ACC Fans, I Need Opinions on GaTech/North Carolina

[brahmabull117]

is north carolina as terrible as they have looked so far (barely beating 3 really bad teams) and is GAtech as good as they have looked so far (annihilating 3 terrible teams)???




GAtech beat this team by 6 points last year on the road and the 2011 GTech seems to be way way more efficient on offense with Tevin Washington at quarterback (who is a much better QB throwing the rock than Joshua Nesbitt last year)



It safe to assume GAtech wins this by at least a couple touchdowns?? This just seems like a giant mismatch on paper

[JMUplayer]

UNC plays ugly and makes other teams play that way...think LSU

[broadway6]

Ga Tech. Ga Tech has been able to beat UNC the past two years when UNC's D was much better. This UNC D is not near as good and Ga Tech's offense seems to have gotten better since they pass the ball now.

[BiffTFinancial]

Over

[broadway6]

Over

that's the best play

[brahmabull117]

Ga Tech. Ga Tech has been able to beat UNC the past two years when UNC's D was much better. This UNC D is not near as good and Ga Tech's offense seems to have gotten better since they pass the ball now.

absolutely, I think Gtech is massively underrated by Vegas




decent defense, best run game in the country and a very solid passing game now (Washington's QB efficiency is astronomical)

[brahmabull117]

bump

[TPowell]

no way GT is this good I dont think? 10 points is too many I think. Of course, I thought GT would have a down year this year so what do I know?

[brahmabull117]

no way GT is this good I dont think? 10 points is too many I think. Of course, I thought GT would have a down year this year so what do I know?

the line is only 6.5 I believe



and a lot of people thought Gtech would have a down year. The difference has been Tevin Washington. He's a vastly superior replacement to joshua nesbitt (not quite as good of a runner, but a 50 times better passer)



the fact that Gtech can pass the ball now for huge gains makes it very difficult to put 9 guys in the box. Washington throwing the ball deep to guys like Stephen Hill is a deadly threat

[TPowell]

but will these deep passes be avaliable when they step up competition wise? Those long gainers won't come near as frequently in ACC play I dont think and 7 makes more sense, didnt have the # in front of me

[brahmabull117]

any more opinions??


I'm just not too familiar with UNC

[brahmabull117]

but will these deep passes be avaliable when they step up competition wise? Those long gainers won't come near as frequently in ACC play I dont think and 7 makes more sense, didnt have the # in front of me

I think so

[Mr. Doughnut]

I'm with ya on Tech. Greatly underrated. Love Washington as a play maker PASSING, as well as running. Hill is a legit threat down field. Like 'em here a lot.

[Noles19]

GT is always a hard team to cap. Their offense can score insane amounts of points very quickly, or not at all. I like UNC here, but I always hate betting against GT.

[brahmabull117]

GT is always a hard team to cap. Their offense can score insane amounts of points very quickly, or not at all. I like UNC here, but I always hate betting against GT.

spread or straight up??

[BiffTFinancial]

over

[towerosauer]

The only thing is that GT struggles against teams with really good defensive lines (orange bowl against Iowa) and that being said UNC has a lot of talent on that line. That being said I like GT and the under.

[brahmabull117]

The only thing is that GT struggles against teams with really good defensive lines (orange bowl against Iowa) and that being said UNC has a lot of talent on that line. That being said I like GT and the under.

UNC has had a lot of pro talent on their d line over the years and they have still gotten destroyed by Gtech on the run game (Gtech has averaged around 300-400 yards a game rushing the last couple of matchups)



I think the key in this one will be the pass game. If washington can keep UNC honest by throwing the ball efficiently 10-15 times, then UNC will get shredded in the run game

[broadway6]

i don't think GA Tech's passing game will be the reason they win or lose the game. Last year UNC had 6 or 7 players that went in the top 3 rounds of the nfl draft. GA Tech scored 30 on them and that was at Chapel Hill. Unc struggles with the option game. Unc does young qb that's playing well, but they haven't played anyone like GT and won't play again like them again for for the rest of the year.

[suicidekings]

The problem I have with this game is that having played West Carolina, Kansas, and Middle Tennessee, GT has quite literally been playing the bottom of the barrel teams (average FCS team, Worst in the Big 12, middle range team in the Sunbelt with awful defense) so their offensive output has been inflated. North Carolina has played a slightly tougher schedule so far, and also features a pretty decent defense against the run, so you're betting that Georgia Tech's ground game can break through the UNC defense early and often. I'm not convinced that they can do this.

