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  • silkydiamonds
    SBR Rookie
    • 09-21-11
    • 8

    #1
    USF -2 vs Pitt @Pitt
    Books got caught throwing a bad # out and now they are gonna pay both ways. Opened Pitt -3, shot all the way to USF -3. Now settling in around -1/-2.

    Stat that stands out

    146.5


    That's the difference between what USF rushes for in a game (228.5) and what they allow (82). For comparison, Pitt rushes for just 2.3yds/gm more than that. DOMINATION. USF ain't playing the big boys, but they are doing what the big boys are supposed to do when they play the sisters of the poor. That much domination on the ground is about attitude. It takes the heart out of a team to be rushed on that much and to completely stop them. Its how blowouts are made. When u go into half down 24-7 and the other team already has 20 carries and 110yds it totally takes away ur will to win.

    On the Ground


    Just touched on it but damn, USF wants to run the ball on u (43att/gm), they do it well (228.5/gm), and they stop u from doing it (39.75att/gm, 82yds/gm). From the moment the whistle blows they come to take heart out out. Its all attitude, they say to u, Imma kick ur ass and u can't do shit about it. PERIOD!!


    USF runs it with basically 3 folks: Darnell Scott (53att 348yds 6.6avg 5td 87/gm), BJ Daniels (38att 215yds 5.7avg 2td 53.8/gm), Demetrius Murray (42att, 188yds, 4.5avg 2td 47/gm). Its a non stop onslaught, they run, line up again and run some more. Astonishing is that Scott (2) and Murray (9) have only 11 yds lost on runs. WOW. They just get positive yds every play.


    Defensively ur not gonna make a living running against USF, 82yds/gm on 31carries is 2.6yds/att. In otherwords its futile. The big tacklers on the rush defense are Mike Lanaris LB & playmaking machine DeDe Lattimore. Look for them to be keenly focused on Ray Graham.


    Now Pitt's run Offense:


    Its Ray Graham, Ray Graham some more, and a lil bit off Tino Sunseri (148.8yds/gm as a team). Graham the bellcow has 100att, 508yds, 6tds and 127/gm. Noone else is within 6p carries of him. Stop him stop Pitt period on the ground. Pitt runs the Tulsa offense, but instead of the QB (GJ Kinne) being the rushing focus its their talented RB Graham. Problem is Pitt has I form prostyle players learning on the fly to play spread football. They run some nice plays with their system, the triple option with a Flanker hitch being the 3rd option can really hurt undisciplined teams. Problem for Pitt is vs actual FBS level teams without a complimentary back they are making themselves predictable.


    Defensively Pitt is STOUT, just not as stout as USF. They are only giving up 105yds/gm. Take away a 79yd run by ND and they only gave up 103 on 31att. They have yet to face a team with the commitment to running the Bulls have though, that could be a problem. I feel Pitt is talented on the Dline, just don't know if they are ready for the barrage that is coming to them. They will need to use a lot of depth in this game, becuz by the late 3rd all those runs will mean tired linemen.


    I give the run game edge to USF by a good margin. While they don't have that 1 guy to just keep giving it to, they have 3 diff runners they can keep fresh and continue to bludgeon u with. I expect in the 2nd half Skip Holtz employs some hurry up scheme and begin to lean on the Panthers, tiring out the DLine.

    Through the Air


    Has BJ Daniels been tamed by Skip? Its still early in the season and not much real competition, but he's completing 66% of his passes. Its not like he's only completing dinks either, he's got 8yds/att, and has already thrown 124 passes. I feel he's maturing as a passer, not a finished product but he's not the raw passer he was. There is 1 main man he looks to pass to: Sterling Griffin (22rec 248yds 11.3avg 1td 62/gm). The next closest guy is 9rec. What's special is 11ppl avg at least a catch a game. That's the truest testament to growth as a QB, the ability to feed ur star Wr AND distribute the ball all around.


    On pass defense numbers can be decieving, they give up 231.2yds/gm not bad not good, but Notre Dame GASHED them for 391yds on 31-49 passing (though they did get 3ints). Alarms should be going off, a good passing team *cough* West Va *cough* will exploit the **** outta that. USF has 7 diff players with an Int, so they as a team are ballhawks. Pitt shouldn't try and thread to many needles it could end up in USF's hands. The bulls have 2 guys with 3 sacks: Julius Forte & Claude Davis. As a team they have 12 sacks and have only given up 5. After seeing ND sack Pitt 6x, I'm gonna venture to say the Pitt Oline has trouble ahead.


