Paterno isn't going to survive this scandal

[ebbearsfb1]

Great post the money shot..... question is there a staute of limitations if so how does it work and how long?

[Darkside Magick]

the statue of limitation is when the accuser reach 50 years old per penn. law when the accuser is a minor

[t-wizzle]

The grand jury said the AD knew the specific details of the incident. That is a fact. He resigned. That is a fact.

If Paterno was the one who reported it to the AD, how did he not know the specifics if the AD did?

Paterno had a moral responsibility and obligation to do the right thing here. Instead, he did only what he was legally obligated to do. You don't think skipping over the former is a fireable offense, especially given the AD and VP involved just resigned?

No it's not fireable. He went to his superior. The AD and VP had a meeting with McQueery, so why are you making it like it was such a black and white chain reaction?

The moral responsibility is all about what your beliefs are. That's why it's moral and not legal.

[No coincidences]

Great post the money shot..... question is there a staute of limitations if so how does it work and how long?

So after he reported it to the higher-ups, Paterno didn't find it the least bit unusual that nothing was said or done after that about the incident?

What needs to be released is McQueary's testimony re: his conversation with Paterno. I find it hard to believe that the grand jury would bring perjury charges against the athletic director if Paterno knew nothing about the specifics of the incident.

[No coincidences]

No it's not fireable. He went to his superior. The AD and VP had a meeting with McQueery, so why are you making it like it was such a black and white chain reaction?

The charges of perjury against the AD and VP seem pretty black and white to me. Under what circumstances would they have known the specifics of the incident based on what McQueary said but Paterno didn't?

[Darkside Magick]

So after he reported it to the higher-ups, Paterno didn't find it the least bit unusual that nothing was said or done after that about the incident?

What needs to be released is McQueary's testimony re: his conversation with Paterno. I find it hard to believe that the grand jury would bring perjury charges against the athletic director if Paterno knew nothing about the specifics of the incident.

it's not mcqueary's you need to to worry about no coin.. it is spainer's who say mcqueary and joe pa are liars

[t-wizzle]

The grand jury did an entire investigation no coin. At what point in the report did they find anything wrong or contradictory in what Paterno did?

Were you in the conversation with McQueery and Paterno? You continue to make way too many assumptions.

[ebbearsfb1]

No coin.. you seem to have it out for paterno, your not the moral police...none of us can truly speak on the issue, none of us were there... people to have realize paterno while this has gone on is between 75 to 85 years old, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed... he reported the incident like he was suppose to... stop acting like it was paterno who did this

[No coincidences]

The grand jury did an entire investigation no coin. At what point in the report did they find anything wrong or contradictory in what Paterno did?

Were you in the conversation with McQueery and Paterno? You continue to make way too many assumptions.

I don't know how you could possibly give Paterno the benefit of the doubt here. Under what circumstance would he be ignorant to this cover-up going around him?

Again, Paterno has a moral and ethical obligation to be the leader of his program, does he not? Every football coach does. He failed either through his own naivete or by employing deaf ears through a horrific and ugly incident.

If Tressel can lose his job for what happened at Ohio State, I'd say this is a no-brainer.

[DrStale]

Graduate assistant tell Paterno "anal sex"

Paterno tells Curley and Schultz "fondling or something sexual in nature"

Curley and Schultz talk to Grad assistant who reiterates "anal sex"

Curley and Schultz tell invesitgators "horsing around" and "non-sexual touching"

Sandusky goes on to rape more kids.


Paterno didnt do anything illegal, but if someone told him that his former defensive coordinator and friend was raping a 10 year old boy in the shower and you dont try to get to the bottom of it, thats messed up.

[No coincidences]

No coin.. you seem to have it out for paterno, your not the moral police...none of us can truly speak on the issue, none of us were there... people to have realize paterno while this has gone on is between 75 to 85 years old, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed... he reported the incident like he was suppose to... stop acting like it was paterno who did this

Why does that matter? If Paterno were 40 or 80, he still carries the title of head coach, and again, certain moral and ethical responsibilities come with that territory.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Graduate assistant tell Paterno "anal sex"

Paterno tells Curley and Schultz "fondling or something sexual in nature"

Curley and Schultz talk to Grad assistant who reiterates "anal sex"

Curley and Schultz tell invesitgators "horsing around" and "non-sexual touching"

Sandusky goes on to rape more kids.


Paterno didnt do anything illegal, but if someone told him that his former defensive coordinator and friend was raping a 10 year old boy in the shower and you dont try to get to the bottom of it, thats messed up.

Paterno did the bare minimum he could have done which is all fine legally......but morally as a leader and man, he failed his program and failed the children that went on to get violated

[khaden]

Just to be clear the AD Did NOT resign. He requested to be on "administrative leave" and he is being paid. PSU president Spanier who is a total Fucktard- issued a statement that the Ad and VP has his "unconditional support."

