueto hit the open market as one of the most in-demand free agents in the game following the 2015 season. He’d struggled a bit following his trade from Cincinnati to Kansas City, but Cueto’s final impression on the Royals was a two-hit, one-run complete game in Game 2 of the World Series, which the Royals won 7-1. Not a bad way to set out into free agency for the first time.
                                                Cueto’s six-year, $132MM contract with the Giants made him the third-highest-paid pitcher of the 2015-16 offseason, trailing only David Price and Zack Greinke’s pair of $200MM+ deals (and beating MLBTR’s expectations by a year in the process). For the first year of his contract, the signing looked quite strong. Cueto hurled 219 2/3 innings of 2.79 ERA ball, made the All-Star team, and enjoyed both Cy Young and MVP votes in his first year with San Francisco. The Giants’ “even-year” dynasty was cut short at three years (2010, 2012, 2014) — but not for any fault of Cueto’s. He made one appearance in the playoffs that winter and took a brutal complete-game loss that saw him allow just one run on three hits and no walks with 10 strikeouts against the eventual-champion Cubs.
                                                Cueto missed a handful of starts in 2017 due to an ongoing blister issue and wasn’t at his best when healthy. His 4.52 ERA that year was his worst since his rookie campaign back in 2008, and it was a particularly poorly-timed slump, as Cueto could’ve opted out of the final four years of his contract and tested the market a second time, had he turned in another healthy season of Cy-caliber results. Ankle and elbow injuries wound up hobbling Cueto in 2018, and by August of that season, he was headed for Tommy John surgery. Cueto returned late in the 2019 season and tossed 16 pedestrian innings, and his work in the shortened 2020 campaign was the worst of his career (5.40 ERA, career-high walk rate).
                                                Expectations for Cueto were light heading into the 2021 season, then, which made his rebound effort with the Giants something of a pleasant surprise. Cueto missed nearly a month with a lat strain and was on the IL for much of September with an elbow strain. The latter of those two injuries is particularly concerning, since we didn’t see much from Cueto after he hit the IL. He made a lone rehab appearance in the minors (1 2/3 innings) and pitched 2 1/3 innings of relief in the Majors on Sept. 30.
                                                It’s not a great note on which to end a season, but Cueto’s 92 mph velocity in that final outing was right in line with what he’d done throughout the season. And, when he was healthy, Cueto was the best version of himself fans and opponents had seen in years. No, this wasn’t Cy Young runner-up Cueto, but it was a very serviceable version of the quirky right-hander, who slotted nicely into the fourth spot in a deep San Francisco rotation.
                                                At 35 years old, Cueto wasn’t the fireballer he was earlier in his career, but his 91.9 mph average fastball velocity was the highest mark he’d posted since that outstanding 2016 campaign. His 6.1% walk rate was also his best mark since that ’16 effort, and Cueto’s 9.7% swinging-strike rate and 31.4% opponents’ chase rate were his best marks since 2017. Cueto’s average exit velocity, hard-hit rate and barrel rate were all better than the league average, and his walk rate was in the 81st percentile of MLB pitchers.
                                                Cueto was much more effective through his first dozen starts of the season (3.63 ERA) than over his final nine appearances (4.72), but perhaps some late fatigue was to be expected. His first “full” season back from Tommy John surgery, after all, was the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign. The 2021 season was the first time since 2017 that Cueto had started the season healthy in April and was still trying to pitch into August and September.
                                                The end result of Cueto’s 2021 campaign was a respectable 4.08 ERA and peripherals that largely backed him up (4.05 FIP, 4.27 xFIP, 4.43 SIERA). It’s not necessarily a dominant profile, and projection systems are down on him by virtue of factoring in his ugly 2019-20 results in the wake of Tommy John surgery. ZiPS has him at 92 innings of 4.43 ERA ball. Steamer is more bullish in workload (144 innings) but much more bearish in results (5.05 ERA). You’re forgiven if you are not overly optimistic for Cueto’s outlook in 2022 and beyond. The past few years, taken as a whole, have not been great.