    Pitt has another coming of age QB in Sunseri. Within this spread style system Sunseri seems to be a better fit and more mature. He's completing 65% of his passes, but with a 6.5/avg a lot of the work is done on short stuff. His leading receiver is...........Guess Who, Ray Graham again. Follow Graham and you will find the ball. If they wanna hit u up top for something big it will be Devin Street, the guy has good speed and nice hands. Mike Shannahan is a good #2 target when teams go 2 deep, look for him to win his matchups crossing on digs and outside on comebacks/outs. He's just not gonna leave u in his dust though.


    Pass Defense for Pitt is awful. Even after a pretty good game defending the ND pass offense, they allow 306yds/gm. No they weren't playing Houston, Hawaii, Okie St and WVU. They played Maine, Buffalo and Iowa. 3 teams NOONE would confuse with chcuk & duck teams. The scheme they brought for ND was excellent and effective. Problem is that won't work vs USF. USF isn't a pass by any means neccessary team AND they have a highly mobile QB that makes what they did difficult.


    What I see

    Its gon be physical. We gon see some slobberknockers, ppl get earholed and more than 1 person will be injured. Home field ain't exactly been some super advantage for Pitt. 2 str8 2h leads that turned to losses may be indicative of a larger problem. DEPTH. I expect USF to run the leather off the ball and for BJ Daniels to reintroduce himself to the world as a dynamic dual threat QB. Pitt will have a TO or 2 or 3 and Ray Graham will be a marked man.


    USF 27 Pitt 20
  • Betn247
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-24-10
    • 622

    #2


    I like the write up, its a revenge game for daniels and USF...........USF 27-17
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    • daprospecta
      SBR Sharp
      • 01-15-10
      • 473

      #3
      Love the write up. A lot of solid info. Right now I'm doing a smooth criminal lean on them.
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      • imp4pdabest
        SBR High Roller
        • 07-20-11
        • 170

        #4
        Great right up man.
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        • bruce0
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 01-07-10
          • 905

          #5
          I don't that opening line for Pitt -3, but then again I use freebie sites which show it at USF -2 to-3 and back to -2.5.

          Where do you see that opening line? Nice write up.
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          • Coach Jake
            SBR Sharp
            • 09-24-11
            • 457

            #6
            Darrell* Scott is a beast. He was PS#1 RB coming out of high school(220lbs, 4.3 40), but Colorado didn't know how to use him or anyone else. He's a nice guy, too. Pitt is rough this year, their D isnt so bad, but their offense has been struggling vs terrible teams
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            • BernardMadoff
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 12-12-09
              • 6679

              #7
              Originally posted by silkydiamonds
              Books got caught throwing a bad # out and now they are gonna pay both ways. Opened Pitt -3, shot all the way to USF -3. Now settling in around -1/-2.
              Where did this open Pitt -3? And is there some site where one can see Pitt -3?
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              • silkydiamonds
                SBR Rookie
                • 09-21-11
                • 8

                #8
                Opened Pitt -3 @ the Wynn Sunday afternoon and get bet up immediately, u can find this at Vegasinsiders line history

                Took about 30 mins to go from Pitt -3 to USF as chalk
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                • ferrarif2399
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 09-24-11
                  • 42

                  #9
                  USF essentially has one of the BEST running backs in the league: Darrell Scott.
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                  • sneakerhead
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-14-10
                    • 7727

                    #10
                    Offshore books opened with South Florida -2
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                    • Jive
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-10-10
                      • 1405

                      #11
                      Man, I would have loved to have seen USF +3. I like me some USF in this game.
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                      • texhooper
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 01-05-09
                        • 10001

                        #12
                        wynn was just off, or vegasinsider isn't providing correct information. line at vegas and offshores has been roughly usf -2/-3 at any given point since it came out. wynn wasn't even one of the first casinos to put a line out.
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                        • silkydiamonds
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 09-21-11
                          • 8

                          #13
                          I'm gonna give u the benefit of the doubt ONCE. Its ALWAYS some wise ass, "smarter than tou", know it all on a forum. "Those #'s are bullshit". JUST STOP, do some research and understand noone wants to cut into ur kingdom.

