NFL Extra Point and Two-Point Conversion Changes

[LT Profits]

1 - PATs will now be snapped from the 15-yard line, meaning kicks will now be 32 yards. If a team elects to go for two, ball will still be snapped from the 2-yard line like before.

2 - There is now a defensive two-point conversion if the defense returns either a blocked PAT or a turnover on an offensive two-point attempt all the way the other way, exactly like in college.

[Reload]

Has Vegas chimed in yet on how this could affect key numbers?

Maybe no extra juice anymore when buying on/off the 7?

[mpaschal34]

Should have been from the 20 (or 25). 32 yds is nothing for kickers nowadays.

[Otters27]

Should have been from the 20 (or 25). 32 yds is nothing for kickers nowadays.

Guys will miss some. Is this rule for regular season?

[LT Profits]

Guys will miss some. Is this rule for regular season?

Yes it is a permanent rule (until next rule change )

[Reload]

Will books post some Week 1 props on which kicker will be first to miss an XP?

And how about an over/under on how many weeks before a defensive runback happens for two? Would be fun to have a weekly progressive pool on teams.

[jtoler]

Thought kicks were longer last year.

[LT Profits]

One thing I am not sure about is what happens if there is a bad snap on a PAT attempt and the holder completes a pass into the end zone. Under the old rules, it would have been two points. But now with the ball snapped from unique yard-lines, would it be one point even though the play would be at least 32 yards? Also the new rule basically eliminates faking the PAT and going for two.

[sweep]

Has Vegas chimed in yet on how this could affect key numbers?

Maybe no extra juice anymore when buying on/off the 7?

Vegas Vic writes a column in the Philly Daily News, he wrote today actually that his contacts have told him that lines will not b
e affected...for now. With a big emphasis on "for now"

[LT Profits]

Thought kicks were longer last year.

Was only an experiment during preseason last year.

[Chi_archie]

Not a fan of this

Even more games will be decided by the leg of a soccer player than before.

I want the real skill players to have MORE control of outcomes not less.

Imagine your face team or team you bet on is down 7 with 90 seconds and they drive 93 yards for the TD then miss the extra point.

Its ta one thing if a team loses on a missed FG, because the offense couldn't go the whole way.

[jjgold]

bad move although more strategy in game now

Totals will jump 1 point on every game now

[jtoler]

Not a fan of this

Even more games will be decided by the leg of a soccer player than before.

I want the real skill players to have MORE control of outcomes not less.

Imagine your face team or team you bet on is down 7 with 90 seconds and they drive 93 yards for the TD then miss the extra point.

Its ta one thing if a team loses on a missed FG, because the offense couldn't go the whole way.

I agree, I'm sure those players out there killing themselves wouldn't mind if kickers were totally phased out of the game, I could live with only punting. Nothing more discouraging than battling for two hours then some guy comes in whose done nothing entire game yet the entire game rests on him kicking, its kinda silly.

[LT Profits]

Also wonder if there will be more two-point attempts now regardless of score

[shaunovery]

Doubt if this changes much

How many kickers haven't missed a field goal inside 30 yds for the last 3 yrs

[d2bets]

bad move although more strategy in game now

Totals will jump 1 point on every game now

Why would totals "jump" (go up). Shouldn't it go down with some missed PAT's? Granted, teams may go for 2 but history says those are 50/50 anyway.

Biggest change is minimized importance of "key numbers." Likely to get some weirder looking scores.

[d2bets]

Doubt if this changes much

How many kickers haven't missed a field goal inside 30 yds for the last 3 yrs

This is not inside 30 yards. It's 32 yards. I'd have to look up the stats but I'd guess kicks in the 32 yard range are probably like 90% or so, mayba touch higher. That's a big difference from 99.8% though. 1 out of 10 misses means there should be a missed PAT in every other game or so. Should see multiple misses every Sunday.

[shaunovery]

Still don't think it will make a Hugh difference although pretty sure we will see a higher percentage of 2 point try's

[LT Profits]

This is not inside 30 yards. It's 32 yards. I'd have to look up the stats but I'd guess kicks in the 32 yard range are probably like 90% or so, mayba touch higher. That's a big difference from 99.8% though. 1 out of 10 misses means there should be a missed PAT in every other game or so. Should see multiple misses every Sunday.

