Uh Oh...Jose Fernandez

[LT Profits]

My pick to win the Cy Young Award this season is heading to the DL and is undergoing an MRI.

[The Giant]

It's really going to suck if this is another Tommy John situation.

[No coincidences]

These guys need to just start having TJ surgery before their careers start and get it over with.

[Big Bear]

It's really going to suck if this is another Tommy John situation.

I almost guarantee this is just for precautionary reasons.

he will not have TJ surgery.

[LT Profits]

These guys need to just start having TJ surgery before their careers start and get it over with.

Thing is if it is not necessary, then having it done could unnecessarily cost two years of development.

[No coincidences]

I almost guarantee this is just for precautionary reasons.

he will not have TJ surgery.

Might want to read the reports. It doesn't sound good.

[LT Profits]

More UH OH, they are calling it an elbow sprain.

[TwoWays]

best pitcher in mlb. sucks. thought it was strange he stayed away from throwing so many fast balls in his last start

[No coincidences]

best pitcher in mlb. sucks. thought it was strange he stayed away from throwing so many fast balls in his last start

Adam Wainwright would like to say hello.

[SteveKerrsJunk]

Adam Wainwright would like to say hello.

So would Jason Hammel and Aaron Harang.

[thirtytwo]

he gave up two home runs to jedd fukking gyorko in petco park... something had to be wrong

[Bcatswin]

Hands down Johnny Cueto, MLB Network has had him #1 SP for the last 3 weeks in the Power Rankings. And if you go back to the last 3-4 years he has lowest ERA in the game.

[jose21_us]

Dam I am worried... Marlins luck was to good to be true.... I knew something didn't look right the other day against the padres.... He almost gave up back to back to back jacks....

[opie1988]

Hands down Johnny Cueto, MLB Network has had him #1 SP for the last 3 weeks in the Power Rankings. And if you go back to the last 3-4 years he has lowest ERA in the game.

Can't stand these homer fukks! Take this shit to a Reds message board!!

It's clearly Yu Darvish. Anyone with any sort of clue about baseball knows this.

[Bcatswin]

Can't stand these homer fukks! Take this shit to a Reds message board!!

It's clearly Yu Darvish. Anyone with any sort of clue about baseball knows this.

Man i agree these HOMER fuks suck need to take their ass's back to Texas
Alson my friend, Numbers Never Lie!

[LT Profits]

Darvish is better than Cueto, but Fernandez is better than both.

[pavyracer]

Darvish is better than Cueto, but Fernandez is better than both.

Julio Teheran is now the best.

[LT Profits]

Julio Teheran is now the best.

He is not that good, he will be this year's Jeff Locke. Just like Locke early in the season last year, Teheran's 1.71 ERA does not jive with his 3.83 FIP and 3.75 xFIP. Negative regression is coming.

[No coincidences]

Hands down Johnny Cueto, MLB Network has had him #1 SP for the last 3 weeks in the Power Rankings. And if you go back to the last 3-4 years he has lowest ERA in the game.

Cueto's been outstanding as well.

No offense to Fernandez, but I'd rank it:

1) Wainwright
2) Kershaw
3) Cueto
4) Felix
5) Darvish or Verlander

[No coincidences]

He is not that good, he will be this year's Jeff Locke. Just like Locke early in the season last year, Teheran's 1.71 ERA does not jive with his 3.83 FIP and 3.75 xFIP. Negative regression is coming.

It's coming, but not like Locke's regression. He's much better than Locke in reality. Plus, he pitches for the Braves, which gives him the automatic invisible juice as a pitcher.

[Darkside Magick]

All these pitchers got bad mechanics..that why you seeing all these arm problems ...according to Bob Gibson there is only 3 pitchers he said got great mechanics.

Yu Darvish'
Aroldis Chapman
Tim Lincecum

[LT Profits]

It's coming, but not like Locke's regression. He's much better than Locke in reality. Plus, he pitches for the Braves, which gives him the automatic invisible juice as a pitcher.

Yeah Locke was over 4.00 on both of those sabre stats I think when his ERA was sub-2.00, so not AS much regression expected but still quite a bit of it.

[No coincidences]

Darvish is better than Cueto, but Fernandez is better than both.

LOL.

[No coincidences]

All these pitchers got bad mechanics..that why you seeing all these arm problems ...according to Bob Gibson there is only 3 pitchers he said got great mechanics.

Yu Darvish'
Aroldis Chapman
Tim Lincecum

John Smoltz had perfect mechanics. He still had TJ surgery.

[TwoWays]

why do so many non-asian players have arm surgery? they must investigate this.

[LT Profits]

LOL.

We are not allowed to disagree?

[TwoWays]

We are not allowed to disagree?

[No coincidences]

We are not allowed to disagree?

Sure. I just don't know how you could rate Fernandez better than Darvish and Cueto, given the consistent overall body of work and ability to win on the road -- two things JF had yet to accomplish.

[TheLock]

He's getting a 2nd MRI. That can't be good.

Lol at Teheran being better than Fernandez.

lolololokokolomolololllolol

[TheLock]

Sure. I just don't know how you could rate Fernandez better than Darvish and Cueto, given the consistent overall body of work and ability to win on the road -- two things JF had yet to accomplish.

Should we look at Fernandez wins on the road or look at road advanced baseball stats?

[No coincidences]

Should we look at Fernandez wins on the road or look at road advanced baseball stats?

I'm not arguing Fernandez isn't great or even overrated. He's a Top-10 pitcher. I just don't know how you could say he's better than Cueto and Darvish.

[jjgold]

Baseball sucks without steroids

[jay89]

All these pitchers got bad mechanics..that why you seeing all these arm problems ...according to Bob Gibson there is only 3 pitchers he said got great mechanics.

Yu Darvish'
Aroldis Chapman
Tim Lincecum

I may be spewing here but IMO, if pitchers are taught new mechanics when they've already been pitching one way already for their entire lives, isn't that more likely to cause an injury? "why try to fix what's not broken"

[LT Profits]

Sure. I just don't know how you could rate Fernandez better than Darvish and Cueto, given the consistent overall body of work and ability to win on the road -- two things JF had yet to accomplish.

"Winning on the road" means nothing, just as W-L record overall means nothing. Fernandez is second in the majors in both FIP (2.14) and xFIP (2.18). He leads the majors with 12.19 strikeouts per nine innings, and somehow combines that with a better than expected 49% groundball rate. And since you care so much, he was fine on the road last year so that is not an issue.

[No coincidences]

"Winning on the road" means nothing, just as W-L record overall means nothing. Fernandez is second in the majors in both FIP (2.14) and xFIP (2.18). He leads the majors with 12.19 strikeouts per nine innings, and somehow combines that with a better than expected 49% groundball rate. And since you care so much, he was fine on the road last year so that is not an issue.

I didn't say it was an "issue" -- I'm saying that, if you're going to compare him to established aces like Darvish and Cueto, I'd like to see a little more dominance in any and all settings, which includes his road starts.

If you want to call him a good, very good or even great pitcher, by all means, go ahead. But if you're going to say he's better than Darvish and Cueto, you have to start nitpicking and judging at a very elite level.