[No coincidences]

Just to be clear the AD Did NOT resign. He requested to be be in "administrative leave" and he is being paid. PSUpresident spanked- who is a total Fucktard- issued a statement that the Ad and VP has his unconditional support.

Both the VP and AD are facing perjury charges now though, correct?

So McQueary knew obviously, the VP knew, the AD knew, but Paterno was "shocked" to find out about this supposedly 9 years later? I don't know how that can flush with anyone.

[neverstoppers23]

I think its pretty f'd up the more and more we learn about this. Joe Pa should of done more, by calling the police. Esp. since this is a 10 year old boy, maybe he was giving the guy the benefit of the doubt. But from what i understand he appoints two people to look into it, and then the two guys come back and basically lie about it to cover it up.

I still don't think we know the full picture of what happend.
I would be on the phone the next minute if some one came up to me and said i saw X in the shower in the locker room f'ing a 10 year old boy.

[t-wizzle]

No coin, stop referencing the Tressel scandal. There is no comparison.

Our entire debate here hinges on what each of our moral beliefs are. What exactly is your argument that he should be fired?

[No coincidences]

No coin, stop referencing the Tressel scandal. There is no comparison.

Our entire debate here hinges on what each of our moral beliefs are. What exactly is your argument that he should be fired?

I've already said my peace: he is the moral and ethical leader of a football program, which is supposed to be a safe haven for student-athletes and young men who serve as role models in the community. He is supposedly a man and a coach of high character. Yet these amoral bombs are being dropped in and around his program that he, at best, was oblivious to for years.

He is ultimately responsible for Penn State football, and the program is now involved with what some are calling the biggest scandal to rock the sport ever. Asking for his resignation would not only be understandable, but logical at this point. And yes, I would say that about any coach of any program under the same set of circumstances.

[No coincidences]

A Bill Plaschke column from the LA Times calling for Paterno to resign:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/11/bill-plaschke-on-sandusky-scandal-joe-paterno-needs-to-resign.html

[t-wizzle]

I've already said my peace: he is the moral and ethical leader of a football program, which is supposed to be a safe haven for student-athletes and young men who serve as role models in the community. He is supposedly a man and a coach of high character. Yet these amoral bombs are being dropped in and around his program that he, at best, was oblivious to for years.

He is ultimately responsible for Penn State football, and the program is now involved with what some are calling the biggest scandal to rock the sport ever. Asking for his resignation would not only be understandable, but logical at this point. And yes, I would say that about any coach of any program under the same set of circumstances.

I am a lot closer to this situation than you are so while I hear what you are saying, I have a different take. What I think ultimately happened is that this scumbag was held in such high regard that when the incident happened that McQueery witnessed, the people in charge at the school simply just didn't want to believe that it happened and instead of acting responsibly, they were cowards and tried to cover it up. Paterno reported it to his superior. Let's keep that in mind here. We can keep arguing back and forth about whether he should have done more and personally I agree with you but it's not fireable.

[Darkside Magick]

Sandusky abuse claims date back to 1994, grand jury says


The child sex investigation against retired Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky began in 2009 with the first report of allegations to law enforcement. But allegations and eyewitness accounts, some known to university officials, date back as far as 1994.

wtf? 1994!!!!! damn

[No coincidences]

I am a lot closer to this situation than you are so while I hear what you are saying, I have a different take. What I think ultimately happened is that this scumbag was held in such high regard that when the incident happened that McQueery witnessed, the people in charge at the school simply just didn't want to believe that it happened and instead of acting responsibly, they were cowards and tried to cover it up. Paterno reported it to his superior. Let's keep that in mind here. We can keep arguing back and forth about whether he should have done more and personally I agree with you but it's not fireable.

The more this becomes public, the more heat Paterno will face.

At best, he "retires" at the end of the year. Not sure he even makes it that long. The fact that he did the "right" thing legally will mean next to nothing in the end. The moral and ethical contradictions will spell his doom.

[khaden]

Pattern knew the AD would cover thus up - that's a fact. Paterno should have taken his grad assistant( who was his former player) and accompanied him to the police station to make a report. That obviously would have initiated a formal investigation. The AD had nothing to do with this pattern was only looking to bury it - he wasn't worried about doing the right thing- Paterno is very loyal to his friends and coaches. Ge didn't want Sandusky to get in a jam plain and simple. What is worse fuckin a 10 year old in the ass or covering up for your friend who ****** a 10 yr old in the ass-

[t-wizzle]

The more this becomes public, the more heat Paterno will face.