                                                A team that’s more focused on Cueto’s 2021 characteristics — the increase in velocity over 2018-20, the upticks in swinging strikes and chases — might see things differently, however. Cueto shouldn’t be penciled in for a return to his halcyon days of 200-plus innings and 33 starts, but he did make all 12 of his starts in 2020 and was more healthy in 2021 than he’s been since undergoing Tommy John surgery. He’s not the complete-game threat and workhorse he once was, but Cueto averaged 5 1/3 innings per start in ’21 and had been averaging about 5 2/3 per outing up until the All-Star break. It’s not out of the question that he could bounce back a bit further and make 24 to 25 starts with average or better results. At his per-start output, that clocks in somewhere in the range of 130 to 140 innings.
                                                Maybe 135 innings of low-4.00s ERA doesn’t jump up and excite fans, but for the right team, that’s plenty valuable. The prevailing, but often incorrect, mentality is that every team possesses some guys in Triple-A who could come up and fill that role. However, there were only 89 pitchers in MLB last season who pitched at least 80 innings and posted an ERA under 4.25 — about three per team, on average. Bulk sources of respectable innings don’t necessarily grow on trees.
                                                Clubs that already have solid options in the top four spots of their rotation could look to Cueto as a fairly affordable means of rounding things out. The Mets, Mariners, Blue Jays, Braves, Cubs and the incumbent Giants all fit that billing to varying extents. A team in need of filling out multiple rotation spots (e.g. Twins, Nationals, Rangers) might look for a bit more reliability, but perhaps even they’d see some merit in installing Cueto as a steadying presence while awaiting the arrival of some younger arms.
                                                Regardless of Cueto’s eventual destination, it’s a bit surprising that he’s become something of a forgotten man this time around in free agency. There’s been nary a word about his market since the Giants opted for a $5MM buyout over a $22MM club option for the 2022 season. At a net $17MM, that option was never getting picked up, but Cueto had a decent rebound campaign in ’21 and probably ought to be getting a little more consideration as fans, pundits and teams alike consider the post-lockout market. He might not command more than a one-year deal, and that comes with serious bargain potential — relative to other names who’ve signed thus far, anyway.
                                                Corey Kluber got $8MM from the Rays, and Cueto pitched as much in 2021 as Kluber has over the past three years combined. Jordan Lyles received a $7MM guarantee from the Orioles despite leading the Majors with 38 homers allowed last year and leading the Majors in earned runs allowed since 2020. Andrew Heaney got $8.5MM from the Dodgers. The Red Sox gave $7MM to Michael Wacha. This isn’t to disparage any of those deals individually. The teams paying those salaries are paying for varying levels of perceived upside, relative youth and/or bulk innings. However, it’s hard to see those figures and think Cueto won’t command something similar, if not better. And if he does clock in south of that range due to concerns over the late elbow issue, he has some significant bargain potential.
                                                It seems silly to call a multi-time All-Star and former Cy Young candidate who just finished up a nine-figure deal “overlooked,” but Cueto hasn’t gotten much attention even in terms of pure free-agent speculation, despite the fact that he just turned in a pretty decent season overall.
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                                                • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                                  #409
                                                  Love it!! I see you chimed into that thread...I'd like to put some money on you too...
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                                                  • stevenash
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                                                    • 01-17-11
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                                                    #410
                                                    Originally posted by Cross
                                                    send him my way, ask him how much of a handicap he wants and we can put 5 large on it if he wants.
                                                    I've seen some of your tennis plays.
                                                    They're usually money.
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                                                    • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                                      #411
                                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                                      I've seen some of your tennis plays.
                                                      They're usually money.
                                                      No nasher, we are talking about an actual tennis match between Cross and Minnesota fatty.