Aside from that, I think the -6.5 is a steep line for this game. It might cover, but you'd be betting into a bad line. I'd say no-play.

[brahmabull117]

The problem I have with this game is that having played West Carolina, Kansas, and Middle Tennessee, GT has quite literally been playing the bottom of the barrel teams (average FCS team, Worst in the Big 12, middle range team in the Sunbelt with awful defense) so their offensive output has been inflated. North Carolina has played a slightly tougher schedule so far, and also features a pretty decent defense against the run, so you're betting that Georgia Tech's ground game can break through the UNC defense early and often. I'm not convinced that they can do this. Aside from that, I think the -6.5 is a steep line for this game. It might cover, but you'd be betting into a bad line. I'd say no-play.

look at their previous matchups though. UNC has always struggled with Gtech's triple option (which is why they have lost 10 of 12 against Gtech), and this is the best version of the georgia tech offensive system ever (mainly because they keep defenses honest with a much more efficient passing game)



As far as UNC goes, I just don't know how good this team is. They have a lot of talent but they have played terrible so far against 3 very bad teams that they should have destroyed (and have won by an average of about 14 points). I also believe their QB has thrown 4 picks already

[tarheelfan72]

UNC did not "barely beat" 3 bad teams. Granted I would say all three of their opponents have been bad. They barely beat one of them and the other two games were never close. They were up 28-10 on UVA in the 4th and UVA scored the last touchdown of the game with 5 minutes left.

UNC did barely beat Rutgers and that was indeed a nail biter, but I will take a win in any game where we lose the turnover battle 5-0. It is very rare that any team wins turning the ball over five times to their opponents zero. FWIW UNC looked like a vastly superior team when not making bonehead turnovers.

Our QB is quite talented, completing over 80% of his passes so far on 70 attempts. He is also inexperienced and his passes never seem to touch the ground, literally, one team or the other catches it but he only has 4 interceptions in the first 3 games. We have a lot of weapons on offense and Dwight Jones can take over a game.

We have the studs up front to stop their gimmick offense and I can guarantee you UNCs front 7 are a few steps quicker than Western Carolina, Middle Tennesee or Kansas. But IMO any time you are playing a gimmick offense it's very hard to predict because a lot of it comes down what the defensive players and coaches have between their ears and nobody knows that yet. We will get our points and I suspect they will get theirs and the game will probably come down to whether GT throws a few pitches to nobody that get returned for TDs against a real defense. Objectively if I was forced to bet I would bet on Tech but in 2008 we had their gimmick figured out and they only scored 7 on us, and Ga. tech was pretty good that year going 9-4 and Paul Johnson ACC coach of the year.

[brahmabull117]

UNC did not "barely beat" 3 bad teams. Granted I would say all three of their opponents have been bad. They barely beat one of them and the other two games were never close. They were up 28-10 on UVA in the 4th and UVA scored the last touchdown of the game with 5 minutes left. UNC did barely beat Rutgers and that was indeed a nail biter, but I will take a win in any game where we lose the turnover battle 5-0. It is very rare that any team wins turning the ball over five times to their opponents zero. FWIW UNC looked like a vastly superior team when not making bonehead turnovers. Our QB is quite talented, completing over 80% of his passes so far on 70 attempts. He is also inexperienced and his passes never seem to touch the ground, literally, one team or the other catches it but he only has 4 interceptions in the first 3 games. We have a lot of weapons on offense and Dwight Jones can take over a game. We have the studs up front to stop their gimmick offense and I can guarantee you UNCs front 7 are a few steps quicker than Western Carolina, Middle Tennesee or Kansas. But IMO any time you are playing a gimmick offense it's very hard to predict because a lot of it comes down what the defensive players and coaches have between their ears and nobody knows that yet. We will get our points and I suspect they will get theirs and the game will probably come down to whether GT throws a few pitches to nobody that get returned for TDs against a real defense. Objectively if I was forced to bet I would bet on Tech but in 2008 we had their gimmick figured out and they only scored 7 on us, and Ga. tech was pretty good that year going 9-4 and Paul Johnson ACC coach of the year.

you gotta admit your team has had more talented guys on your front 7 in the past and still got gashed by GATech's triple option


30-24 loss last year in north carolina where Gatech had what?? 370 rush yards???