Remember the 32-yarders will always be from center of the field, unlike FGs.

[Chi_archie]

in 2014 from 30-39 yards all kickers were a combined 244 of 263 or 92.7%

I manually counted in my head so I could off a bit on those numbers

but suffice it to say kickers are very accurate from that distance

but let's say on a typical week of 12 games or so you might get 60 TDs so you'll see about 5 or 6 of those missed every week

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/kicking

[Chi_archie]

there were 8 total Extra Points missed in 2014 for the entire season

[jtoler]

Yep, this will screw up bettors big time. It will be what they remember most when they lose. Now you gotta cap kickers for extra pts. I guarantee they won't make them at a 93% clip this year coupled with the extra pressure in certain situations. Now people will really know kickers by name, weather will be an issue also.

[DiggityDaggityDo]

Will we see kickers getting drafted higher now?

[Chi_archie]

Yep, this will screw up bettors big time. It will be what they remember most when they lose. Now you gotta cap kickers for extra pts. I guarantee they won't make them at a 93% clip this year coupled with the extra pressure in certain situations. Now people will really know kickers by name, weather will be an issue also.

now there is a prop bet i'd like to see offered.

keep in mind the 92.7% figure was for fg's that were mostly LONGER than the 32..... all the way up to 39

and as LT mentioned, these Extra Points will always be straight on shots, where as sometimes FG's are at odd angles.

teams will also be looking to develop their athlete stud to do like Kham Chancellor did vs Carolina here

[Chi_archie]

Will we see kickers getting drafted higher now?

if there is a clear stud..... maybe?

not Oakland, Janikowski like though.....


but if i'm a punter in HS or college right now, i'm also taking time to develop an accurate FG/EP kicking leg.

if your main kicker goes down, you know you want to have a decent backup for him. Any player that can prove his worth as a kicker, holder, long snapper could help their cause to be on a 53 man roster due to emergencies

[jtoler]

now there is a prop bet i'd like to see offered.

keep in mind the 92.7% figure was for fg's that were mostly LONGER than the 32..... all the way up to 39

and as LT mentioned, these Extra Points will always be straight on shots, where as sometimes FG's are at odd angles.

teams will also be looking to develop their athlete stud to do like Kham Chancellor did vs Carolina here

Yep, you're right, since now its basically a field goal they should be easier to block and teams will actually try to block them. A little harder to block extra pts. And no doubt some will be blocked.

[slacker00]

Cowboys gotta love this rule change with that steamroller o-line. They should go for 2 every time.

[d2bets]

in 2014 from 30-39 yards all kickers were a combined 244 of 263 or 92.7%

I manually counted in my head so I could off a bit on those numbers

but suffice it to say kickers are very accurate from that distance

but let's say on a typical week of 12 games or so you might get 60 TDs so you'll see about 5 or 6 of those missed every week

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/kicking

Exactly. Even if it's 93-94% that's a HUGE difference from 99.8%. There will be misses every Sunday and probably at least one every Sunday that seemingly could be a differencemaker. So yeah, this is big.

[Wrigley]

Also wonder if there will be more two-point attempts now regardless of score

weather will be a big key as well

[Art Vandeleigh]

Beer industry unhappy. Fewer people will go get one until PAT completed.

[Unwritten Law]

Not sure if this is a good idea or not. It's a bit more challenging for the PAT and harder to fix games. Imagine the offense scoring a TD late in the game to potentially tie, then the XP is wide right/left when it used to be "automatic".

[lakerboy]

It is football after all. Use your foot.

[Bigbill365]

More teams will go for 2pts it seems to me this favors Unders

[rm18]

Cowboys gotta love this rule change with that steamroller o-line. They should go for 2 every time.

Cowboys have the best kicker in NFL history if they were going to go for two they would of done it last year as well.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Teams that score late and go up 1 will take a knee. If they don't, the blocked extra point can be returned for 2pts.


Take the dogs next year.