                          That was a lil harsh, Ill walk that back some. U may have true skepticism from what others have posted b4. But ur implying VERY STRONGLY that I either got bogus info, or I'm lying. That eithers means I'm lying or stupid. BOTH of which offend me. Now I could come right back and say some things about U NOT KNOWING what the opening #'s were in Vegas. But its uneccessary. The question was answered and the answer didn't jive with ur understanding, that doesn't mean to try and impugn my credibility

                          Here's an excellent article on the openers this weekend


                          Also if ur not already following @toddfuhrman , Caesers' sportsbook analyst ur missing A LOT of info. He was 1st to report the line
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                          • constrictor
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 06-08-09
                            • 668

                            #14
                            I wonder why the line havent gone up to USF -7?
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                            • silkydiamonds
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 09-21-11
                              • 8

                              #15
                              -7 would imply a 75% chance of USF winning. Everybody in the world would take the 7pts on the home team in a conf opener. Its Pitt not Rutgers lol
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                              • Vin_vermillion
                                Restricted User
                                • 01-24-11
                                • 1537

                                #16
                                iF YOU GUYS FOLLOW THE LINE INFORMATION AT VEGASINSIDER, YOU ARE COMPLETE MORONS.

                                ONCE AGAIN - PAGES RUN BY THE SPORTSBOOKS GIVING BAD INFORMATION SO THAT IDIOTS GO BET BASED ON BAD INFO.

                                PITT BTW WINS THIS GAME OUTRIGHT.
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                                • Vin_vermillion
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 01-24-11
                                  • 1537

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by texhooper
                                  wynn was just off, or vegasinsider isn't providing correct information. line at vegas and offshores has been roughly usf -2/-3 at any given point since it came out. wynn wasn't even one of the first casinos to put a line out.

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                                  • silkydiamonds
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 09-21-11
                                    • 8

                                    #18
                                    For the reading challenged, please have someone help u out here mmmkay......

                                    From Beyond The Bets a HIGHLY respected sports gaming blogger:



                                    As conference play kicks into full gear, the Wynn, as usual, was the first Vegas sportsbook to release its college football Week 5 lines Sunday afternoon. There’s already been some fairly substantial movement.
                                    Among the “what were they thinking” lines:

                                    South Florida moved from a 3-point underdog to a 2-point favorite in a Thursday night game at Pittsburgh, and it will only continue to move in favor of the Bulls. The Panthers are 1-3 ATS this season and are coming off their first ATS win of the year in a 15-12 loss to Notre Dame.

                                    Another big line move came in the Hawaii-Louisiana Tech game, which opened Hawaii -1.5. It’s now Louisiana Tech -4, as Hawaii is one of the toughest teams to project so far this season, especially on the road.I’ll have plenty more on all the Week 5 lines throughout the week, but for now take a look at the list below.


                                    And once again I'm gonna suggest if u have twitter, get on and immediately follow @toddfuhrman Caeser's sportsbook mgr and @beyondthebets
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                                    • dozer
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 03-03-10
                                      • 1495

                                      #19
                                      you do realize that nd killed south florida, whereas, n.d. snuck out a win against pitt. i know nd lost, but they killed usf....had over 500 yards of offense....usf aint no #16 team in country. the qb will make mistakes.....pitt finally wins a meaningul game after blowing the iowa lead and nd game.

                                      btw, i live in pittsburgh, hate pitt, but the line tells me im probably right.
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                                      • Betn247
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 12-24-10
                                        • 622

                                        #20
                                        I dont see why everyone hangs on the USF ND game it was a stupid game that was started and stopped twice i believe......very hard to get any kind of real groove going. USF's D will be the key here, I think they are good enough to force Pitt into some INT's and make them totally one dimentional
                                        27-17 USF
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                                        • Betn247
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 12-24-10
                                          • 622

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by dozer
                                          you do realize that nd killed south florida, whereas, n.d. snuck out a win against pitt. i know nd lost, but they killed usf....had over 500 yards of offense....usf aint no #16 team in country. the qb will make mistakes.....pitt finally wins a meaningul game after blowing the iowa lead and nd game. btw, i live in pittsburgh, hate pitt, but the line tells me im probably right.