At best, he "retires" at the end of the year. Not sure he even makes it that long. The fact that he did the "right" thing legally will mean next to nothing in the end. The moral and ethical contradictions will spell his doom.

What I don't understand is why you're trying to connect this to Paterno. Sandusky was retired when the incident happened. Paterno never gave him the privileges to use the locker room, the school did. So really, Paterno never should have been involved at all.

[ebbearsfb1]

All the moral police have spoken... why don't we just wait and see what happens? If paterno resigns it means he knew more than he said... if he keeps coaching he is sticking to what he said all along... also the g.a. didn't tell paterno that he say the 10 year old getting his butt jammed.. just about it being sexual

[khaden]

R u serious

What I don't understand is why you're trying to connect this to Paterno. Sandusky was retired when the incident happened. Paterno never gave him the privileges to use the locker room, the school did. So really, Paterno never should have been involved at all.

How is this not connected to Paterno. Pattern runs this place - he got curly his job as AD- Mcquery is his former player and Sandusky is a lifelong friend former player and long time coach! Mcquery reported this to Paterno- Paterno should have taken Mcquery to the police to make a report. He instead called Curly and washed his hands of the situation. Paterno curly and spanner should all be gone! Period end of discussion

[face]

penn state officials, including paterno, who did nothing are losers. afraid of scandal?!? well that did not work out did it? people need to be afraid of not canning sex offenders from school jobs.

[ebbearsfb1]

easy to comment when your not in the situation...

[Mr Handicapable]

Sandusky abuse claims date back to 1994, grand jury says


The child sex investigation against retired Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky began in 2009 with the first report of allegations to law enforcement. But allegations and eyewitness accounts, some known to university officials, date back as far as 1994.

wtf? 1994!!!!! damn

Paterno should be fired and the school should get atleast a 3 year death penalty! Turning your head when a coworker/friend has a drug problem or gambling problem is one thing but child rape?

[No coincidences]

What I don't understand is why you're trying to connect this to Paterno. Sandusky was retired when the incident happened. Paterno never gave him the privileges to use the locker room, the school did. So really, Paterno never should have been involved at all.

Again, I would feel this way about any coach at any university under these exact same circumstances.

It's his program. It happened in his locker room. It's his long-time friend who, by the way, had been sexually abusing boys during his time there as an assistant. His grad. assistant and former player saw it. I find it odd that you find it odd that I'm holding Paterno's feet to the fire here, t-wizz.

[Love The Action]

I am a lot closer to this situation than you are so while I hear what you are saying, I have a different take. What I think ultimately happened is that this scumbag was held in such high regard that when the incident happened that McQueery witnessed, the people in charge at the school simply just didn't want to believe that it happened and instead of acting responsibly, they were cowards and tried to cover it up. Paterno reported it to his superior. Let's keep that in mind here. We can keep arguing back and forth about whether he should have done more and personally I agree with you but it's not fireable.

Paterno has potential legal liability here, both criminally and civilly. If it is determined that paterno lied under oath at any time, he can be pursued for perjury just like the AD and VP. In addition, paterno can be sued personally as part of a lawsuit against the university by the victims for negligence in not stopping criminal behavior which he was made aware of, while he was head coach and which took place on campus locations which were part of the football program. I think such a case would be settled because of the bad press it would generate, plus it is less likely to be enforceable against paterno as opposed to the university, but make no mistake that paterno has some legal exposure.

That doesn't even take into account the moral outrage everyone should feel at paterno about this situation IF paterno was part of a cover up which I suspect he was.

[P.F.Kasooff]

Sandusky abuse claims date back to 1994, grand jury says


The child sex investigation against retired Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky began in 2009 with the first report of allegations to law enforcement. But allegations and eyewitness accounts, some known to university officials, date back as far as 1994.

wtf? 1994!!!!! damn

Well , what did you think? Jerry woke-up one morning in the last 5yrs and said "I like to fukk little boys now"

Assshole been doing for decades

[TheMoneyShot]

So... I just got done talking to my Mom about this issue.... here's her statement.

After watching it on the news... she believes 100% that Joe Paterno was involved in this. I asked her are you saying he participated in on this??? She goes... possibly... but he sure as hell knew it was going on. Ok... so... there you have it. Mom's know best.

[Patrick McIrish]

Paterno must go!

[Darkside Magick]

There's this quote from Joe Paterno in 2008: "I always felt that Jerry had two loves: One was obviously his ability, his wanting to help younger people in The Second Mile and being a head coach. He could have been a head coach a couple places, but he really he backed away because they were going to ask him to give up some things in The Second Mile."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-p...#ixzz1d3lG2xxq

[19th Hole]

attorney general on right now.......they look like they going for the throat @ penn state!!!!

Going for the throat.