                                                      Cross told me awhile ago that he would probably bagel him(6-0 6-0).
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                                                      • stevenash
                                                        Moderator
                                                        • 01-17-11
                                                        • 65167

                                                        #412
                                                        Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                                        No nasher, we are talking about an actual tennis match between Cross and Minnesota fatty.

                                                        Cross told me awhile ago that he would probably bagel him(6-0 6-0).
                                                        Who's the tennis poster I'm thinking of?
                                                        I thought that was Cross.
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                                                        • Otters27
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                                                          #413
                                                          Originally posted by jrgum3
                                                          They talked for 5 hours Monday and nothing remotely close to progress got made. Once we get closer to the start of the season maybe talks will get serious but it's not looking good right now.
                                                          Who does it hurt more owners or players
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                                                          • JMobile
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                                                            #414
                                                            Tommy Pham possibly reuniting with the Rays and playing at 1st base
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                                                            • Cross
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                                                              #415
                                                              Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
                                                              No nasher, we are talking about an actual tennis match between Cross and Minnesota fatty.

                                                              Cross told me awhile ago that he would probably bagel him(6-0 6-0).
                                                              Just picture one of us stepping into the box against Jacob DeGrom. Baseball analogy of a match with our boy Fatty.
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                                                              • jrgum3
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 07-21-17
                                                                • 7005

                                                                #416
                                                                Originally posted by Otters27
                                                                Who does it hurt more owners or players
                                                                Both sides are getting hurt equally I'd imagine. I mean the owners don't want to see any games cancelled because it hurts them and obviously players want what they feel they deserve. I dunno man this is all pretty ridiculous to me I think they need to get it figured out sooner rather than later.
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                                                                • EmpireMaker
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 06-18-09
                                                                  • 15562