[tarheelfan72]

UNC had 5 defensive players taken in the draft last year. 3 of them did not play against Ga. Tech. including first and second rounders Marvin Austin and Robert Quinn who were suspended for the entire season. In fact, at least half of our starting defense was suspended last year against Ga. Tech. It was the second game of the season and we had 11 starters out due to NCAA investigation.

ETA: I just checked, UNC did have 6 of 11 defensive starters out against Tech last year. 370 rush yards by GT still impressive, but you also gotta look at the fact they only had 70 pass yards.

i don't think GA Tech's passing game will be the reason they win or lose the game. Last year UNC had 6 or 7 players that went in the top 3 rounds of the nfl draft. GA Tech scored 30 on them and that was at Chapel Hill. Unc struggles with the option game. Unc does young qb that's playing well, but they haven't played anyone like GT and won't play again like them again for for the rest of the year.

[takzilla]

I go to tech. WE WILL COVER THIS SPREAD. take what you want, but I'm on this LARGE. easy money. this game is way too important for our program. the option will cover -6.5 no problem. did anybody watch what we did to kansas last week? how can you not love us this year?

[tarheelfan72]

Did you watch what Carl Torbush did to you last year when Kansas beat you? Well he retired in the off season. For those of you who don't know who that is, it's UNC's former head coach, and Kansas defensive coordinator last year. Basically, Ga. Tech rolled a new DC who had never seen their gimmicks.

P.S. - We have 6 NFL players in the front 7, and none of them are suspended this time.

P.S.S. - Kansas was 3-9 last year, but beat the gimmick offense.

I go to tech. WE WILL COVER THIS SPREAD. take what you want, but I'm on this LARGE. easy money. this game is way too important for our program. the option will cover -6.5 no problem. did anybody watch what we did to kansas last week? how can you not love us this year?

[brahmabull117]

but you also gotta look at the fact they only had 70 pass yards.

yea but look at Tevin Washington's passing numbers this year compared to nesbitt's numbers last year



Washington is a vastly superior QB to Nesbitt

[tarheelfan72]

PJ and the triple option have only been at Ga. Tech 5 years so a 12 year history is pretty meaningless.


[quote=brahmabull117;11552249]look at their previous matchups though. UNC has always struggled with Gtech's triple option (which is why they have lost 10 of 12 against Gtech), and this is the best version of the georgia tech offensive system ever (mainly because they keep defenses honest with a much more efficient passing game)

[tarheelfan72]

He looked spectacular against Western Carolina and Middle Tennessee State. His four completions out of seven for 160 yards were even impressive against Kansas.

yea but look at Tevin Washington's passing numbers this year compared to nesbitt's numbers last year



Washington is a vastly superior QB to Nesbitt

[brahmabull117]

He looked spectacular against Western Carolina and Middle Tennessee State. His four completions out of seven for 160 yards were even impressive against Kansas.

I think you will see a score of about 42-28 in this one



Georgia Tech just has too much offensive firepower to be stopped

[tarheelfan72]

A pop gun looks pretty powerful when it's up against a tin can.

I think you will see a score of about 42-28 in this one



Georgia Tech just has too much offensive firepower to be stopped

[brahmabull117]

A pop gun looks pretty powerful when it's up against a tin can.

Georgia tech beat UNC 24-7 2 years ago (GTech had 300+ rush yards) and I remember you guys having a ton of talent on that team

[Dirty D]

Brahma... Dude... These types of threads will give you more of the info you are looking for if you quit stepping in after every reply. Start the thread for information on the game you want and collect information as you need to cap the game. You obviously have GTECH on your mind for this bet as do I so just bet it and be happy when it cashes.

[tarheelfan72]

They run the ball almost EVERY play. It's a triple option. They threw the ball SEVEN TIMES total against Kansas. They are going to get their rush yards. Losing 24-7 and 30-24 in the last two years tells me we probably need to score some points to win this game. But I do not anticipate a problem putting up some points against this defense. Cream puffs are scoring against their defense.

LOL at Ga. Tech being hailed as some offensive powerhouse. They run a gimmick offense, and their first three games they had both had superior athletes, and were playing coaches who couldn't figure out how to stop their gimmick. They ran wild. And they ran it up. You can't call of the dogs when your offense is based on trickery and the other side stays tricked the whole game. What are you going to do, start passing the ball every play because the other team can't stop your run?

Man I am not saying they will not cover but there's a reason it's not the slam dunk the public thinks it is, and it is a huge public play. There is absolutely no way this is not a competitive game. Flip your coin and hope you're right.

[Dirty D]

And what the heck is up with your avatar? Seriously.