clemson vs wake early thoughts

[ryanXL977]

anyone have any opinions here/

[freeVICK]

WF seems like the square play

[etothep]

wake = at home + massive coaching advantage

[mmike032]

clemson= not living up to the hype

[tab]

I am on Clemson. Clemson rolled up WF 44-10 in 2007. Clemson is going to steamroll WF after losing 20-17 to Maryland at home on Sept 27. Clemson led 17-6 at the half and thought the game was over. Clemson just gave that game away. THey will have 12 days to get ready for this game as does WF. WF looked horrible against Navy as they could not stop the run. In Clemson's win in 2007, Cullen Harper was 27/35 for 266 yards. WF could not stop Harper nor could they stop Clemson's running game. I saw the WF game against Navy on SEpt 27 and they were horrible. Navy ran at will and passed by using play action fakes. Clemson is going to play better after giving a game away. WF looked awful and have issues stopping the run.

Here are my plays

Clemson +4 (buy 1.5 points)
Clemson ML +110 (oddsmakers are screwing clemson backers, should be +125/130)
Clemson +1.5 half (-115)
Clemson ML half (+110)

[ryanXL977]

is clem any good?

[etothep]

Here are my plays

Clemson +4 (buy 1.5 points)
Clemson ML +110 (oddsmakers are screwing clemson backers, should be +125/130)
Clemson +1.5 half (-115)
Clemson ML half (+110)

Having a hard time seeing why you'd want +4 that much more than +3.5

[tab]

Having a hard time seeing why you'd want +4 that much more than +3.5

I am probably better off buying only one point to take up to +3.5.

[nevadaside]

WF just off getting rolled by NAVY @Hm with two weeks to stew over it. TIGERS traveling off a bye is another negative among others going against a very under achieving team this year.

I would look for WF to "WAKE UP" on Oct.9th.

[TPowell]

I'm on Wake as well, Wake will "wake" up after getting beat by Navy at home. Clemson always blows in conference play (compared to what people think they will do)

[masr]

Like Wake -2.5

[I.R.B]

Wake is the play here..

[Dbldown11]

Clemson is the play here. Wake is not a top 25 team this year, and the fact that they still are ranked is going to keep people on them since it's a small line and they arent playing a ranked team.

Clemson has been a bit of a letdown this year, however they will win this game straight up. Waker will have a hard time stopping the clemson

[onlooker]

Clemson plus the points.

[teaserpleaser]

I'll take clemson off the loss a game they should have won... This is a must win for Clemson ML for me.

[artie81]

Here is all the info you need. Wake is 5-1 ATS in Last 6 games against Clemson, and 3-0 ATS in last 3 Home games against Clemson. That is a pretty heavy sided advantage and trend, plus you have Wake coming off a loss to Navy. Take the -2.5 before it goes up

[artie81]

Wake is the best bet of the week!

[M.W.]

Having a hard time seeing why you'd want +4 that much more than +3.5

Last time Wake beat Clemson, it was 31-27, so it's really easy (at least for me) to visualize a 4-point loss.

[Dbldown11]

Here is all the info you need. Wake is 5-1 ATS in Last 6 games against Clemson, and 3-0 ATS in last 3 Home games against Clemson. That is a pretty heavy sided advantage and trend, plus you have Wake coming off a loss to Navy. Take the -2.5 before it goes up

There is nothing I hate more than ATS spreads of the past... They have nothing to do with current teams or situations or anything. If there is a "trend" in them it's because of coincedence. IT MEANS NOTHING and if you make wagers based on them you will lose money.

Secondly anyone who says that this game is a lock or best bet of the week either way, is obviously senial and should not be listened to. haha just joking....for the most part

[ryanXL977]

the reason he likes those trends is the trend held with troy and with the vikes on monday
so thats 2 in a row so now he is gonna ride it till it fails

but seriously, wake is good right? clem sucks right? i dont know a ton about these teams

[etothep]

Last time Wake beat Clemson, it was 31-27, so it's really easy (at least for me) to visualize a 4-point loss.

If he thinks clemson loses by 4, why not go up to 4.5? If clemson's last lost to wake was by 5, would that justify him buying up to +5?

[artie81]

Dbldown 11, ATS spreads in the past are a huge deal. Play Clemson and watch and see. Coincedence? Your an idiot. Coincedence that one team has covered the spread against the other team 83% of the time, with alot of the same players playing in those last 3 to 4 games. Losing betters ignore ATS spreads of the past.

[artie81]

I only play ATS spreads of the past if they are huge clips in which one team is covering 75% or more. I dont think a clip of 75 % or higher is coinedence? Come on even an idiot can see that

[artie81]

But gl to u!

[etothep]

haha, big fan of triple posting, eh?

[artie81]

not really just posted one comment and than realized I wanted to say something else! I guess im just trying to pad my Post #.

[xyzky]

Artie81,

1. Will Wake be able to stop Clemson tomorrow?
2. Can Clemson will stop Wake?

[yisman]

very small bet on over 43

[Dbldown11]

I only play ATS spreads of the past if they are huge clips in which one team is covering 75% or more. I dont think a clip of 75 % or higher is coinedence? Come on even an idiot can see that

Settle down big fella...I never look at ATS of the past and I'm not an idiot. My CFB record this year speaks for itself. This game is being played in the present, not the past. So I will look at current information to make my pick. Dont call me an idiot because I disagree with you, and yes we will see after tomorrow who was right in this game

[Dbldown11]

Oh and one question for you Artie.....In how many of those past ATS that you are looking at was Wake Forest the favorite????? and what were the spreads?

[ryanXL977]

the more i look at the this, the more clem seems like the play

[M.W.]

There is nothing I hate more than ATS spreads of the past... They have nothing to do with current teams or situations or anything. If there is a "trend" in them it's because of coincedence.

Not necessarily. What this "trend" seems to reflect is that Grobe coaches circles around Bowden. The coaches are the same, so this "trend" most definitely has something to do with the current teams.

Oh and one question for you Artie.....In how many of those past ATS that you are looking at was Wake Forest the favorite????? and what were the spreads?

Good point. And more importantly, in how many of those games was Bowden's job hanging in the balance?

Bowden has to win this one. Bowden always does just enough to keep his job, and at this point keeping his job means beating Wake Forest.

[ryanXL977]

MW,
i like your insight but i have a few things to ad

A: so many people say must win game, back against the wall, as if that affects the game

both teams want to win. cubs needed to win 3 games in a row, they didnt. same with chisox, angels, etc

B; bowden is an awful coach, grobe is good. so i dont know how that changes today. he may want to keep his job but he is shitty at it so he will lose it sooner or later

c: this game is tough!

[ICE-BLOOD]

i would say college football against the spread records for 1 team against a particular opponent, going back years means nothing

at best you could say that they tend to play a particular opponent tough from that info

as for clemson-wf, i'm leaning toward clemson, but too early for any play on this game for me

[TPowell]

this is like shooting fish in a barrel now that I think about it. Wake Forest SEEMS like the square play and that may put more money on Clemson. These teams aren't that different, talent wsie from what I see. The homefield advantage on a weeknight will be huge (as well the embarassment of losing to Navy)