                                                                  #417
                                                                  Whenever transactions are again permitted to take place, A’s first baseman Matt Olson is among the most prominent names who’ll be discussed on the trade market. The 2021 All-Star and two-time Gold Glover has already been linked to the Yankees, Rangers and Braves, among others, and Dennis Lin of The Athletic suggests in his latest mailbag column that the Padres figure to be “in the mix” on Olson as well. President of baseball operations A.J. Preller has already at least touched base with the Oakland front office as part of a broader sweep of exploratory trade talks throughout the league, per Lin.
                                                                  Interest notwithstanding, the Padres seem like a long shot to actually pull off a deal involving Olson for myriad reasons. San Diego already has Eric Hosmer installed at first base and signed for another four seasons at a total of $59MM. The Friars have reportedly pursued various trade scenarios involving Hosmer in an attempt to create payroll flexibility and reduce their luxury-tax ledger, but those efforts have unsurprisingly come up short.
                                                                  Hosmer’s eight-year, $144MM deal with the Padres was widely panned from the start, and the first baseman’s tepid .264/.323/.415 batting line (99 wRC+) since signing hasn’t made the final four years of the contract any more appealing (though it should be noted that the contract is frontloaded, with Hosmer earning $20MM in 2022 and $13MM annually from 2023-25).
                                                                  The universal designated hitter is viewed as something of a foregone conclusion by now, so one can imagine a scenario where Hosmer spends more time at DH and Olson plays first base. However, that’d still move the Padres’ payroll north by a good margin. Olson is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $12MM in 2022 before commanding one more raise in his final arbitration season in 2023. San Diego already has about $199MM on the books for the 2022 season, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez, in addition to about $215MM worth of luxury-tax obligations. The Padres narrowly exceeded the luxury tax in 2021, but it’s unclear whether they’d be willing to do so again in 2022 — particularly if it’s by a larger margin. Lin notes that owner Peter Seidler has “steadfastly declined” to discuss payroll and luxury tax to this point.
                                                                  That $215MM figure is a substantial factor in the Padres’ reported efforts to move Hosmer and/or right fielder Wil Myers (who’s owed $21MM in the final season of a six-year, $83MM extension himself). Perhaps if the Padres could find a way to shed one or both salaries, the subsequent luxury breathing room could then be make a potential Olson acquisition more feasible. That, however, would require time to be on the Padres’ side — which is not the case. Post-lockout transactions are expected to be frenetic, and it doesn’t figure to be easy for Preller & Co. to find a trade involving Hosmer or Myers. The San Diego front office has been investigating trades involving the pair for at least the past year, after all — and longer than that with regard to Myers. If an Olson acquisition is predicated on moving Hosmer and/or Myers, it’s hard to imagine there’d be time to complete that deal then circle back to the A’s.
                                                                  Some might suggest that the Padres simply try to send Hosmer back to Oakland as part of a deal, offering better prospects in return to push a deal across the finish line. That scenario appears decidedly unlikely, though. The cost on Olson figures to be sky-high in the first place, and the driving factor behind Oakland’s ostensibly looming sell-off is a desire to pare payroll. Taking on Hosmer’s deal runs counter to that. Lin speculates that the Padres could try to engineer a three-team swap that places Hosmer with a third team and Olson in San Diego, but that’s obviously an even more ambitious undertaking than simply finding a taker for Olson in a more straightforward two-team deal.
                                                                  One wild card in all of this is the uncertainty surrounding the status of the luxury tax/competitive balance tax itself. The tax thresholds are a key talking point in collective bargaining talks between the league and the Players Association. The MLBPA is seeking major increases to the tax thresholds, beginning with a jump all the way to $245MM this coming season and cresting with a $273MM threshold in 2026. The league, meanwhile, has only been willing to offer far more marginal increases: $214MM in 2022-23 and incremental increases up to $222MM in 2026. MLB is also seeking to greatly increase the penalties for crossing the threshold, which the MLBPA considers a nonstarter.
                                                                  [Related: Latest Collective Bargaining Positions For MLB, MLBPA]
                                                                  It’s possible that whatever middle ground is reached will come with enough of an uptick in the first threshold that the Padres could technically squeeze Olson into the fray without needing to pay the tax. However, the Padres are also facing needs elsewhere on the roster — namely in one corner outfield spot. If the hope is to add an outfielder and/or deepen the pitching staff or bench at all, then San Diego would be looking at shoehorning more than just Olson’s salary into the puzzle.
                                                                  All of that is based on a theoretical stance that Padres ownership is deterred by the luxury tax alone, but we can’t know that for certain. Last year’s bottom-line payroll of nearly $174MM shattered the former franchise-record payroll by more than $60MM. The current $199MM projection further trounces that number, and adding Olson and any others to the mix would bring the Padres well north of $200MM in actual 2022 salaries (and quite a bit higher in terms of AAV-based luxury calculations). It would require an unprecedented level of spending for the Padres, and we can’t know at what point ownership will simply be uncomfortable with further expenditures. It’s possible they’ve already reached that juncture.
                                                                  To sum up a bit, there’s good reason to expect the Padres will indeed try to make something happen on the Olson front. Preller has shown time and again that he’ll always explore creative options when marquee talents are available. San Diego hired manager Bob Melvin away from the A’s earlier this offseason, and Melvin would surely love to have his former franchise first baseman follow him down I-5. If the Padres were to somehow move Hosmer, they’d have an opening at first base. It all makes sense on paper, and various permutations of Olson-to-San Diego deals or three-team blockbusters involving Olson, Hosmer, Myers and top prospects make for fun hypotheticals with Major League transactions approaching a three-month standstill.
                                                                  At the end of the day, however, there are so many moving parts involved even in these theoretical exercises that it’s hard to see the Padres finding a way to make the pieces work. Still, even a tangential Padres involvement in the Olson market is of some note. Their lurking presence could carry implications on the asking price Oakland can put forth to other clubs, and if trade talks with other suitors drag on long enough post-lockout, it’d only give the Padres more time to pull off their latest trade-market stunner.
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                                                                  • stevenash
                                                                    Moderator
                                                                    • 01-17-11
                                                                    • 65167

                                                                    #418
                                                                    2011: MLB attempted 4540 steals league-wide
                                                                    2021: MLB attempted 2924 steals league-wide
                                                                    A 35.6% decline in attempts over the past decade & has declined every full season since 2015
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                                                                    • Otters27
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 07-14-07
                                                                      • 30749

                                                                      #419
                                                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                      2011: MLB attempted 4540 steals league-wide
                                                                      2021: MLB attempted 2924 steals league-wide
                                                                      A 35.6% decline in attempts over the past decade & has declined every full season since 2015
                                                                      How many attempts in the 80s. That was the golden era in base stealing
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                                                                      • JAKEPEAVY21
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                                                                        • 03-11-11
                                                                        • 29217

                                                                        #420
                                                                        Originally posted by Cross
                                                                        Just picture one of us stepping into the box against Jacob DeGrom. Baseball analogy of a match with our boy Fatty.
                                                                        Looking forward to this match if it ever goes down
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