                                          Thats the problem with Pitt they dont win Meaningful games and blow leads
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                                          • Believeland
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 11-08-10
                                            • 923

                                            #22
                                            the fact is Good teams find ways to win even when they are getting "dominated" bad teams find ways to lose... I live in cleveland, I've watched numerous times my Browns blow it on stupid penalties miss tackles and lose games where the completely dominate the TOP, turnover battle etc... So once again comparing how team A played against team C(ND) to how Team B played against Team C(ND) is just stupid and meaningless.
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                                            • dozer
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                                              • 03-03-10
                                              • 1495

                                              #23
                                              usf has played retards all year outside of n.d.

                                              just sayin the only good team they played they were dominated by.....from the first play to the last. nd should have won that game by 20. should could would have i know, but really thats all we have to go on with usf. u cant judge them against horrid ass small schools.
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                                              • Jive
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 02-10-10
                                                • 1405

                                                #24
                                                My play was as much against Pitt as it was pro USF. I agree with the assertion that USF is not a top 20 team but I am betting they are good enough to handle Pitt. I don't usually go against unranked teams playing a nationally televised weeknight home game against ranked teams but I'm making an exception in this one.
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                                                • Believeland
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 11-08-10
                                                  • 923

                                                  #25
                                                  Dozer you try so hard too look sharp its ridiculous.You might be right with your pitt pick for once, but saying Pitt played some tough unreal schedule is a Joke Maine Buffalo and IOWA arent some great football teams combined record of the 4 teams they have played is what 8-7? Saying a Pitt team is the better play because USF was dominated in their game against ND the FIRST week of the season is just stupid and a game in which they won.
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                                                  • mangina11
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 02-01-10
                                                    • 397

                                                    #26
                                                    It's not possible to "dominate" a team and lose the game. You can out play someone and lose, but dominate????cmonnnnn mannnnnnn, special teams accounts for almost 20% of the plays in a game
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                                                    • leetreaper
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 10-23-10
                                                      • 34841

                                                      #27
                                                      pit wins nough said...squares even out the bookies...if somehow pit choke, squares happy , diss sharps, lose 2x money next bet and still be broke, life is easy , everybody's happy...
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                                                      • Flight
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                                                        • 01-28-09
                                                        • 1979

                                                        #28
                                                        USF +3 was barely available. Hope you got that number.

                                                        I have USF -2.5 (-115). Good luck to USF backers.
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                                                        • Believeland
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 11-08-10
                                                          • 923

                                                          #29
                                                          I would love to see leetreepers bet history screenshot guy is so sharp he doesnt lose, he can't pick a loser it just isn't possible hes made millions in just two days guys follow every word he says... He hasn't watched a quarter of either team but gets drilled with well it's a home dog on a Thursday night conference game so that must mean the home dog covers!
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                                                          • leetreaper
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 10-23-10
                                                            • 34841

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Believeland
                                                            I would love to see leetreepers bet history screenshot guy is so sharp he doesnt lose, he can't pick a loser it just isn't possible hes made millions in just two days guys follow every word he says... He hasn't watched a quarter of either team but gets drilled with well it's a home dog on a Thursday night conference game so that must mean the home dog covers!
                                                            thats exactly what it means kid...
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                                                            • dozer
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                                                              • 03-03-10
                                                              • 1495

                                                              #31
                                                              im convinced, not only am i the best here, im the smartest too.
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                                                              • Blazermaniac
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 10-30-08
                                                                • 556

                                                                #32
                                                                For those of you that like this game and must play....don't forget last Friday's. C Fl couldn't do anything. BYU wasn't any better. But what came through???
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                                                                • silkydiamonds
                                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                                  • 09-21-11
                                                                  • 8

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Something to consider...............


                                                                  Skip Holtz vs Todd Graham head to head:

                                                                  2-0 Skip Holtz


                                                                  Holtz has won the 2 meetings: 71-41 combined score, BOTH @ Tulsa, 1 a C-USA champ game (2008 & 2009)


                                                                  TOTALLY different squads and talent levels now, but what can be gleaned is that Holtz has defended Graham's offense well. Graham's D vs Holtz O.............not so much
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                                                                  • silkydiamonds
                                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                                    • 09-21-11
                                                                    • 8

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Missed that Graham beat Holtz at Rice 18-17 in 2006...........So 2-1, combined score 78-59
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                                                                    • Ras1112
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 09-04-09
                                                                      • 241

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I was thinking Pitt all the way, now with line in favor might take a shot
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